Hello,
After checking the ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64
directory for the latest releases, I saw that the latest build is from
early/mid February, same with packages directory.
In the past current os packages were updated more often, is there a
reason why packages are (somewhat
Hello,
I was starting a download of ports from
http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/openbsd/snapshots/ports.tar.gz to compare
it with an old archive from a mirror. As you can see, the file size is
listed as 20.7M, but what I got is a 220M file which is corrupted as
reported by tar. The fact is that
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 09:07:32AM +0100, Didier Wiroth wrote:
In the past current os packages were updated more often, is there a
reason why packages are (somewhat old) or are there some changes in
current update behavior?
There was a similar pause in production of snapshots and their
Mihai Popescu wrote:
Hello,
I was starting a download of ports from
http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/openbsd/snapshots/ports.tar.gz to compare
it with an old archive from a mirror. As you can see, the file size is
listed as 20.7M, but what I got is a 220M file which is corrupted as
reported
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That version wouldn't install on my notebook at all. The kernel
couldn't recognise my hard drive
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:26 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
on the screen, followed by the question:
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]
At this point I'm actually trying to remember if there's a way
On 03/07/2012 02:26 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
[rant...]
Distributing an installation program that can wipe out the user's hard
disk instantly on a single wrong keystroke, without so much as a
confirmation prompt is so shortsighted and irresponsible that I can
barely believe it.
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 01:26:41PM +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
on the screen, followed by the question:
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]
At this point I'm actually trying to remember if there's
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That version wouldn't install on my notebook at all. The kernel
Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
It seems that you need to get some experience and then talk about it.
You have none yet in the area you promote, so why should I be
interested about nothing ?
[ put here the experience ]
To talk about
You just cut yourself in the shark tank. Good luck.
07.03.12, 07:31, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was
07 PP0QQP0 2012, 16:31 PQ Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com:
I start answering the installer's questions. Keyboard layout. Root
password. Configuration of network interfaces. I'm not actually paying
a whole lot of attention to the questions as this is just a test
I am absolutely intrigued by this story despite my better judgement.
You were able to cook your own full OpenBSD installer on a USB stick
with GRUB instead of downloading an ISO or using PXE, but you failed
disk setup in the installer? It really would be interesting to see if
you can read just
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:26 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
on the screen, followed by the question:
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the
On 2012 Mar 07 (Wed) at 13:26:41 +0100 (+0100), Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
wrote:
...
:I'm not actually paying
:a whole lot of attention to the questions as this is just a test
:installation and I figure I can always explore and configure the
:system later.
:
You should always pay attention to
Hi,
I'm running a setup of Active/backup firewalls with carp/pfsync
successfully for the last year.
Today I've upgraded the primary firewall to the latest snapshot (12 Feb),
and as soon as the firewall booted it became MASTER before pfsync bulk
transfer completed.
Mar 7 15:42:04 echidna
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
I pressed Enter by mistake there (and realized my mistake a couple of
seconds too late). The kind of confirmation I expected is something
like: This will erase all partitions, are you sure (y/n)?,
What
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Zak Elep zak.e...@orangeandbronze.com
wrote:
Too bad, a thorough reading of FAQ Chapter 4[0] could have saved you a
LOT of trouble.
[0]:
Hello misc, I know that it is terrible,
and many answers on this questions in past,
but construction with dot and space before ./vars
is work to make ./clean-all and ./build-dh.
and something went wrong with ./pkitool
# uname -a
OpenBSD openbsd 5.0 GENERIC.MP#59 i386
# pwd
/etc/openvpn/easy-rsa
#
And you didn't read the FAQ because?
The OpenBSD Installation Guide is easily found at
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html
People wrote this documentation so other people would actually read it and
not have your unfortunate experience.
Your inability or unwillingness to do your homework before
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 03:04:33PM +0100, Christer Solskogen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
I pressed Enter by mistake there (and realized my mistake a couple of
seconds too late). The kind of confirmation I expected is
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Russell Garrison
russell.garri...@gmail.com wrote:
I am absolutely intrigued by this story despite my better judgement.
You were able to cook your own full OpenBSD installer on a USB stick
with GRUB instead of downloading an ISO or using PXE, but you failed
disk
So I downloaded all the package files, wrote them to a USB stick,
created a bootable image with GRUB, booted into the OpenBSD installer
and off we go. Now, this computer already had Windows 7 and Linux,
plus about 16 GB of unpartitioned space where OpenBSD is going. It's
actually the same
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That
So I think a pronounced confirmation question before touching the disk
is not a bad thing. It is what many would expect.
I didn't know that the devs were in the business of holding hands.
OpenBSD has the best installer of any OS, hands down. It's tiny,
scriptable, to the point, and does
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That
On 2012-03-07, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:26 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 15:27 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Then again, partitioning your disk is a bit more serious than What's
your hostname? or What time zone are you in?. Maybe that one
question deserves an extra confirmation, or a less dangerous default.
Sorry, but you wrote that
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 03:57:10PM +0100, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 15:27 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Then again, partitioning your disk is a bit more serious than What's
your hostname? or What time zone are you in?. Maybe that one
question deserves an
Distributing an installation program that can wipe out the user's hard
disk instantly on a single wrong keystroke, without so much as a
confirmation prompt is so shortsighted and irresponsible that I can
barely believe it.
Doing an installation on a machine that you obviously care about, with
On 03/07/2012 07:26 AM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That version wouldn't install on my
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 14:49 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
I pressed Enter by mistake there (and realized my mistake a couple of
seconds too late). The kind of confirmation I expected is something
like: This will erase all partitions, are you sure (y/n)?, or an
opportunity to review
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2012-03-07, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:26 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes
I'm trying to speed up my mouse. If I do xset m 10 4 or even xset m 100
4, I can see the change with xset q, but the mouse acts the same. It
works under Linux (multiboot) but not here.
I'm using OpenBSD 5.0 with a vanilla X installed from xbase50.tgz,
xetc50.tgz, xfont50.tgz, xserv50.tgz,
On 2012-03-07, Raimo Niskanen raimo+open...@erix.ericsson.se wrote:
I just want to defend the OP a wee bit.
Most installers I have encountered; Linux, FreeBSD, ... have a
very pronounced confirmation question just before making irreversible
changes to the target disk. Especially the ones that
On Wednesday 07 March 2012 15:27:51 Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Russell Garrison
russell.garri...@gmail.com wrote:
I am absolutely intrigued by this story despite my better judgement.
You were able to cook your own full OpenBSD installer on a USB stick
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Dennis den Brok d.den.b...@uni-bonn.de wrote:
On 2012-03-07, Raimo Niskanen raimo+open...@erix.ericsson.se wrote:
I just want to defend the OP a wee bit.
Most installers I have encountered; Linux, FreeBSD, ... have a
very pronounced confirmation question just
B Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]
You should certainly try Ctrl-C, Esc, Ctrl-alt-del, power switch and
never enter in order to not do something.
Taking the situation of the cat jumping on the keyboard and you may
have an argument except you do have to hit [I] for install first and
Partitioning the disk is not irreversible. Use the Symantek/Norton
utilities and it will make guesses and try to find Windows partitions.
Once the newfs (formatting) starts, that's fairly irreversible.
Alan
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Dave Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Stuart Henderson
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer would not harm
one so easily...
I disagree. I think the installer is fine the way it is and it was not
the problem
Multi boot systems are definitely more risky to assemble; I prefer use of
VM's instead.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.comwrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer would not harm
one so easily...
I disagree. I think the installer is
David Vasek wrote:
Except that the equipment shoudn't direct people to behave in such a
disasterous way. And this the case.
This is not the case, don't be ridiculous. There is not a disaster if
you wipe out your hardisk by mistake.
I think you got it wrong here. The developer can put anything he
I'm not sure about this part, actually. I won't make statements about
the OpenBSD community as whole, but in my experience using the whole
disk is the most typical action.
Every one of the installs I do uses the whole disk. The installer is
best left alone because it fits the typical use
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM, David Vasek va...@fido.cz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 02:49:01PM +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Sorry about the tone earlier, but I'm still incredulous that the
install program would do something as serious as overwriting the
partition table by default without confirmation.
An installation of an unknown OS, with
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com writes:
OpenBSD installer should be tuned so that hitting [Enter] all the way
gets you to a bootable system without side effects
My typical install is almost all hitting Enter (with a couple of obvious
exceptions9, and it ends with a bootable and very
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Amit Kulkarni wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM, David Vasek va...@fido.cz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM, David Vasek va...@fido.cz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer
gawd no
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turn my favorite OS into Linux.
when I need my hand held I'll ask my wife to hold mine.
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Dave Anderson d...@daveanderson.com wrote:
To be fair (which is a bit difficult given the tone of the original
message) he has identified what may be the only place in the install
process where a single wrong keystroke can do major damage. Everyplace
else I can
On 03/07/2012 12:55 PM, David Vasek wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Amit Kulkarni wrote:
...
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [edit]
while the OP did make a mistake, he could modify the default to be
edit the MBR. so he would be forced to pay attention while staring at
the partition table. i
Somebody claiming to be Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
I have to apologize to everyone on this list for the tone of that
first message. I was angry and venting, and I apologize if it offended
anyone. I understand that the installer works the way it does because
that's what's useful to the
On 2012-03-07 17.23, Dennis den Brok wrote:
On 2012-03-07, Raimo Niskanen raimo+open...@erix.ericsson.se wrote:
So I think a pronounced confirmation question before touching the disk
is not a bad thing. It is what many would expect.
As there seems to be much resistance to one more (redundant)
On 03/07/2012 07:26, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Hi,
I joined this mailing list just to tell you this: Right now, I feel
like never, ever touching OpenBSD with a ten-foot pole again.
A couple of years ago I decided to get back into computing and built a
box. I have run through many of
Hello,
What is the proper way to report glitches or errors from applications
present in ports only ( not in base) ?
Is it ok to discuss those on ports@ ? I want to avoid doing this on
misc@ from now on.
Thank you.
Let's all step back a moment: Leonardo is neither the first nor will he
be the last person to be bitten by something in OpenBSD. I say we tell
him we are sorry for his troubles, giggle a little bit, give him a
hearty pat on the back, and shout,
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I agree with Holtzman's sentiment, the OP should consider himself lucky
that he hit a struggling point as early as he did, lest he hit a much
bigger first brick wall later down the road. Now he has the benefit of
respecting the OS while still getting a feel for it.
On Mar 7, 2012 3:21 PM, daniel
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:52:45 -0500
Sean Howard wrote:
This error is the best error you can make. Keeps you respecting your system
and your own ability to control it.
Leonardo, have you ever started zeroing the wrong /dev/ with dd yet?
Backup everything important and hope it saves you more
Kendall Shaw ks...@kendallshaw.com writes:
Hi,
I have a lifebook p1110 which causes a kernel panic related to APM, I
think. Either by setting power savings settings in BIOS to suspend or
standby, or
disabling power savings in BIOS and running apmd and apm -z or apm -S
causes a kernal
As a short term workaround, type -c at the boot prompt, then disable
cbb at the next prompt, then quit, and see what happens.
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012, Kendall Shaw wrote:
Kendall Shaw ks...@kendallshaw.com writes:
Hi,
I have a lifebook p1110 which causes a kernel panic related to APM, I
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 07:41:47PM +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
I also agree with those who pointed out that doing experimental OS
installs on a machine you care about is not a particularly smart thing
to do.
It's also fairly stupid to ever do an install without first backing up
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 10:10:12AM -0500, Nick Holland wrote:
yes, scrollback is something that was sacrificed on the installer to
keep it able to fit on a floppy (contrary to another contribution to
this thread). Unfortunate, annoying, and unfortunately, I got no
better ideas.
Is it true
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
You would have loved an operating system called IMOS from NCR. They
had a useful command that would delete files from a disk. If you
forgot to
On 03/07/12 18:32, Marc Espie wrote:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 10:10:12AM -0500, Nick Holland wrote:
yes, scrollback is something that was sacrificed on the installer to
keep it able to fit on a floppy (contrary to another contribution to
this thread). Unfortunate, annoying, and unfortunately,
tl:dr: yes, I agree with the OP - that step could be more informative
and it would be a good idea to include further confirmation before
effectively writing changes to the disk/MBR.
--
Hi everybody, I'm new here and I have been trying OpenBSD for
the past couple of weeks, and finally
*UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things, as that
would also stop them from doing clever things.* Doug
Gwynhttp://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doug_Gwynaction=editredlink=
1
Em 7 de margo de 2012 11:27, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:21:55 -0500 (EST)
Alan Corey ab...@wolfman.devio.us wrote:
I'm trying to speed up my mouse. If I do xset m 10 4 or even xset m 100
4, I can see the change with xset q, but the mouse acts the same. It
works under Linux (multiboot) but not here.
I'm using 1920x1080
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012, Nick Holland wrote:
On 03/07/12 18:32, Marc Espie wrote:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 10:10:12AM -0500, Nick Holland wrote:
yes, scrollback is something that was sacrificed on the installer to
keep it able to fit on a floppy (contrary to another contribution to
this thread).
Thanks, I'll look at that. Are your values exact or off-the-cuff? I get
that 230 isn't a valid property, but you've got me started reading the
xinput man page anyway. I'm playing with properties 236-239 mainly.
I remember you used to be able to stick a resolution line in your
XFree86.conf
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 09:17:27AM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 09:07:32AM +0100, Didier Wiroth wrote:
In the past current os packages were updated more often, is there a
reason why packages are (somewhat old) or are there some changes in
current update
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:41:39 -0500 (EST)
Alan Corey ab...@wolfman.devio.us wrote:
Thanks, I'll look at that. Are your values exact or off-the-cuff? I get
that 230 isn't a valid property, but you've got me started reading the
xinput man page anyway. I'm playing with properties 236-239
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012, Brett wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:41:39 -0500 (EST)
Alan Corey ab...@wolfman.devio.us wrote:
Thanks, I'll look at that. Are your values exact or off-the-cuff? I get
that 230 isn't a valid property, but you've got me started reading the
xinput man page anyway. I'm
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 06:19:02PM +0100, David Vasek wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer would
Hye guys,
I have an issue to ask here. I have two core switches. Am I able to use a
single IP for two NICs, and each NICs connecting to each core switches to
provide fail-over?
Core 1 == NIC 1 [192.168.0.1 ] NIC 2 == Core 2
So, my client only know a single IP address, regardless core 1 or core
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 01:25:35PM +0800, Pok Yie wrote:
Hye guys,
I have an issue to ask here. I have two core switches. Am I able to use a
single IP for two NICs, and each NICs connecting to each core switches to
provide fail-over?
Core 1 == NIC 1 [192.168.0.1 ] NIC 2 == Core 2
So,
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