Re: vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread G S Osler
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 19:33 -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > acme(1) > > Or sam(1) if you are a purist. > emacs nXML mode https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/nxml-mode.html + Practical Ontologies for Information Professionals, David Stuart

Re: vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> In all seriousness, Richard Stallman incurred a repetitive stress injury > from using emacs commands. Holding down Ctrl or Alt can be bad for your > health. That's why I generally use vi even though there are things I don't > like and wish there were a better choice by default. acme(1)

Re: vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> acme(1) Or sam(1) if you are a purist.

Re: vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
ed() QED. On 18 May 2016 at 14:33, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > acme(1) > > Or sam(1) if you are a purist.

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread Jay Patel
I would like to see openbsd.org in http://openbsdfoundation.org/ this style On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Joakim Frostegård < joakim.frosteg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I’ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the > in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org

vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread trebol55555
// mg(1) // // […] It is compatible with emacs because // there shouldn't be any reason to learn more editor types than emacs or // vi(1). // // Where is the troll, where is the silly troll? The sarcasm doesn't work good in an email, so: - Use the editor you like, editors war is the

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread Fred
On 05/17/16 08:11, Joakim Frostegård wrote: Hi, I’ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org . It’s available at http://greatest-ape.github.io/openbsd-site/public_html/

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 09:11:44AM +0200, Joakim Frosteg??rd wrote: > Hi, > > I???ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the > in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org . > > It???s available at http://greatest-ape.github.io/openbsd-site/public_html/ >

Re:

2016-05-17 Thread Ruslanas Gžibovskis
I prefer MSDOS edit, or cat, cause I do not cook dogs well :), If formatting needed, then I use cowsay :) or cowthink, it does formatting. yes, sed -i is ok, but I think awk, would do a little bit better (today)... Also python is quite good editor... On 17 May 2016 at 02:02,

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread bytevolcano
The reason the OpenBSD site hasn't changed for years, aka. "aged", is because there is no need to change just for change's sake. A lot of problems in this world are caused by the young generation being taught to "ALWAYS IMPLEMENT CHANGE!" by new-agey college professors and teachers. In fact,

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread ludovic coues
2016-05-17 9:11 GMT+02:00 Joakim Frostegård : > Hi, > > I’ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the > in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org . > > It’s available at http://greatest-ape.github.io/openbsd-site/public_html/ >

Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread Joakim Frostegård
Hi, I’ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org . It’s available at http://greatest-ape.github.io/openbsd-site/public_html/ with the repo at

vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread trebol55555
// mg(1) // // […] It is compatible with emacs because // there shouldn't be any reason to learn more editor types than emacs or // vi(1). // // Where is the troll, where is the silly troll? Well, the sarcasm doesn't work good in a mail, so: - Use the editor that you like, editors

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread Marko Cupać
On Tue, 17 May 2016 09:23:26 +0100 Fred wrote: > I do not see how this is improving the life of the developers who are > doing a fantastic job building a great operating system. What about improving the life of admins and users who are doing a fantastic job with help of a

Re: your mail

2016-05-17 Thread Roderick
On Mon, 16 May 2016, 1 9 wrote: What editor? vim or emacs? what is the reason? What editor? ed Why? Ed is the standard text editor. Every other decision is a personal choice, a matter of taste. Some years ago this was clear with "man ed": -- ED(1) NAME

Re:

2016-05-17 Thread lists
Mon, 16 May 2016 10:47:02 + 1 9 > What editor? vim or emacs? what is the reason? You can NOT tell or ask which one, people have different minds. You will use what you like, and NOT tell others what they like. If you want to feel at home with UNIX and OpenBSD, it's

Re: your mail

2016-05-17 Thread Paul Suh
Bah, humbug! TECO Rulez! > On May 17, 2016, at 5:47 AM, Roderick wrote: > > On Mon, 16 May 2016, 1 9 wrote: > >> What editor? vim or emacs? what is the reason? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]

Re: letsencrypt redux

2016-05-17 Thread Joerg Jung
> Am 15.05.2016 um 18:56 schrieb Kristaps Dzonsons : > > A few days ago, there was a thread regarding letsencrypt clients and > their, um, cavalier approach to security. Since I like my free certs > and I like automation, and I also like not worrying about being owned, I >

Re: syslog-ng+ELK

2016-05-17 Thread BARDOU Pierre
Hello, I use ELK for all my system/firewall logs. It gathers linux, windows, ASA, pflog and all appliances syslogs very well, despite the high number of messages (actually more than 1 000 000 000/week). You can configure logstah filtering to suit your needs. Kibana interface is very efficient,

Static webpages with OpenBSD - success stories

2016-05-17 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Hello, yesterday I've been at an interesting presentation of pelican (it was a git+pelican+fabric gramework), in order to create static websites and I very much appreciated the topic. I had also recently had a look at jekill (which looks kinda promising), but discovered that there is a whole

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
It definitely looks better on my iPhone. Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2016, at 2:11 AM, Joakim Frostegård wrote: > > Hi, > > I’ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the > in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org . > > It’s

IPv6 fragmentation woes

2016-05-17 Thread Laurent CARON
Hi, Setup: OpenBSD 5.9 box Network interface: ix (Intel 1G/10G X520) ix0: flags=18843 mtu 1500 lladdr 90:e2:ba:ba:c5:cc priority: 0 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT full-duplex,rxpause,txpause) status: active

Re: letsencrypt redux

2016-05-17 Thread Kristaps Dzonsons
>> It's designed to run on OpenBSD but works crappily on Mac OS X and >> Linux. Crappily because both are hostile to good security practises. >> I'm not going to put any extra effort into these for compatibility. > > I think you already added a lot of compatibility goo. > Might have been better

Re: Static webpages with OpenBSD - success stories

2016-05-17 Thread Rick Hanson
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: > Hello, Hi! > yesterday I've been at an interesting presentation of pelican (it was a > git+pelican+fabric gramework), in order to create static websites and I > very much appreciated the topic. I had also recently had

Re: IPv6 fragmentation woes

2016-05-17 Thread Christoph Viethen
Hello, on 17.05.2016 14:05, Laurent CARON wrote: When sending a ping 6 to a destination not accepting fragmented packets, I experience loss with "big" (but < 1500) packets. % ping6 -s 1234 2001:7f8:54::250 Ex: 14:03:07.959532 2001:7f8:54::145 > 2001:7f8:54::250: frag (0xbfb11fea:1232@0+)

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread trondd
On Tue, May 17, 2016 3:11 am, Joakim FrostegÃ¥rd wrote: > Hi, > > Iâ**ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the > in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org . > > Iâ**ve tried to keep the page without bells and whistles, that is: > * Just static HTML and CSS > * No

Re: I am thankful for OpenBSD quality docs

2016-05-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Paul, Paul Suh wrote on Tue, May 17, 2016 at 09:20:45AM -0400: > I've been playing over at Alpine Linux, to get support for a WiFi card > that is not supported under OpenBSD. Their installation instructions > and general documentation are horribly confused and outdated. I don't know about

I am thankful for OpenBSD quality docs

2016-05-17 Thread Paul Suh
Folks, I've been playing over at Alpine Linux, to get support for a WiFi card that is not supported under OpenBSD. Their installation instructions and general documentation are horribly confused and outdated. Makes me long for our goodness here. --Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of

Re: I am thankful for OpenBSD quality docs

2016-05-17 Thread Donald Allen
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Paul Suh wrote on Tue, May 17, 2016 at 09:20:45AM -0400: > >> I've been playing over at Alpine Linux, to get support for a WiFi card >> that is not supported under OpenBSD. Their installation instructions >>

Re: I am thankful for OpenBSD quality docs

2016-05-17 Thread Theo de Raadt
> But Alpine Linux is unique with respect to documentation in more > than one way: It is the first Linux distro that ever used mandoc(1) > by default - since June 2011, more than a year before NetBSD, more > than three years before FreeBSD and illumos. It is the first other > operating system to

Re: vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread noah pugsley
You are all wrong. The correct answer is pico. On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:36 PM, wrote: > // mg(1) > // > // […] It is compatible with emacs because > // there shouldn't be any reason to learn more editor types than emacs > or > // vi(1). > // > // Where is the

Re: IPv6 fragmentation woes

2016-05-17 Thread Christoph Viethen
I tried "ping6 2001:7f8:54::250" myself right now. Sorry, that should have read: "I tried $ ping6 -s 1234 2001:7f8:54::145 " (I did send the packets to ..::145 , not the other one)

Re: Static webpages with OpenBSD - success stories

2016-05-17 Thread attila
Paolo Aglialoro writes: > Hello, > > yesterday I've been at an interesting presentation of pelican (it was a > git+pelican+fabric gramework), in order to create static websites and I > very much appreciated the topic. I had also recently had a look at jekill > (which looks

hostname.carp - CARP Bootup Woes Correct layout / format for >=5.9 - man page for hostname.carp

2016-05-17 Thread Andy Lemin
Hi Misc, Since 5.9 (maybe earlier), we noticed that our CARP interfaces no longer behave as before, don't initialise properly on boot up, and throw errors at boot. I know there has been lots of changes, especially IPv6. So hopefully this is a simple question and I'm just being stupid, and unable

Re: I am thankful for OpenBSD quality docs

2016-05-17 Thread Paul Suh
> On May 17, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Donald Allen wrote: > > My point is that good documentation is not > easy to do, something I think many of us tend to forget. It's also > less fun than writing code. Things like K that explain their subject > so concisely and yet completely

vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread trebol55555
mg(1) […] It is compatible with emacs because there shouldn't be any reason to learn more editor types than emacs or vi(1). Where is the troll, where is the silly troll?

Re: I am thankful for OpenBSD quality docs

2016-05-17 Thread andrew fabbro
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > In general, BSD documentation tends to be better > than Linux documentation A while back, feeling somewhat bitter after struggling with Linux docs after growing accustomed to OpenBSD docs, I made this image which

Re: Static webpages with OpenBSD - success stories

2016-05-17 Thread Carson Chittom
Paolo Aglialoro writes: > After a quick peek on openports I have seen pelican present, but couldn't > identify more. On hugo webpage there's a package for OpenBSD > https://github.com/spf13/hugo/releases I just this week started using Pelican, largely because it *is* in

Re: hostname.carp - CARP Bootup Woes Correct layout / format for >=5.9 - man page for hostname.carp

2016-05-17 Thread Martin Pieuchot
On 17/05/16(Tue) 16:37, Andy Lemin wrote: > Hi Misc, > > Since 5.9 (maybe earlier), we noticed that our CARP interfaces no longer > behave as before, don't initialise properly on boot up, and throw errors at > boot. > > I know there has been lots of changes, especially IPv6. So hopefully this >

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread lists
Tue, 17 May 2016 09:11:44 +0200 Joakim Frostegård > I’ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the > in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org . > It’s available at http://greatest-ape.github.io/openbsd-site/public_html/ You did a wonderful

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread Ted Unangst
Joakim Frostegård wrote: > The idea is to replace index.html but for all other pages just > replace the stylesheets. In so far, I’ve included a few other > pages, including plat.html, goals.html and alpha.html. > > I’ve tried to keep the page without bells and whistles, that is: > * Just static

Re: Is loss of read-only /usr permanent?

2016-05-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > UPS do fail too btw. I had to rip some cheap APC ones out because > > they caused more downtime than they saved! > > Did you just copy paste this line from somewhere? You can't handle a > battery replacement, and you're advising read only file system mounts. I sometimes agree with some

Re: Acer Aspire V5-571 WiFi card and Click Pad help

2016-05-17 Thread Siju George
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Ulf Brosziewski < ulf.brosziew...@t-online.de> wrote: > X doesn't recognize the touchpad as clickpad automatically. Open > an X-terminal and enter > $ synclient ClickPad=1 > This will enable click-and-drag/select actions with two fingers. For > emulating

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread lists
Tue, 17 May 2016 13:04:26 -0400 "Ted Unangst" > Joakim Frostegård wrote: > > The idea is to replace index.html but for all other pages just > > replace the stylesheets. In so far, I’ve included a few other > > pages, including plat.html, goals.html and alpha.html. > > > >

Re: vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread Daniel Wilkins
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:25:45AM +0100, trebol55...@yandex.ru wrote: > mg(1) > > […] It is compatible with emacs because > there shouldn't be any reason to learn more editor types than emacs or > vi(1). > > Where is the troll, where is the silly troll? > Given enough time, a

Re: Is loss of read-only /usr permanent?

2016-05-17 Thread Mike Larkin
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:45:55PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > > UPS do fail too btw. I had to rip some cheap APC ones out because > > > they caused more downtime than they saved! > > > > Did you just copy paste this line from somewhere? You can't handle a > > battery replacement, and

Mod_rewrite.so use

2016-05-17 Thread STeve Andre'
Sorry not my usual mail program Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com --- Forwarded message --- From: STeve Andre' Date: May 17, 2016 4:16:13 PM Subject: Mod_rewrite.so use I am creating a Web server using apache2. For the moment I need to use it. To enable

Re: Static webpages with OpenBSD - success stories

2016-05-17 Thread Predrag Punosevac
OpenBSD is shipped with the static webpage generator (sort of). It is called mandoc. man mandoc and check out -T html switch. If you ask me this http://mdocml.bsd.lv/ and this http://manpages.bsd.lv/history.html are pretty darn good looking static websites. They are generated with mandoc.

Re: Static webpages with OpenBSD - success stories

2016-05-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Predrag, Predrag Punosevac wrote on Tue, May 17, 2016 at 06:59:15PM -0400: > OpenBSD is shipped with the static webpage generator (sort of). > It is called mandoc. man mandoc and check out -T html switch. That one is a bit specialized: for manual pages. =:c) True, i once heard of one

Re: vi vs emacs, which one makes me look more smart in front of my friends?

2016-05-17 Thread Pavan Maddamsetti
In all seriousness, Richard Stallman incurred a repetitive stress injury from using emacs commands. Holding down Ctrl or Alt can be bad for your health. That's why I generally use vi even though there are things I don't like and wish there were a better choice by default.