Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Artur Grabowski
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:39 PM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: Marco, instead of complaining about GNU, GPL, FSF, Linux, etc. Why don't you write some code instead? I know it's a strange concept. Hehehe. A funny hippie. //art

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Scott McEachern
On 04/15/10 01:39, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: Fascinating. I predicted Peereboom would post the same old rant. My fix has nothing to do with childish attitude or being more nerdy than you. It has everything do with GNU's twisted definition of freedom. Yet, that's YOUR

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Tomas Bodzar
Eh? Was it irony? I suppose that not and you need to learn A LOT about who is Marco ;-) On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:39 PM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: Marco, instead of complaining about GNU, GPL, FSF, Linux, etc. Why don't you write some code instead? I know it's a

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
Eh? Was it irony? I suppose that not and you need to learn A LOT about who is Marco ;-) Search for Strange concept on marc.info.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
Then apply some logical thinking yourself, and quit drinking Stallman's kool-aid. Funny. How many restrictions are in the BSD and ISC licenses? For all intents and purposes, one: keep the copyright message intact. Otherwise, *free* to do with as you please. That's a fact.

Re: isakmpd: tiny patch

2010-04-15 Thread Mark Lumsden
This has been committed. Thanks. -mark lum@ === Hello, while playing with isakmpd, I found that it would be nice to have a complement for the isakmpd: exiting log entry. Index: isakmpd.c

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Tomas Bodzar
http://marc.info/?w=2r=1s=%22Strange+concept%22q=t and? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:37 AM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: Eh? Was it irony? I suppose that not and you need to learn A LOT about who is Marco ;-) Search for Strange concept on marc.info.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Michal
On 14/04/2010 19:27, J Sisson wrote: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:38:56PM -0500, Ron McDowell wrote: Yup, nowhere in that goals page does it say anything about don't be rude to the casual users. Maybe that is why

Финансовый анализ деятельности организации

2010-04-15 Thread 29-30 апреля | Москва - финансовым и коммерческим директорам
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Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread David Coppa
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: The fact that I'm not a developer does not means I should remain in silence. The general approach there has always been: Shut up and hack! -dav

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 04:35:36AM -0300, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: That's because I don't yell GPL is not free while I'm using GPL. what's wrong with that? if I use Windows and yell Windows is not free, would you think the same? I'm curious, what freedom do you think the GPL brings to

Re: Testing bigmem properly on amd64?

2010-04-15 Thread Henning Brauer
* Peter syllops...@syllopsium.com [2010-04-15 03:27]: I know bigmem is still in a state of flux and can be enabled by editing machdep.c and compiling a custom kernel. What's the best way to test and report this? none. bigmem is known broken, otherwise it would be enabled by default. and tests

Re: Testing bigmem properly on amd64?

2010-04-15 Thread Peter Kay (Syllopsium)
From: Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de * Peter syllops...@syllopsium.com [2010-04-15 03:27]: I know bigmem is still in a state of flux and can be enabled by editing machdep.c and compiling a custom kernel. What's the best way to test and report this? none. bigmem is known broken, otherwise

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread trustlevel-two
If you define freedom by the number of restrictions, then the only free license would be no license at all. Public domain. No copyright. Thus no restrictions. No ALL CAPs notices. Not even crediting the original developers. So you think that giving people the freedom to know where the code

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Sean Kamath kam...@geekoids.com wrote: On Apr 14, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Ted Roby wrote: I got more help from the first poster who suggested using Circle Mud instead. The problem is, I was quite attached to to this modified Rom code, and perhaps committed the

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread - Tethys
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de wrote: What detail in the original reply Theo sent to the OP (and quoted it later on this list) was rude? The lack of an answer. He could have said Yes. Check your nearest search engine for details. Which would have

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac
longgest useless thread EVER!!! a bit funny, however :D Jason George wrote: Actually two of the top linux kernel developers answered my email directly to them when I had some questions. There was no ridicule or belittling. If so, you got ripped off. You should hear us over beer. Oh,

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 02:39:29AM -0300, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: Fascinating. I predicted Peereboom would post the same old rant. My fix has nothing to do with childish attitude or being more nerdy than you. It has everything do with GNU's twisted definition of freedom.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Eric Furman
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:35 -0300, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: Then apply some logical thinking yourself, and quit drinking Stallman's kool-aid. Funny. He just spoke TRUTH, Your ilk is unfamiliar with that and its concept. How many restrictions are in the BSD

make index fails

2010-04-15 Thread Andreas Gerdd
Hello. 'make index' doesn't work inside /usr/ports after i update the ports. It only works when i remove the entire ports folder and get it again from cvs. # cd /usr/ports # cvs -q -d$CVSROOT up -r OPENBSD_4_6 -Pd M INDEX P www/php5/Makefile.inc P www/php5/distinfo P www/php5/core/pkg/PLIST-main

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Eric Furman
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:38 +0100, - Tethys tet...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de wrote: What detail in the original reply Theo sent to the OP (and quoted it later on this list) was rude? The lack of an answer. He could have said

Cannot send email with thunderbird 3

2010-04-15 Thread chris
I can receive mail but I cannot get it to send email even after fixing all the changes it made to my settings. It changed my outgoing server from its IP address to the host name which will not work. I changed it back to IP address but it still fails to work.I deleted a password, but it won't even

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:49 AM, trustlevel-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: So you think that giving people the freedom to know where the code has come from to allow them to not get conned and not use old, possibly insecure code and giving them the ability to contribute to the original source of the

Re: Cannot send email with thunderbird 3

2010-04-15 Thread LEVAI Daniel
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 04:18:50AM -0700, ch...@bennettconstruction.biz wrote: I can receive mail but I cannot get it to send email even after fixing all the changes it made to my settings. It changed my outgoing server from its IP address to the host name which will not work. I changed it

Re: make index fails

2010-04-15 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 03:04:59PM +0300, Andreas Gerdd wrote: Hello. 'make index' doesn't work inside /usr/ports after i update the ports. It only works when i remove the entire ports folder and get it again from cvs. # cd /usr/ports # cvs -q -d$CVSROOT up -r OPENBSD_4_6 -Pd M INDEX P

4.7 and AR5007

2010-04-15 Thread Laszlo Zsolt Kiss
The new athn driver support the AR5007 chip? Thanks.

Re: relayd redirection (feature request?)

2010-04-15 Thread Michael Lechtermann
Hi, I would like to use relayd to check if squid is up and working. If it is up and works, it should be used as transparent proxy. If squid isn't working properly for whatever reason (or the squid host isn't reachable) I just want to have normal internet access. When the Squid host is

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Donald Allen
[begin quote] On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de wrote: What detail in the original reply Theo sent to the OP (and quoted it later on this list) was rude? The lack of an answer. He could have said Yes. Check your nearest search engine for details. Which

Re: 4.7 and AR5007

2010-04-15 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-04-15, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss lzsk...@gmail.com wrote: The new athn driver support the AR5007 chip? Thanks. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=athn

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Stas Miasnikou
Donald Allen wrote: After getting subjected to some of this nonsense personally, having asked a question on openbsd-tech (and was in the midst of a useful exchange with Bob Beck until it was interrupted out of the blue by someone who apparently enjoys behaving like an unruly 10-year-old; it had

Re: make index fails

2010-04-15 Thread Andreas Gerdd
Thanks for your answer. We change obj to pobj on purposes. obj has some special propertis that WILL throw make. Does this mean doing a 'make index' is not necessary anymore? Best wishes.

Re: make index fails

2010-04-15 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 05:03:43PM +0300, Andreas Gerdd wrote: Thanks for your answer. We change obj to pobj on purposes. obj has some special propertis that WILL throw make. Does this mean doing a 'make index' is not necessary anymore? Best wishes. No, it means that if you do a make

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Chris Dukes
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 05:35:34AM -0600, Ted Roby wrote: Look, You gave no indication if you actually bothered to track down the author or discuss relicensing with the author. Enough people don't think Maybe I should ask the author. You also gave a less than clear indication of I really liked

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Donald Allen
Donald Allen wrote: After getting subjected to some of this nonsense personally, having asked a question on openbsd-tech (and was in the midst of a useful exchange with Bob Beck until it was interrupted out of the blue by someone who apparently enjoys behaving like an unruly 10-year-old; it

Thanks Jacek Artymiak: Book PDF's

2010-04-15 Thread Bill Dunshie
A huge Thanks to Jacek Artymiak for the PDF's of Building Firewalls with OpenBSD and PF, 3rd ed. and The OpenBSD Command-LineCompanion. The wait was worth it !!!

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Chris Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: As for the personal attacks, you can print off this email, fold it until it's all corners, and shove it up your ass. Now that was far longer than your first one-liner smackdown. Good job.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
That's because I don't yell GPL is not free while I'm using GPL. what's wrong with that? if I use Windows and yell Windows is not free, would you think the same? If you were insulting a Windows user, probably. I'm curious, what freedom do you think the GPL brings to those people who use

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Chris Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: You are the one interested in resurrecting this beast. The onus is you to either track down someone with the right to change the license, or else be the point of first blame in seeing if the author will actually

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Brandon LaRocque
For them? Maybe the freedom to give copies to their friends whithout being sued or doing anything illegal. That can easily be applied to any of the free licenses without any other legal obligations.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
Lets try it. 0 X (Y + Z) Y 0 Z 0 ISC = X GPL = X + Y + Z Logical enough for you? If you assume that the definition of freedom is the number of restrictions, then neither ISC nor GPL are free. The only free license would be no license at all. Public domain. Since _my_ definition of

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
For them? Maybe the freedom to give copies to their friends whithout being sued or doing anything illegal. That can easily be applied to any of the free licenses without any other legal obligations. Yes! Because they are all free (in _my_ opinion). I like GPL, ISC, BSD, all of them.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Marco Peereboom
See I told you logic wouldn't work for you. The dictionary definition of freedom is no restrictions therefore more restriction is less free. Not sure how you can argue that. ISC has one restriction, the GPL has numerous therefore less free. Again not sure how this is debatable. If you prefer

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
The dictionary definition of freedom is no restrictions NO RESTRICTIONS May I point out to you that ISC has restrictions. You are contradicting yourself. Logic works the same for everyone, since it's an abstract field, but apparently you did not study it.

Re: Thanks Jacek Artymiak: Book PDF's

2010-04-15 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Bill Dunshie gho...@suddenlink.net wrote: A huge Thanks to Jacek Artymiak for the PDF's of Building Firewalls with OpenBSD and PF, 3rd ed. and The OpenBSD Command-LineCompanion. The wait was worth it !!! Link or didn't happen.

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Henning Brauer
* Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com [2010-04-15 17:53]: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Chris Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: 1. .. either track down someone with the right to change... Been there.. did it...thanks... 2 ... or else be the point of first blame in seeing if... Now

Question regarding MSS

2010-04-15 Thread Matthew Sullenberger
Hello Misc, I am consistently having trouble sending data to one particular host. After quite a lot of troubleshooting and reviewing config on my side, I noticed that during the TCP handshake the host in question was not sending any MSS in its SYN/ACK packet. My OpenBSD box then continues to

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Henry Sieff
I work with a lot of systems integrator types - they deliver finished platforms to run apps we develop on. A lot of familiarity with Solaris and Centos. One day, a couple of load balancers died and one of them needed a quick solution so I tossed them my 4.6 cd and sent them a link to man for

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: Logic works the same for everyone, since it's an abstract field, but apparently you did not study it. It weems that you did not learn it.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:14:56AM -0300, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: The dictionary definition of freedom is no restrictions NO RESTRICTIONS May I point out to you that ISC has restrictions. You are contradicting yourself. The ISC has one restriction and I never claimed otherwise.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
Marco Peereboom wrote: See I told you logic wouldn't work for you. snip Since _my_ definition of freedom for software is different, I reach different conclusions. Right. It didn't.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:02:23AM -0300, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: Lets try it. 0 X (Y + Z) Y 0 Z 0 ISC = X GPL = X + Y + Z Logical enough for you? If you assume that the definition of freedom is the number of restrictions, then neither ISC nor GPL are free.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Igor Sobrado
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:05 AM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: For them? Maybe the freedom to give copies to their friends whithout being sued or doing anything illegal. That can easily be applied to any of the free licenses without any other legal obligations. Yes!

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:02 PM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: Lets try it. 0 X (Y + Z) Y 0 Z 0 ISC = X GPL = X + Y + Z Logical enough for you? If you assume that the definition of freedom is the number of restrictions, then neither ISC nor GPL

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Scott McEachern
On 04/15/10 23:14, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: The dictionary definition of freedom is no restrictions NO RESTRICTIONS May I point out to you that ISC has restrictions. You are contradicting yourself. Logic works the same for everyone, since it's an abstract field, but apparently

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Unangst
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: So how does that work with OpenBSD? How to I introduce code with shady licensing, and take all the brunt of it? I don't suppose you've stopped to ask if the OpenBSD project is at all interested in whatever code you feel like

Re: Question regarding MSS

2010-04-15 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2010-04-15 12:18, Matthew Sullenberger wrote: I understand the host I am trying to communicate with has its own set of issues, but my question to Misc is that I was under the belief that if either side did not explicitly send a MSS during the handshake the required behavior was to default to

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: You do not seem to understand how copyright works. When published, a work is subject to a set of restrictions, laid down by copyright law. A license grants rights (under conditions or restrictions) to the receiver of a

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: So how does that work with OpenBSD? How to I introduce code with shady licensing, and take all the brunt of it? I don't suppose you've stopped to

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Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Chris Dukes
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 05:11:56AM -0400, Zachary Uram wrote: As a long time Linux user I will soon try out OpenBSD, I have been reading the list emails and contacted 1 OpenBSD top person who was very rude. There is some of the RTFM or get lost attitude in Linux, but if a questioner seems

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Darrin Chandler
What if I release my work as Anonymous with no text in regards to licensing? Then nobody knows who owns the code, and lack of license goes to the default case of ALL Rights Reserved. Does anyone wanting to use that work in OpenBSD actually have to track down who Anonymous was? Does the code

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Thomas Pfaff
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:41:35 -0600 Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't think OpenBSD was even interested in such licensing schemes in the Ports tree. There's non-free software in the ports tree.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:55:11AM -0600, Ted Roby wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: You do not seem to understand how copyright works. When published, a work is subject to a set of restrictions, laid down by copyright law. A license grants

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: Yes, it's a tricky question. As for OpenBSD, we do not include anonymous work. A work can be public domain if the copyright expires. In some jurisdictions, a work can be put into the public domain by the author. If a

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:41:35 -0600 Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't think OpenBSD was even interested in such licensing schemes in the Ports tree. There's non-free software in the ports tree. Not in a real sense. The ports tree is a build infrastructure containing

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Johan Beisser
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Pfaff tpf...@tp76.info wrote: There's non-free software in the ports tree. Good thing it's in ports, then. Keeps that shady license where we can see it, and choose to suffer with it or not.

Thunderbird 3 still wont send even after new profile

2010-04-15 Thread chris
I am going to continue this on ports, my mistake earlier I created a new profile, but I still can't get thunderbird 3 to accept my self-signed certificate for sendmail TLS. It asks for me to confirm that the certificate should be used as a permanent exception (just as previous thunderbird did at

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Chris Dukes
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 09:15:39AM -0700, Henry Sieff wrote: I work with a lot of systems integrator types - they deliver finished platforms to run apps we develop on. A lot of familiarity with Solaris and Centos. One day, a couple of load balancers died and one of them needed a quick solution

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Henry Sieff
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Chris Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 09:15:39AM -0700, Henry Sieff wrote: [SNIP] Unfortunately, for many of us the end goal is to get a pile of crap, as dictated by management, working well enough that we get another paycheck.

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.dewrote: find all(!) copyright holders and have them agree to a new license. or don't use that code. There are at least three projects involved here. 1. The Diku project 2. The Merc project 3. The Forsaken Lands project

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
Now this is interesting... Does anything supersede Copyright Law? What if I release my work as Anonymous with no text in regards to licensing? Does anyone wanting to use that work in OpenBSD actually have to track down who Anonymous was? Does the code become useless if its ownership

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
You do not seem to understand how copyright works. When published, a work is subject to a set of restrictions, laid down by copyright law. A license grants rights (under conditions or restrictions) to the receiver of a work. No license means no extra rights, which means the default defined

Re: Question regarding MSS

2010-04-15 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2010-04-15 13:46, Matthew Sullenberger wrote: So would this be possibly a bug in the OpenBSD PMTU implementation (the expected behavior occurs and the connection works normally if I disable PMTU) and if so should I be submitting some kind of official report? Maybe. Use sendbug(1). Simon --

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
I think the best example is Free as in Beer. Which already misses the point. I can brew beer all day. I can keep it to myself. I can also share it. If I share a beer with you, it is free. (I am giving it to you) If you sell it to me it's also free. You are missing the point. If I

Re: Thunderbird 3 still wont send even after new profile

2010-04-15 Thread Chris Bennett
On 04/15/10 12:00, ch...@bennettconstruction.biz wrote: I am going to continue this on ports, my mistake earlier I created a new profile, but I still can't get thunderbird 3 to accept my self-signed certificate for sendmail TLS. It asks for me to confirm that the certificate should be used as a

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:13 AM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: Now this is interesting... Does anything supersede Copyright Law? What if I release my work as Anonymous with no text in regards to licensing? Does anyone wanting to use that work in OpenBSD

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:05 AM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: I think the best example is Free as in Beer. Which already misses the point. That's why the example is so common? It's in quotes because I didn't originate it. I can brew beer all day. I can

Re: softraid performance problem when rebuilding

2010-04-15 Thread Matthew Roberts
Marco Peereboom wrote: First let me defend softraid. The rebuild code is designed to offer maximum data protection. With this is mind certain assumptions were made. Sorry... I haven't stated that I think that data protection is king. Any performance increase that could compromise the disk

Re: Question regarding MSS

2010-04-15 Thread Matthew Sullenberger
(sorry about the long disclaimer in my original email-- I didn't think about the fact that my company automatically appends that; I have signed up with a new account). Simon Perreault wrote: Assuming you meant 536... ...you're right according to RFC 879: Yes, I did indeed mean 536 not 576.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
I don't know for certain, but I believe that in the United States a work whithout copyright notices goes to the public domain after 25 years. I don't know for certain, but I believe you are just making things up as you go along, because you are nothing but a troll.

Re: Question regarding MSS

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Unangst
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Matthew Sullenberger su...@sadburger.com wrote: establish a connection. I don't have another host that doesn't send an MSS to test with, nor am I really sure how I would go about producing one. So would this be possibly a bug in the OpenBSD PMTU implementation

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Unangst
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_copyright_law#Duration_of_copyright On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:13 AM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: Now this is interesting... Does anything supersede Copyright Law? What if I release my work as Anonymous with no text in regards

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_copyright_law#Duration_of_copyright From http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm 1923 through 1977 Published without a copyright notice None. In the public domain due to failure to comply

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Chris Dukes
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:59:57AM -0700, Henry Sieff wrote: Oh, absolutely - hence the proliferation of Linux and Solaris in our solutions - the customer insists on oracle for the back-end db, they get oracle. And as you say, that can be driven by the arbitrary demands of the customer

issues with audio on Apr13 snapshot

2010-04-15 Thread frantisek holop
hi there, with the april 13 snapshot i get fluctuations in the volume level and audible cracks and glitches when have e.g. a browser (opera) and mplayer open. i dont see a patern yet, but for example during watching the movie the volume level keeps changing accompanied by an audible pop. it

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
The ISC has one restriction and I never claimed otherwise. The GPL has MORE restrictions. I am not contradicting myself. You just want to change the dictionary to match your little reality. You are contradicting yourself. On your terms: Axioms: 1 Freedom means no restrictions 2 ISC has

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:20 AM, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: The ISC has one restriction and I never claimed otherwise. The GPL has MORE restrictions. I am not contradicting myself. You just want to change the dictionary to match your little reality. You are

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Marco Peereboom
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you love to hear yourself speak, eh? On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 05:20:45AM -0300, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: The ISC has one restriction and I never claimed otherwise. The GPL has MORE

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Brad Tilley
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 05:20 -0300, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote: Saying that ISC is more free than GPL makes no sense Saying Do not remove our text does not restrict your freedom. That's all the ISC asks of you. Leave the copyright notice and the permission to use alone.

Re: issues with audio on Apr13 snapshot

2010-04-15 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:40 PM, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hi there, with the april 13 snapshot i get fluctuations in the volume level and audible cracks and glitches when have e.g. a browser (opera) and mplayer open. i dont see a patern yet, but for example during watching

Re: issues with audio on Apr13 snapshot

2010-04-15 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 02:20:02PM -0600, Ted Roby said that You should paste a dmesg, and point out what audio drivers i knew i forgot something :] i even copied it to the mail server. shame on me. i never had audio problems before btw, also forgot to add. this static is just a hiss,

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Nikolai Fetissov
Would you freaking stop this? Go hug Stallman or something. It's not entertaining anymore. The ISC has one restriction and I never claimed otherwise. The GPL has MORE restrictions. I am not contradicting myself. You just want to change the dictionary to match your little reality. You

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
Saying that ISC is more free than GPL makes no sense Saying Do not remove our text does not restrict your freedom. That's all the ISC asks of you. Leave the copyright notice and the permission to use alone. Please do not take my mesages out of context. Removing sentences, and twisting what

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:39:57PM -0300, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: That's because I don't yell GPL is not free while I'm using GPL. what's wrong with that? if I use Windows and yell Windows is not free, would you think the same? If you were insulting a Windows user, probably.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: Please do not take my mesages out of context. Removing sentences, and twisting what I said can be very convenient to put me in the wrong whithout factual evidence. I do not please. Since no message can be completely within context, that implies that your are

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: I'm reasoning. I'm not bombing your house. Good morning in the Lord. Religious fanatics don't automatically bomb a house, some create museum. -- Antoine

Re: 4.7 and AR5007

2010-04-15 Thread Noah Pugsley
Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2010-04-15, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss lzsk...@gmail.com wrote: The new athn driver support the AR5007 chip? Thanks. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=athn I've been having trouble with a 9285 in a low end Gateway laptop/netbook. I've been tracking snapshots