On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 07:32:58PM -0600, J Moore wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:21:47AM +0100, the unit calling itself frantisek
holop wrote:
and i have a feeling they don't agree that openbsd must have
debian-ugly pages made by c hackers in 1995 who hate html
and think design is
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 05:18:40PM +0100, Hannah Schroeter wrote:
I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I
decided for 1024x768.
Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design.
Agree with that.
Craig.
On 11/27/05, David Ulevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 27, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Jeremy David wrote:
Right now, OpenBSD.org's layout and design relies on a lot of old
hacks,
which break down for many users. I find that unacceptable, just as
I find
the general attitude that something
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fopenbsd.org%2Fcharset=%28dete
ct+automatically%29doctype=Inli
Openbsd.org is built on invalid, broken code.
If you would like to know why web standards are important, you could read
these
3) Write it for an older release
[...]
4) Publish it, let it rot.
amen to that.
This message is essentially amplifying what Nick says, so please feel
free to skip if documentation is not your thing.
I may be somewhat biased, but looking at what google serves up for the
keywords OpenBSD
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:39:18PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:29:27AM +0100, Jonathan Glaschke said that
The Web is against good design. You can see this by looking at the most
people's choice of browser. Bad web browsers are the biggest problem in
hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 02:15:27PM +0100, Jonathan Glaschke said that
XHTML 1.1 must be shipped as application/xhtml+xml. IE can't handle this
and ask the user (or the idiot, as you signature says ;) where to save this
file. That's not a real problem since you can use xhtml 1.0 but that
On 14:55 Sun 27 Nov, frantisek holop wrote:
your page is unreadable at 800x600
:)
I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I
decided for 1024x768.
But I was talking about *code*. Offcourse that I would design OpenBSD
site totaly different... It's about code
On Nov 27, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Sime Ramov wrote:
On 14:55 Sun 27 Nov, frantisek holop wrote:
your page is unreadable at 800x600
:)
I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I
decided for 1024x768.
But I was talking about *code*. Offcourse that I would design OpenBSD
Sime Ramov hello at coastaldisturbance.com writes:
I agree. Just look at the code of my site, now, OpenBSD needs exactly
that! :) No, I'm not sarcastic, I'm serious, it would match OpenBSD
perfectly.
Can you people please shut the fuck up about the website. It's been
stated numerous times
On 14:46 Sun 27 Nov, Simon Morgan wrote:
time soon. I have a sneaking suspicion that the only people who
keep raising this are i know what's best HTML programmers who
have nothing interesting or worthwhile to contribute or discuss but
feel the overwhelming need to nitpick, bitch and moan
Sime Ramov hello at coastaldisturbance.com writes:
Many programmers write code and think that it's the only thing that
matters. Well, web site of the product is also very important.
Matters to who? Idiots who can't read man pages and are constantly
polluting this mailing list with their idiotic
css can be used with 4.01 w/o problems. and making pages
that have css but also set things for non-css browsers (background)
is quite normal (at least until everybody catches up in year 3014).
make it at least 1998 ;-)
OpenBSD is known for it's progressive additude, if there's a new and a
Hello!
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 03:04:11PM +0100, Sime Ramov wrote:
On 14:55 Sun 27 Nov, frantisek holop wrote:
your page is unreadable at 800x600
:)
I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I
decided for 1024x768.
Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design.
Hannah Schroeter wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 03:04:11PM +0100, Sime Ramov wrote:
On 14:55 Sun 27 Nov, frantisek holop wrote:
your page is unreadable at 800x600
I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I
decided for 1024x768.
Deciding for *any* resolution is
Rene Rivera wrote:
Hannah Schroeter wrote:
...
Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design.
The current openbsd.org doesn't work at 640x480... Does that make it a
bad design? And hence should be considered a bug to be fixed by a new
design?
One of our star platforms, Zaurus, has only
Nick Holland wrote:
Rene Rivera wrote:
Hannah Schroeter wrote:
Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design.
The current openbsd.org doesn't work at 640x480... Does that make it a
bad design? And hence should be considered a bug to be fixed by a new
design?
So, where do you see a
hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 04:04:02PM +, Simon Morgan said that
Sime Ramov hello at coastaldisturbance.com writes:
Many programmers write code and think that it's the only thing that
matters. Well, web site of the product is also very important.
Matters to who? Idiots who can't read
hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 05:34:49PM -0500, Nick Holland said that
Rene Rivera wrote:
Hannah Schroeter wrote:
...
Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design.
The current openbsd.org doesn't work at 640x480... Does that make it a
bad design? And hence should be considered a bug
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On Nov 27, 2005, at 4:20 PM, frantisek holop wrote:
snip
You're not contributing anything.
if you are sent away right at the beginning, what's the point?
expressing an opinion is still a contribution. without that,
openbsd would be much
On 11/27/05, Simon Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hackers like interesting problems. Pretty HTML and a nice website
layout is not an interesting problem. Stop wasting peoples time
with it. The website has its purpose and does a perfectly good
job of serving it.
I would have to disagree. I
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On Nov 27, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Jeremy David wrote:
On 11/27/05, Simon Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hackers like interesting problems. Pretty HTML and a nice website
layout is not an interesting problem. Stop wasting peoples time
with it. The
hmm, on Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 01:55:33AM +0100, Emil Henry Flakk said that
On 11/25/05, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip Nick for now
This should be added to the OpenBSD FAQ ASAP.
not it shouldn't. and maybe tongue in cheek but quite rude.
it contains a lot of flame and Nick should
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:21:47AM +0100, the unit calling itself frantisek
holop wrote:
and i have a feeling they don't agree that openbsd must have
debian-ugly pages made by c hackers in 1995 who hate html
and think design is for pussies.
Ha! I like that line :) ...actually, I love it!
frantisek holop wrote:
Nick's hate against pdf clouds his reason apparently.
pdf is a perfect format for technical documentation and
papers. go and shout at people who publish their paper
in .ps and .pdf . having said that i don't agree with
publishing _only_ in .pdf . all the formats have
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:16:17 -0700
Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake:
frantisek holop wrote:
Nick's hate against pdf clouds his reason apparently.
pdf is a perfect format for technical documentation and
papers. go and shout at people who publish their paper
in .ps and .pdf . having
On 11/26/05, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldn't presume to speak for Mr. Holland, of course. But I've raised
the pdf issue here a couple of times lately. I *don't* hate pdf. What I
object to is inapproriate use. Why the hell would you type out a text
document and then make it
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:55:51 -0500, Nick Holland
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
people seem to be thrashing around on how to write bad documentation, so
here are some tips
Thanks Nick!
I was wondering which one of the long time folks around here would be
the first to blow a fuse over all the OpenBSD
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 06:30:41PM +0059, Han Boetes wrote:
11) Make documentation unnecesarily complicated. Obfusticate it.
12) Treat critique with violence and disdain.
13) Kick down on other peoples efforts rather than encourage them
even though they are merely beginners.
my all
J.C. Roberts wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:55:51 -0500, Nick Holland
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
people seem to be thrashing around on how to write bad documentation, so
here are some tips
Thanks Nick!
I was wondering which one of the long time folks around here would be
the first to
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:35:17 +0100, mickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 06:30:41PM +0059, Han Boetes wrote:
11) Make documentation unnecesarily complicated. Obfusticate it.
12) Treat critique with violence and disdain.
13) Kick down on other peoples efforts rather than
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Subject: HOTO Write bad documentation
We've been seeing a curious number of people offering various kinds of
documentation on various
Roy Morris wrote:
...
Bad hair day Nick?
Not at all.
At this point in my life, any hair at all is good. If it wants to look
like I just lost a battle with a Tesla coil, that's fine by me. :)
Nick.
On 11/25/05, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We've been seeing a curious number of people offering various kinds of
documentation on various OpenBSD topics.
Most of them are somewhere between minimally useful and outright
destructive and foolish. I think I've seen precisely one that is
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