Re: Dual boot problem

2008-04-08 Thread Andrei
Josh Grosse wrote: On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT), Andrei wrote I have PC with two OpenBSD 4.2 - bootable harddisks. Clearly I can boot from either of them by setting a boot sequence in BIOS or by typing boot hdXa:/bsd in the boot prompt (X = 0 or 1). What I want is to specify

Re: Kerberos ~/.k5user file

2008-04-08 Thread Janne Johansson
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 20:48 -0700, Clint Pachl wrote: Is the ~/.k5user file supported in OpenBSD's Heimdal implementation? I'm ... BTW, what is /root/.klogin? Is it for kerberos 4? It doesn't have a man Yes, it is (was) for krb4. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type

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Re: Dual boot problem

2008-04-08 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On 01:00:04 Apr 08, Andrei wrote: Thanks Josh, this works fine. The reason I did not consider boot.conf at the beginning is that it concerns second-stage bootstrap, while I was trying to find a solution first-stage bootstrap. Then you have to do it manually. OpenBSD is not very convenient

Re: suggested change to fgetln manpage example code

2008-04-08 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 05:49:09AM +0200, Tobias Ulmer wrote: Costs 250$/EUR or something last time i've checked. The electronic version should be available for *ways* cheaper, like $18 or so. There's also a paper book by Wiley Sons, with the rationale and standard, costing ~50 EUR. ISBN 0

Re: macosx vs winxp: pf packet blocking

2008-04-08 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
This sounds like a timing/fragmenting problem. Google blasts things out big and smooth. Most sites you see a lot more chatter on the tcp layer. If you have another machine with a different stack (Sun/Linux..) put it on the inside of the firewall and see what happens. Or use a sniffer and

relayd and pf states

2008-04-08 Thread Need Coffee
I have relayd in production with textbook (or manpage) examples of doing redirects to backend webservers. relayd seems to notice host state changes properly and makes the necessary pf table adjustments. The problem is that the pf states take so long to expire, that any clients that have existing

opencvs succeeded / 64-bit checkout of xenocara

2008-04-08 Thread Need Coffee
I believe I encountered the bug referenced here the other day on amd64, checking-out xenocara: http://www.webservertalk.com/archive248-2005-7-1143312.html This is known, it's the infamous 64-bit cvs bug. Some of the fonts in XF4 cause any 64-bit client to allocate too much memory on the server

Re: : Dual boot problem

2008-04-08 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 01:00:04AM -0700, Andrei wrote: Josh Grosse wrote: On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT), Andrei wrote I have PC with two OpenBSD 4.2 - bootable harddisks. Clearly I can boot from either of them by setting a boot sequence in BIOS or by typing boot hdXa:/bsd

Installing Perl on openBSD 4.0

2008-04-08 Thread pichi
Hello, I am running OpenBSD 4.0 (GENERIC) #1107 on my Nagios monitoring server. Everything works great but I would like to expand reporting a little bit. I have decided on using Nagiosgraph. The install docs for Nagiosgraph say I need Perl and CGI-perl among other things (Apache, rrdtool,

Re: Installing Perl on openBSD 4.0

2008-04-08 Thread Josh Grosse
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 05:17:42 -0700 (PDT), pichi wrote When apps like nagiosadmin say I need perl what package would that be for OpenBSD? I know this is a lame question but I am really new to OpenBSD. And yes I did look around for an answer before posting this. 1. Perl is included in the

Re: : Dual boot problem

2008-04-08 Thread Louis V. Lambrecht
Not quite, you don't need a specific partition for grub.Grub only needs to be installed on the BIOS first boot device. Which can be a hard drive, a floppy, a cdrom, an usb key... On a hard drive with only OpenBSD slices, grub will usually be installed on the first slice, the one with the

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Dusty
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 04:44:08PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? What alternatives to firefox do you suggest? Seamonkey? Also, (for the rest of you on misc) as far as security goes, the OpenBSD development team

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Pau
on obsd 4.2 SM is 1.1.4... there are some issues But in any case I absolutely agree with you that fatfox is very resource-unfriendly I think I'm going to switch to links Is there a flash plugin for it?? ... hehe By the way... why is lynx default page openbsd.org? I thought all packages were

Re: macosx vs winxp: pf packet blocking

2008-04-08 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: This sounds like a timing/fragmenting problem. Google blasts things out big and smooth. Most sites you see a lot more chatter on the tcp layer. If you have another machine with a different stack (Sun/Linux..) put it on the inside of the firewall and see what

Re: : : Dual boot problem

2008-04-08 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:54:48PM +0200, Louis V. Lambrecht wrote: Not quite, you don't need a specific partition for grub.Grub only needs to be installed on the BIOS first boot device. Which can be a hard drive, a floppy, a cdrom, an usb key... Thank you for your correction. I looked at

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:51:32PM +0200, Dusty wrote: I use Seamonkey. It works. Why use Seamonkey? It is more resource friendly than running Firefox+Thunderbird+whatever. Both are starting in about the same - long - time: 20 seconds... :/ (Pentium II 400, 256 MB RAM, SATA drive, OpenBSD

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:34:49PM +0200, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:51:32PM +0200, Dusty wrote: I use Seamonkey. It works. Why use Seamonkey? It is more resource friendly than running Firefox+Thunderbird+whatever. Both are starting in about the same - long -

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:45:15PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: There should be the other ones; on the NetBSD 3.1 Firefox is ready to work in about 4 seconds... quite a difference, isn't it? Do they already do prebinding? AFAIK they have something called RelCache (aka ELF prebinding),

Re: Do I need to switch to MP system?

2008-04-08 Thread B A
Probably sound strange, but when I have switched to MP kernel server load droped to ~1% of interrupts. So looks like MP kernel has worse userspace performance, but better interrupt handling. 02.04.08, 00:29, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2008-04-01, B A [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Dual boot problem

2008-04-08 Thread Andrei
Girish Venkatachalam-2 wrote: On 01:00:04 Apr 08, Andrei wrote: Thanks Josh, this works fine. The reason I did not consider boot.conf at the beginning is that it concerns second-stage bootstrap, while I was trying to find a solution first-stage bootstrap. Then you have to do it

PC/OS Workstation listed

2008-04-08 Thread Roberto J. Dohnert
Hey guys, I have put a refurbed machine with PC/OS on sale at eBay. It comes preloaded with PC/OS and has all the essentials to get up an running . Comes preloaded but you can put any Linux or BSD on there that you want. (It did run OpenBSD for awhile) Perfect for those just starting to use

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Dale Rahn
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:34:49PM +0200, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:51:32PM +0200, Dusty wrote: I use Seamonkey. It works. Why use Seamonkey? It is more resource friendly than running Firefox+Thunderbird+whatever. Both are starting in about the same - long -

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Pau
In my case this does help ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin and has never been a problem 2008/4/8, Dale Rahn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:34:49PM +0200, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:51:32PM +0200, Dusty

Re: : : Dual boot problem

2008-04-08 Thread Louis V. Lambrecht
Cm'on Raimo. Tssk! Tssk! http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/sysutils/grub/files/ I mostly use openports.se, rather than searching my own filesystem which is not quite conforming to the standard file hierarchy. :-) Raimo Niskanen wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:54:48PM +0200, Louis

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 07:03:43PM +0200, Pau wrote: In my case this does help ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin Just tried the sequence - can't see any difference, unfortunately. -- pozdrawiam / regards

Re: relayd and pf states

2008-04-08 Thread Tautvydas Bruzas
Well, if you read archives it's a known problem with sticky-address. If you remove sticky-address everything works as expected. Following patch should work (I wrote it for 4.1 hoststated, not sure why it was not accepted, maybe quality of the code?, and modified it to work with 4.3 relayd), use it

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
It's made to be secure, it's prone to be installed on a server not just a fuckin desktop o.s. Well, it depends. I use OpenBSD as a critical-mission server and as a common daily desktop. I'm very happy in both cases. A secure, funcional and free desktop, of course. -- Thanks, Jordi Espasa

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Marco S Hyman
Zbigniew Baniewski writes: ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin Just tried the sequence - can't see any difference, unfortunately. Not suprising as the firefox binary is not in any of the given paths. // marc

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 01:39:29PM -0700, Marco S Hyman wrote: ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin Just tried the sequence - can't see any difference, unfortunately. Not suprising as the firefox binary is not in any of the given paths.

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread james
Zbigniew Baniewski zb at ispid.com.pl writes: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 01:39:29PM -0700, Marco S Hyman wrote: ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin Just tried the sequence - can't see any difference, unfortunately. Not suprising as

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Daniel Horecki
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Zbigniew Baniewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:45:15PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: There should be the other ones; on the NetBSD 3.1 Firefox is ready to work in about 4 seconds... quite a difference, isn't it? Do they already

Re: PC/OS Workstation listed

2008-04-08 Thread Greg Thomas
How nice. Many people just give that stuff away. Instead of giving it away let's all post our Ebay junk sales and put it did run OpenBSD for awhile in the message so everyone will think it's on topic. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Roberto J. Dohnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I have

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:50:21PM +, james wrote: Include /usr/local/mozilla-firefox in the ldconfig line and run the ldconfig command through /usr/local/mozilla-firefox/run-mozilla.sh (or manually set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include /usr/local/mozilla-firefox) I think, the latter method is

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:56:29PM +0200, Daniel Horecki wrote: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-userlevel/2002/12/04/0017.html You mean, exactly this is making a difference? If I recall correctly, it was never commited to the sources. Anyway, NetBSD haven't any prelink/prebind

Re: macosx vs winxp: pf packet blocking

2008-04-08 Thread Damon McMahon
Hello Jake, On 08/04/2008, at 11:07 AM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: have spent a fair deal of time working with pf and have just seen what appears to be quite a bizarre problem: topology is (internet)--pppoe--(openbsd fw - running 4.2-release)-- switch--(wired/wifi router). a winxp host

Use of 'Puffy' Logo

2008-04-08 Thread Matthew Smith
Hi Folks I am about to write an article on why I will be switching to OpenBSD when I build my new server and would like to use the 'Puffy' logo in some shape or form. A search of the site for a style guide or media pack has failed to turn up anything so I thought that I would ask here: how

Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Matthew Smith
Hi Folks As part of my move from GNU/Linux to OpenBSD on my server, I just want to clarify what I need to do to ensure that I have performance optimised. I am coming from Gentoo Linux, where optimisation is mostly about using the appropriate compiler flags. If I were to use the appropriate

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Ted Unangst
On 4/8/08, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were to use the appropriate base distribution (x86_64), configure my kernel correctly (as per the likes of http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/10/31/OpenBSD.html) and set the appropriate compiler flags, is this all I need to do? Nothing

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Jason Beaudoin
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks As part of my move from GNU/Linux to OpenBSD on my server, I just want to clarify what I need to do to ensure that I have performance optimised. I am coming from Gentoo Linux, where optimisation is mostly about

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Ted Unangst at 2008-04-09 08:38... Nothing beats an 8 year old article for the latest info. OpenBSD now comes fully optimized out of the box. Yes, I did notice the age, but that was about all that Google had for me. Optimised out of the box sounds good to me - not having to do anything

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/4/9, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As part of my move from GNU/Linux to OpenBSD on my server, I just want to clarify what I need to do to ensure that I have performance optimised. I am http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why Best Martin

Re: ospfd not resyncing

2008-04-08 Thread Linden Varley
Bringing up an old-topic here, but just letting everyone know I have the exact same problem. It occurs quite often. One of my links goes down, the routes change, but when the link comes back up the routes don't go back to the default lower-cost one and I have to restart ospfd in order to

Re: Use of 'Puffy' Logo

2008-04-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/4/9, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A search of the site for a style guide or media pack has failed to turn up anything so I thought that I would ask here: how do I obtain Click on the logo on the front page. Best Martin

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:49:38AM +0930, Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Ted Unangst at 2008-04-09 08:38... Nothing beats an 8 year old article for the latest info. OpenBSD now comes fully optimized out of the box. Yes, I did notice the age, but that was about all that Google had for me.

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread bofh
The standard recommendation for openbsd is to install the stock kernel. For the applications you've described, the standard recommendation is also to use packages or ports. Think of OpenBSD as an appliance, and you're good to go. As a FYI - OpenBSD concentrates on correctness over optimization,

[off topic] Carp router

2008-04-08 Thread Tom Geman
I currently have a webserver that I host at home using OpenBSD. I want to introduce a second identical webserver as a hot spare and/or to help shoulder the load. I want to use CARP to share my IP but unfortunately, my ADSL service provider uses DHCP to give the webserver its static IP. I have

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:21:52 +0930, Matthew Smith wrote: Hi Folks As part of my move from GNU/Linux to OpenBSD on my server, I just want to clarify what I need to do to ensure that I have performance optimised. I am coming from Gentoo Linux, where optimisation is mostly about using the

Re: Use of 'Puffy' Logo

2008-04-08 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Martin SchrC6der at 2008-04-09 08:51... A search of the site for a style guide or media pack has failed to turn up anything so I thought that I would ask here: how do I obtain Click on the logo on the front page. Thanks. I've had the Art page pointed out to me now, but was unable to

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Stephen Takacs
Matthew Szudzik wrote: What alternatives to firefox do you suggest? /usr/bin/lynx is actually pretty good for a lot of things, and if you rebuild it with '--enable-externs', it can launch scripts or another browser on the current page or current link. It even has an almost foolproof

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:49:38AM +0930, Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Ted Unangst at 2008-04-09 08:38... Nothing beats an 8 year old article for the latest info. OpenBSD now comes fully optimized out of the box. Yes, I did notice the age, but that was about all that Google had for me.

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Rod Whitworth at 2008-04-09 08:04... Matthew, you are pretty new here so I'll be kind. Read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why For this, I apologise. I am currently in the situation that I don't know where to look for what. I might try writing a OpenBSD for Linux escapees

Incorrect pfctl -vvq s Output

2008-04-08 Thread Daniel Melameth
In piloting HFSC's service curves on 4.2-release, I uncovered something wrong. In sending one 1024 byte ICMP packet every second (ping -s 1016), pfctl gets it mostly right: queue interac on pcn0 bandwidth 64Kb priority 7 hfsc( realtime(128Kb 128 32Kb) ) [ pkts:333 bytes:

Re: Incorrect pfctl -vvq s Output

2008-04-08 Thread Ryan McBride
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 07:04:31PM -0600, Daniel Melameth wrote: 8.25Kb/s? I know this is 1Kb/s so what's going on? Is this just an inaccuracy in the pfctl output or does altq really think I'm moving 8Kb/s? I assume it's the former as pftop appears to get it right: Make sure you're paying

Re: Incorrect pfctl -vvq s Output

2008-04-08 Thread Daniel Melameth
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Ryan McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 07:04:31PM -0600, Daniel Melameth wrote: 8.25Kb/s? I know this is 1Kb/s so what's going on? Is this just an inaccuracy in the pfctl output or does altq really think I'm moving 8Kb/s? I assume

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Sevan / Venture37
Apache and MySQL have to be hand-builds - my Apache installation is configured for a very specific environment (and all my apps would break if chrooted) and I have applications that rely on specific Apache modules. You dont have to run the bundled apache chrooted, you can change it, very

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Nick Holland
Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Rod Whitworth at 2008-04-09 08:04... Matthew, you are pretty new here so I'll be kind. Read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why For this, I apologise. I am currently in the situation that I don't know where to look for what. I might try writing a OpenBSD for

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 05:20:01PM +, Matthew Szudzik wrote: On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 04:44:08PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? What alternatives to firefox do you suggest? On my main desktop, I use debian.

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:27:03PM +, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:49:38AM +0930, Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Ted Unangst at 2008-04-09 08:38... Nothing beats an 8 year old article for the latest info. OpenBSD now comes fully optimized out of the box. Yes, I did

Thinkpad x61 can see 3 GB of RAM out of total 4 GB

2008-04-08 Thread Zoong PHAM
My new Thinkpad x61 has 4 GB of RAM. The BIOS can see 4 GB. OBSD-4.2 and 4.3 (snapshot 07/04/2008), both i386 and amd64, can see only 3 GB. What can I do to make OBSD see all the RAM? FYI, the Windows XP that preinstalled by IBM can also see only 3 GB. Thanks, Zoong PHAM

Re: relayd and pf states

2008-04-08 Thread Need Coffee
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Tautvydas Bruzas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you read archives it's a known problem with sticky-address. If you remove sticky-address everything works as expected. I searched for hours before posting, I guess I need to pick different keywords or

Re: macosx vs winxp: pf packet blocking

2008-04-08 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Damon McMahon wrote: Hello Jake, On 08/04/2008, at 11:07 AM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: have spent a fair deal of time working with pf and have just seen what appears to be quite a bizarre problem: topology is (internet)--pppoe--(openbsd fw - running 4.2-release)--switch--(wired/wifi router).