Re: obsd as domU?

2010-05-20 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:10:16AM -0700, Diana Eichert wrote: Chuckle, try to troubleshoot a network issue when it is in a virtual network. Lots of fun, not. diana Better yet, get told by management NOT to troubleshoot but let the outsourcers do it. While your whole hospital is down for 7

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-18 Thread SJP Lists
2010/1/13 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com: 3.) Many of the benefits you gain by running a stable and secure operating system like OpenBSD are lost when you run it as a guest on top of some other insecure host operating system. This is only true if either: * there is a

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread bofh
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:31 +0200, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, but you guys from OpenBSD have proved that you can trust the skills of **some** developers to write an __supposed__

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 08:31:14AM +0200, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote: Sorry, but you guys from OpenBSD have proved that you can trust the skills of **some** developers viz., precisely those developers that are telling you to not trust the virtualization hype/crap. So, why not trust those

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 08:55:33AM +0200, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Bret S. Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com wrote: How did lazy internet denizen gets told he's lazy turn into anything worth spending this much time on? I would like to personally

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us writes: I have seen people virtualize a file server and domain controller on a single machine. Which is awesome because now you get free 30% loss of IO performance. You know it keeps bandwidth use lower and latency higher. Exactly what lusers like. Oh,

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread bofh
Of course it didn't! What they should have done was put the backup server on the same VM!!! Problem solved! On 1/13/10, Peter N. M. Hansteen pe...@bsdly.net wrote: Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us writes: I have seen people virtualize a file server and domain controller on a single

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread Chris Dukes
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:41:15AM +0200, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote: * any other options??? (anyone???) If you are looking at OpenBSD in a production environment as a firewall, ssl accelerator, or for protection from OS privilege escalation when someone else finds and uses an exploit in

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread Chris Dukes
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 07:54:46AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: Virtualization is a toy sold as an enterprise solution. The argument goes like this: you need a domain controller and sequel server so you need 2 machines. So instead of paying for 2 machines you virtualize them!

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread Diana Eichert
Chuckle, try to troubleshoot a network issue when it is in a virtual network. Lots of fun, not. diana

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, but you guys from OpenBSD have proved that you can trust the skills of **some** developers to write an __supposed__ perfectly secure operating system, so why not trust other developers to write a

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Bret Lambert
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Vadkan Jozsef jozsi.avad...@gmail.com wrote: Can I run obsd as a xen guest? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Can+I+run+obsd+as+a+xen+guest The internet: you're doing it wrong.

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Vadkan Jozsef jozsi.avad...@gmail.com wrote: Can I run obsd as a xen guest? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Can+I+run+obsd+as+a+xen+guest The internet: you're doing it wrong. Hello

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Bret Lambert
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: [snipz0rz] So I bet that the initial poster expected an (authoritative) answer that should have came in the form of an advice based on experience or at least something useful... (Not lmgtfy, which I'm

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Michiel van Baak
On 08:59, Tue 12 Jan 10, Vadkan Jozsef wrote: Can I run obsd as a xen guest? under 'full' virtualisation, yes. under para-virtualisation, no. -- Michiel van Baak mich...@vanbaak.eu http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x71C946BD Why is it drug

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:41:15 +0200 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: So I bet that the initial poster expected an (authoritative) answer that should have came in the form of an advice based on experience or at least something useful... (Not lmgtfy, which I'm sure he

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:43 AM, J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:41:15 +0200 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: B B So I bet that the initial poster expected an (authoritative) answer that should have came in the form of an advice

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Bret S. Lambert
How did lazy internet denizen gets told he's lazy turn into anything worth spending this much time on?

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Bret S. Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com wrote: How did lazy internet denizen gets told he's lazy turn into anything worth spending this much time on? I would like to personally apologize for criticizing you, Bret, of lmgtfy the other guy (which I didn't knew

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Henning Brauer
* Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com [2010-01-13 07:37]: This is only true if either: * there is a security bug in the virtualization software (highly improbable, and maybe easibly fixed); i owuld pee my pants (or maybe bob's instead) laughing if it wasn't so sad. it is

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-12 Thread Eric Furman
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:31 +0200, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:43 AM, J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:41:15 +0200 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote: B B So I bet that the initial