Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 28/5/08 13:41, Alasdair King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Alasdair Big thanks for this - really interesting and helpful. One or 2 comments inline Hi Michael, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply any mendacity on your part. I'm fully appreciative and admiring of the BBC's long-term

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-28 Thread Michael Smethurst
Thanks benjamin I had a quiet day lined up. Looks like I'll be subscribing to mailing list now ;-) On 24/5/08 12:42, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frances Berriman wrote: I realise I mentioned this URL in the last thread I was active on, but I wanted to bring this to the

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-28 Thread Alasdair King
Hi Michael, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply any mendacity on your part. I'm fully appreciative and admiring of the BBC's long-term support for accessibility, including BETSIE, informal support for my BBC-using programs, and use of accessibility features like skiplinks. That said, I recognise

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-27 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 22/5/08 19:04, Alasdair King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Smethurst wrote: Of 4 users 2 had abbreviation expansion turned on. Ah, but what was your sample group? Were they, by any chance, highly-able professionals, probably with a business interest in web design and

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-22 Thread Frances Berriman
On 21/05/2008, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried something like this: abbr class=dtstart title=2008-05-15T19:30:00+01:00 span title=Seven Thirty19:30/span /abbr Hi Martin, It's not so much about what to try as the BBC using the hCalendar on a new, very large site

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-22 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 10:26 +0100, Frances Berriman wrote: On 21/05/2008, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried something like this: abbr class=dtstart title=2008-05-15T19:30:00+01:00 span title=Seven Thirty19:30/span /abbr Hi Martin, It's not so much about

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On [May 22], at [ May 22] 7:46 , Martin McEvoy wrote: Hmm It seems to me that the microformats community seems to find it difficult to resolve the abbr design issue[1], its been over a year now? This is difficult to solve because we lack the resources to do testing with screen reader

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-22 Thread Frances Berriman
On 22/05/2008, Alasdair King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been some testing, that will hopefully be published soon, but it's not definitive (since there's not much data on how most SR users have their setups). That's all :) Sorry, I meant of course I infer that they've tested the

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-22 Thread Ben Ward
On 22 May 2008, at 17:06, Alasdair King wrote: From the BBC page linked: We've looked at quite a few screen readers out of the box and by default they don't expand abbreviation elements so the user still hears 19:30 not 2008-05-15T19:30:00+01:00. I infer that they've tested the screenreaders,

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-22 Thread Alasdair King
Michael Smethurst wrote: Of 4 users 2 had abbreviation expansion turned on. Ah, but what was your sample group? Were they, by any chance, highly-able professionals, probably with a business interest in web design and accessibility? Or were they little old ladies using Thunder or NVDA because

Re: [uf-discuss] Request for help from screen reader users from the BBC

2008-05-21 Thread Martin McEvoy
Hi Frances On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 14:12 +0100, Frances Berriman wrote: Hi everyone, I realise I mentioned this URL in the last thread I was active on, but I wanted to bring this to the attention to anyone not following that thread.