Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Mic J
Dear Fredrik Staxeng. Im sorry to hear you had a bad experience when communicating with our team. Could you please specify your exact problem, What was the question you got a snappy answer about And what was it Linus was right about. WE at OpenBSD.org works hard to provide a great customer and

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Lars Hansson
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Fredrik Staxeng fst...@update.uu.se wrote: Do you want users at all? Or was Linus right? Yes. I dunno, I usually ignore his fire-brand rants. --- Lars

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Henning Brauer
* Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com [2012-03-07 19:44]: That being said, I think Dave understands the problem very well. That is probably the most dangerous point in the installation. It's dangerous even for experienced users (anyone can get distracted and screw up), but

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Dieter Schoen
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 08:51:45AM +0100, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 08:28:37AM +0100, Fredrik Staxeng wrote: | Do you want users at all? Or was Linus right? [..] PS: Was that snappy enough ? At least your question was indeed pretty stupid... actually, i find the idea

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Eric Furman
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 08:28 AM, Fredrik Staxeng wrote: Do you want users at all? Or was Linus right? Never question the Great God Linus Torvalds. I suspect sarcasm so your sin might be forgiven. May Linus shower you with mercy and Love. Go in peace in the name of Linus, my son.

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 08:28 +0100, Fredrik Staxeng wrote: Do you want users at all? Or was Linus right? It depends. Eg. we specifically don't want you and such messages on mailing list.

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread André
mmuuu. Without the reference it would have been much more fun. Linus is right. The earth is a disc. House says: Go Away. Andri 2012/3/9 Paul de Weerd we...@weirdnet.nl: On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 08:28:37AM +0100, Fredrik Staxeng wrote: | Do you want users at all? Or was Linus

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread giovanni
tl;dr -- see ya, giovanni

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Benny Lofgren
On 2012-03-08 17.21, daniel holtzman wrote: The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the casual user. If a user is not committed to a high level of responsibility (and freedom), install-time is a great time for a

Re: Suggestion

2012-03-09 Thread Nomen Nescio
Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap to buy Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or Win 7 on the net and do the activation or find a password. That's a pretty small user space.

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 13:05 +0100, Benny Lofgren wrote: On 2012-03-08 17.21, daniel holtzman wrote: The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the casual user. If a user is not committed to a high level of

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Lars Hansson
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com wrote: So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk, the whole disk is used needs further documentation? Well, since this is the one of the few (only?) destructive actions the installer takes I can

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Eric Furman
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 08:47 PM, Lars Hansson wrote: On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com wrote: So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk, the whole disk is used needs further documentation? Well, since this is the one of the

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Eric Furman
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 01:33 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 13:05 +0100, Benny Lofgren wrote: On 2012-03-08 17.21, daniel holtzman wrote: The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the

Re: pfsync changes in current?

2012-03-09 Thread Kapetanakis Giannis
On 08/03/12 18:17, Peter Hessler wrote: On 2012 Mar 07 (Wed) at 15:58:21 +0200 (+0200), Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: :Hi, : :I'm running a setup of Active/backup firewalls with carp/pfsync :successfully for the last year. : :Today I've upgraded the primary firewall to the latest snapshot (12 Feb),

Re: pfsync changes in current?

2012-03-09 Thread Kapetanakis Giannis
Just an addition on this. I've noticed this after I added the following on the Cisco switch on all intefaces where the firewalls are connected: spanning-tree portfast trunk spanning-tree bpdufilter enable Don't know if it's relevant but I thought I should mention it. interface

Re: Network interfaces order changes on boot

2012-03-09 Thread dsp
i think you could do that through config (8). if you config -e your kernel and use change bge0 (or 1) you can define the port of the bus that the device will attach to. if i'm wrong have a look at files.conf (5) and recompile your kernel although i'm pretty sure that's not necessary. cheers. DsP

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Wesley
On 07.03.2012 16:26, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote: Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears on the screen, followed by the question: Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole] You need to read !!! All is explained in the sentence ! Sorry to tell you that,

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread patric conant
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.dewrote: * Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com [2012-03-07 19:44]: That being said, I think Dave understands the problem very well. That is probably the most dangerous point in the installation. It's

Re: Suggestion

2012-03-09 Thread Renzo Fabriek
On Friday 09 March 2012 13:10:13 Nomen Nescio wrote: Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap to buy Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or Win 7 on the net and do the

Re: Suggestion

2012-03-09 Thread Timothy Baldock
Renzo Fabriek wrote: On Friday 09 March 2012 13:10:13 Nomen Nescio wrote: Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap to buy Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or Win 7 on the net

Which high end multichannel audio interfaces work?

2012-03-09 Thread Jochen Fabricius
Hi, I'm looking for a really high end multichannel (at least 2 in 8 out, breakout box) audio interface that works with OpenBSD. Obviously the M-Audio Delta 1010 does, because it is listed in envy(4). But this interface needs an external power supply, and I want to avoid it is possible. So I

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Nick Holland
oh good, people DID notice this. I was starting to wonder. Note: any return to the old, boring FAQ title for 5.1 is purely due to lack of creativity on my part, not dullards like this guy. Though, I do admit his posting is prompting me to try again to come up with something. pitch

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Johan Beisser
Sent form my iFoe. On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:19, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: pitch mode=money benefactor=OpenBSD Hey, if having an OS which takes the quality of its product -- and not much else! -- seriously is important to you, this would be a good time to make a donation to

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Henning Brauer
* David Vasek va...@fido.cz [2012-03-07 18:56]: what about this Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [edit] while the OP did make a mistake, he could modify the default to be edit the MBR. so he would be forced to pay attention while staring at the partition table. i would be paying

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Renzo Fabriek
On Friday 09 March 2012 19:19:33 Nick Holland wrote: oh good, people DID notice this. I was starting to wonder. Note: any return to the old, boring FAQ title for 5.1 is purely due to lack of creativity on my part, not dullards like this guy. Though, I do admit his posting is prompting me

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Sean Howard
Somebody claiming to be Henning Brauer wrote: * David Vasek va...@fido.cz [2012-03-07 18:56]: what about this Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [edit] while the OP did make a mistake, he could modify the default to be edit the MBR. so he would be forced to pay attention while

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 16:40 -0700, Barry Grumbine wrote: Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] At this point I usually say oh crap, hit ^c, and go read the dmesg or `disklabel

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Henning Brauer
* Sean Howard sil...@callysto.com [2012-03-09 19:56]: It seems that enter was pushed (in this case) in an effort to scroll up. sorry, but that is absurd. where does enter scroll up? do we need to protect power- and reset-buttons as well because someone might push them to scroll up? i hope obama

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Henning Brauer
* Marcos Bento Luna marcoz.l...@gmail.com [2012-03-08 03:07]: But I wasnt careless, and choose the custom layout option. However, the next step wasn't very practical for a newbie like me to easily visualize what exactly I had to do, how to do it and where it would be made. see, imo our

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
Henning Brauer wrote [2012-03-09 20:51+0100]: i hope obama never tries to scroll up. that red shiny button... Sorry, but that knocked me out. Good night. --steffen

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-09 Thread Lars
Benny Lofgren wrote: On 2012-03-08 17.21, daniel holtzman wrote: The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the casual user. If a user is not committed to a high level of responsibility (and freedom), install-time

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Brett
On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:19:33 -0500 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: oh good, people DID notice this. I was starting to wonder. Note: any return to the old, boring FAQ title for 5.1 is purely due to lack of creativity on my part, not dullards like this guy. Though, I do

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Brett wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:12:11AM +1100: I noticed and think its a great title, because it would never be approved by a marketing department. See, Nick *is* the honorary marketing department. Er... well... among other functions. (He is a bit into support as well, kind of.) And the

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Kaya Saman
On 03/09/2012 10:35 PM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: Brett wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:12:11AM +1100: I noticed and think its a great title, because it would never be approved by a marketing department. See, Nick *is* the honorary marketing department. Er... well... among other functions. (He is

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-09 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org wrote: Sent form my iFoe. On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:19, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: pitch mode=money benefactor=OpenBSD Hey, if having an OS which takes the quality of its product -- and not much else! --