On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:59:27PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about
our software, saying it is non-free, when you are doing exactly the same
thing yourself.
Please see
Richard Stallman wrote:
recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the
GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the
BSD community is being petty to make an issue out of it.
I don't think it is wrong in general to relicense code from BSD to
GPL. However,
On Dec 13, 2007 5:52 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Freedom means having control of your own life; Freedom of choice is
a partly accurate and partly misleading way to describe that, and
taking that expression too literally leads to mistaken conclusions.
Thus, I say I advocate
On 12/13/07, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please see
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html
And
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
Not to mention:
http://directory.fsf.org/project/reactOS/ - ReactOS is a project to
create a free operating system
On Dec 13, 2007 1:05 PM, Raimo Niskanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 01:07:17PM +, Jonathan Thornburg wrote:
First, I'd like to thank those who provided useful responces to my
query (which started this thread), both on- and off-list. I had missed
the announcement
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:30:28 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
Richard,
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
(while others promise the moon, we deliver.)
- Marc
Ooooh! That one is
This is what I've learned - and how my perspective has changed - In
following this thread, over the last two days:
- Stallman cares more about appearances and outward responses than actions
- Stallman is a hypocrite, circles himself within his words, and
attempts to confuse others in the
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
And makes it total clear that you are the hypocrite and a liar.
Choice quotes from
Now the answer is...
Stallman, why did you start this thread? It is totaly absurd, it does
not make any sense...
Borja Tarraso
Marc Balmer wrote:
Richard,
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Since both emacs and gcc contain code inside them which permit them to
compile and run on commercial operating systems which are non-free,
you are a slimy hypocrite.
Thus, we should not steer people towards non-free software.
Both those software
On 12 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
It takes me 3 or 4 startx's before I get a KDE screen that looks
normal. When it looks bad, the terminal background is black and other
contrast problems exist. Other times it simply locks up in the middle
of starting up.
Has any one else had
On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
...
Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those
non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy,
and thus contradicts the idea that software should be free.
...
This philosophy disturbs me, and
Borja Tarraso wrote:
Stallman, why did you start this thread? It is totaly absurd, it does
not make any sense...
Sounds like the first three lines for Ty's next song!
Stallman, why did you start this thread?
It is totaly absurd,
It does not make any sense
OpenBSD is as free as the wind
On 12/13/07, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
If such an issue arises for a GNU package, and people think it is not
doing the most useful thing, I will look at the issue and then if
necessary discuss it with the
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:09:21PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
Emacs *binaries* for *Windows*
Supplied right by Richard's http and ftp mirrors.
Yes, Emacs for people who aren't as fortunate as you or I am.
Richard, I may be unfriendly, but you are a lying hypocritical
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
[...]
Does that make it non-free?
Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those
non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy,
and thus contradicts the idea that software should be
Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call OpenBSD hypocritical:
say no to blobs (it's even on the nvidia-wallpaper!) but say yes to
libflashplayer.so (which is of course secure because it's obscure, but
more than that it's a necessity for so many users which makes it
ethical to use it
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hi,
This is what I felt; All comments are welcome.
If both parties were at fault for somehow giving the user the wrong
idea that flash player is great on BSD OR windows is great coz it runs
emacs, is this the right way to settle it?
The honest way
On Dec 13, 2007 12:30 PM, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But - seriously, as a project, do we need the validation from
FSF/Richard?
This is a topic I would like covered. If we were to decide to adhere to
Richard's requirements for inclusion on his free software list, what are the
benefits,
2007/12/13, Gregg Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 12/13/07, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please see
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html
And
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
Not to mention:
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 06:56:57PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
| I don't recommend Torvalds' version of Linux. The versions of Linux
| in Ututo and gNewSense, which I recommend, do not have the blobs.
Interesting, these linux distributions. They seem to be pretty new,
what did you recommend
On Dec 13, 2007 11:59 AM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about
our software, saying it is non-free, when you are doing exactly the same
thing yourself.
Please see
Nick Guenther wrote:
On 12/10/07, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Nick, sorry to go against you, but do take a look at;
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/gnu/usr.bin/sudo/
It's been eliminated since there's a replacement by Todd under a
non-GNU license.
~Mayuresh
Crazy,
perhaps using pcc as a gcc replacement in openbsd doesn't settle well
with rms and this is all a smokescreen?
this was someone else's suggestion and they will remain unnamed.
--
critical patches, and those should be pulled into 4.2-stable.
Unfortunately, it isn't that easy. Some updates imply updates of
depending ports (e.g. poppler and evince), which may imply further
updates of dependencies. So you'll end up with -current -- more or
less, including more
Hello,
I've just installed OpenBSD current on an Intel DQ35MP motherboard with a Quad
processor, this is the
dmesg log. Some devices are not recognized (PCI slot, ethernet, etc)
OpenBSD 4.2-current (GENERIC) #558: Tue Nov 20 10:36:15 MST 2007
[EMAIL
Someone already mentioned Hitler.
Can we let this thread die.
--- Marina Brown
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:15:08 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
And makes it
On Dec 13, 2007 9:25 PM, Marcos Laufer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I've just installed OpenBSD current on an Intel DQ35MP motherboard with a Quad
processor, this is the
dmesg log. Some devices are not recognized (PCI slot, ethernet, etc)
boot -c to go in UKC or config -ef /bsd and use
On Dec 13, 2007 10:58 AM, Tom Rosso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good people of MISC land, could we please drop this thread, its lasted
way longer than really needed.
I'm enjoying watching RMS struggle and fail to make any
On 13/12/2007, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/10/07, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Nick, sorry to go against you, but do take a look at;
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/gnu/usr.bin/sudo/
It's been eliminated since there's a replacement by Todd
snip
If OpenBSD's port tree would be stated to contain only (pointers to) free
software, that is the current port tree would be split into a free port
tree in the distribution and a non-free tree to download from some
other site ready to drop into the free port tree. Then the distribution
Jason Beaudoin wrote:
On Dec 13, 2007 1:05 PM, Raimo Niskanen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 01:07:17PM +, Jonathan Thornburg wrote:
First, I'd like to thank those who provided useful responces to my
query (which started this thread), both on- and off-list.
I
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:50:39PM -0700, Tom Rosso wrote:
On Dec 13, 2007 12:30 PM, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But - seriously, as a project, do we need the validation from
FSF/Richard?
This is a topic I would like covered. If we were to decide to adhere to
Richard's requirements
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:59:08PM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Richard Stallman wrote:
recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the
GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the
BSD community is being petty to make an issue out of it.
I don't think
Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Bob Beck wrote:
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
for everything.
I love this
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:02:45 +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call OpenBSD hypocritical:
say no to blobs (it's even on the nvidia-wallpaper!) but say yes to
libflashplayer.so (which is of course secure because it's obscure, but
more than that it's a
[troll]
WARNING: Thread Parody.
Original: Keanu Sausage
skit from the episode Operation: Rich in Spirit
Operation: Rich in Spirit is the sevententh episode of
season one of the television comedy series Robot Chicken.
To see the original, simply google for
robot chicken keanu and you will find
On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
And makes it total
Richard, I may be unfriendly, but you are a lying hypocritical
asshole.
this pretty much sums up everything. can we all stop now? (-:
aaron.glenn
Nah, it's too much fun... seriously though, even though ultimately
pointless, I think it's a worthy public debate. Let him expound his
$ uname -a
OpenBSD moobile.peereboom.us 4.2 GENERIC#7 i386
$ locate libflashplayer.so
$
what the fuck are you talking about?
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
If such an issue arises for a GNU package, and people think it is not
doing the most useful thing, I will look at the issue and then if
necessary discuss it with the developers.
I forgot, dictator do create rules for others to
Also had about 10 HP 2015s that were working FINE...
...until they upgraded their server to the most recent Redhat/Linux kernel.
Forgive me for not knowing (caring) about which version, but the basics are
that a Redhat upgrade on the server end left me with 10 useless printers
that were
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 05:59:21PM -0800, Jake Conk wrote:
Anyways I don't want to get caught up in that but thanks for your help
Gilbert, it solved my problem :) You wouldn't happen to know what is
the equivalent to this for linux machines would you?
Here's my /etc/fstab entry from my
Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:59:08PM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Richard Stallman wrote:
recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the
GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the
BSD community is being petty to make an issue
Nick Holland wrote:
Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Bob Beck wrote:
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
for
* Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-14 05:02:45]:
Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call OpenBSD hypocritical:
say no to blobs (it's even on the nvidia-wallpaper!) but say yes to
libflashplayer.so (which is of course secure because it's obscure, but
more than that it's a
On 13-Dec-07, at 11:11 AM, Bob Beck wrote:
If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill,
would
like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
software should help her to make the most
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
Richard would surely approve of.
Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
I have no doubt that in some context Richard is
When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying if you're not a
skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care.
Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
to allow specialists to provide good services to non-specialists (or
at least
On 13-Dec-07, at 10:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying if you're not a
skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care.
Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
to allow specialists to provide good
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 05:06:13PM +, Matthew Szudzik wrote:
: I recently purchased an HP LaserJet P2015 printer, and I wanted to warn
: other users not to make the same mistake. The printer crashes
: intermittently while trying to print PostScript files with lpd.
I've had a p2015dn since
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
Richard would surely approve of.
Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
I have no doubt that in some context
On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
If you are unwilling to adopt policies consistent with his,
accept that you are not getting his endorsement and shut this
thread
down.
Nobody here asked for or WANTS his endorsement. He started the
thread. We could give a shit
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:40:43AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree easy to use and sample are not
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:22:07PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying if you're not a
skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care.
Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
to allow
On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
If you are unwilling to adopt policies consistent with his,
accept that you are not getting his endorsement and shut this
thread
down.
Nobody here asked for or WANTS his endorsement. He started the
thread. We could
David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
Richard would surely approve of.
Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
I have no doubt
Hi.
Are there any tools that can be installed using packages or ports for
converting docbook xml files into PDF?
Normally I would use FOP, but I would pref. not having to install that
from source.
Best regards.
Rico.
ropers wrote:
This site uses ABLOBE Flush*, but it's TEH FUNNAY:
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GBword1=OpenBSDword2=Richard+Stallman
*) But it's also lynx(1) compatible: Follow the IFRAME: content link
to see the gist of things. In the Flush version there's also a winning
stick
David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
Richard would surely approve of.
Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
I
This site uses ABLOBE Flush*, but it's TEH FUNNAY:
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GBword1=OpenBSDword2=Richard+Stallman
*) But it's also lynx(1) compatible: Follow the IFRAME: content link
to see the gist of things. In the Flush version there's also a winning
stick figure knocking the
For kicks, I headed over to gnewsense.org.
I really encourage people to check out the forums there (
http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ForumMain/ForumMain ) and see the kinds of
quality discussions going on there:
http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ForumMain/GNewSenseIsUgly
On Dec 14, 2007 9:23 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Securing the RSM seal of approval may or may not appeal to you.
OpenBSD does not, pardon the french, give a shit about RMS' seal of approval.
But that still begs the question of OpenBSD's stance on non-free
software.
On 12/13/07, Jeremy Huiskamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve
When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying if you're not a
skilled medical practitioner,
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:21:02 +0100
Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Never mind! I found htmldoc which converts HTML into PDF very nicely.
So Docbook - HTML -PDF.
It does the job and without Java like FOP needs!
Hi.
Are there any tools that can be installed using packages or ports for
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26:25PM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
:
It contains URL's to non-free software, and free Makefiles that
knows how to build that non-free software. But the entire ports
tree
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26:25PM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
:
It contains URL's to non-free software, and free Makefiles that
knows how to build that non-free software. But the entire ports
tree has no
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