Re: Completeness consistency, was: A sad thread

2008-01-08 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:09:47 -0500 Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, I do not believe that there is necessarily no complete and entirely correct *physical* theory out there to be discovered. Is it not the case that you can show that you cannot prove a system both complete and

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, when people use the word free, even within a particular context, anyone would be able to understand what that person was talking about within an acceptable level of error. I don't think so -- that is too much to ask. In any

Re: mmap() on i386

2008-01-08 Thread Karl Karlsson
2008/1/8, Karl Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/1/8, Antoine Jacoutot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Bjvrn Ketelaars wrote: My question: Is it possible that there is a problem with mmap() on i386? For what it's worth, I'm seeing the same behaviour under macppc, rtorrent

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Siju George
On Jan 8, 2008 3:10 AM, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dusty wrote: WHY, please really, tell me WHY you do not do your own research. Everybody on this list would LOVE to know why you do not do any of your own research?!?!?!?!!? Honestly I am not interested why this moron does not

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/01/07 16:44, bofh wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 11:39 AM, Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering... what could be the worse thing that could happen if the firmware is badly written, say for a wireless device? Could it be possible to bring the whole system down? Or would it just

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and the FSF for OpenBSD? If OpenBSD does not need my endorsement, then OpenBSD developers should not need to argue with me that I owe them an endorsement. What

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? My method is to ask other people to do it for me. I use that method because it is efficient. Its results are accurate, too. However, when a person tells me

Re: mmap() on i386

2008-01-08 Thread Karl Karlsson
2008/1/8, Antoine Jacoutot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Bjvrn Ketelaars wrote: My question: Is it possible that there is a problem with mmap() on i386? For what it's worth, I'm seeing the same behaviour under macppc, rtorrent often takes the system down. -- Antoine Crashes

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread Nick Guenther
On Jan 7, 2008 7:22 AM, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/4/08, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you verify the whole disk is readable? And if it's all readable, how do you ensure the data is still the same pattern you put on before? the posting von hannah shows what to

Re: How to find all package files

2008-01-08 Thread Bernd Ahlers
Russell Gadd [Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 03:33:22PM +] wrote: I am new to OpenBSD and I am not sure what is the correct way to find packages. For example I have tried to install the xfce window manager, and at first I looked at the list of files in the packages list and there were a lot of

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-08 Thread xavier brinon
a famous one, let S be the set of all elements that do not belong to S On Jan 8, 2008 3:10 AM, Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just recently, I said: On the other hand, well-formed statements can talk about some of their properties in certain systems. If worse comes to worse, you can

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Jan Stary
On Jan 08 00:13:19, Reid Nichol wrote: --- Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and the FSF for OpenBSD? If OpenBSD does not need my endorsement, then OpenBSD developers should not need to argue with me

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread Khalid Schofield
On 8 Jan 2008, at 08:08, Nick Guenther wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 7:22 AM, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/4/08, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you verify the whole disk is readable? And if it's all readable, how do you ensure the data is still the same pattern you put on

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-08 Thread Pau Amaro-Seoane
Poor Targus... go to an internet cafe and check there your emails 2008/1/8, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 1/7/08, Andreas Maus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:19:26PM -0500, Dave Anderson wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Pau Amaro-Seoane wrote: loosen up a bit,

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-08 Thread Pete Vickers
Well this sounds very much to me like 'We know (for example) Windows security is weak by design, but it's not MS's fault for a crap system, it's the bad guys fault for actually realising it'. I disagree, MS have no excuse for not providing sufficient/suitable security in their products,

Re: Error updating 4.2 - permission denied

2008-01-08 Thread Shane J Pearson
On 22/12/2007, at 12:47 AM, kim wrote: Could anyone offer some help with an upgrading problem with 4.2 - stable? The source tree and ports were installed from the official CD, and upgraded with: Update source tree: cd /usr/src cvs -d [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs -q up -rOPENBSD_4_2 -Pd

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Janne Johansson
L wrote: Karthik Kumar wrote: Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not allow them to be redistributed with the system. You are talking of free as in freedom and not price, right? If the whole point was to avoid paying $$$ in OpenBSD, my bad. The GNG foundation

Hard disk speed

2008-01-08 Thread Manuel Ravasio
Hello list. Can anyone suggest me a way to measure a hard disk speed? I'm thinking about a tool like linux's hdparm / sdparm A simple solution could be measuring the time required for the generation of a big file, something like time dd if=/dev/zero of=/some/file bs=whatever count=whatever,

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Shane J Pearson
On 06/01/2008, at 9:47 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: Would you be so kind as to tell me the precise URLs where you found those quotes? If not, I will look for someone else who will do that for me. You know that saying, if you want something done right, you do it yourself? I'd be adhering

Re: avoiding a mac address filter

2008-01-08 Thread scott
If your student driver declares their intent to learn to drive so as to be able to run someone down and you teach as a means to that end, then, yes, in most jurisdictions, you share culpability. /S -Original Message- From: Pete Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andreas Maus [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hard disk speed

2008-01-08 Thread Nick Holland
Manuel Ravasio wrote: Hello list. Can anyone suggest me a way to measure a hard disk speed? I'm thinking about a tool like linux's hdparm / sdparm A simple solution could be measuring the time required for the generation of a big file, something like time dd if=/dev/zero of=/some/file

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread Alexander Hall
Gregg Reynolds wrote: On 1/7/08, Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nicodache wrote: I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap, fucking duck with tape, shutting up things. I have never seen

Re: Linus about C++

2008-01-08 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 06:36:42PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:37:54AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: Wow one comprehensive list of the suckage that is C++. Thanks Miod now I dont need to type examples anymore. I will probably regret this, but all of these issues

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread knitti
On 1/7/08, Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nicodache wrote: I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap, fucking duck with tape, shutting up things. If if walks like a duck and talks

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:48:03AM +, Khalid Schofield wrote: On 8 Jan 2008, at 08:08, Nick Guenther wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 7:22 AM, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the posting von hannah shows what to do. Ths big picture is this: Backup (and/or archiving) is not fire-and-forget. You have

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 08:01:56AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008/01/07 16:44, bofh wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 11:39 AM, Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering... what could be the worse thing that could happen if the firmware is badly written, say for a wireless device?

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-08 15:33]: I'm seriously looking into getting a tape drive but, of course, I can't afford a new one. I'll see what I can get on the commercial-used market (not eBay) with a bit of a waranty (beyond DOA). Right now, it would be connected to my

Re: Hard disk speed

2008-01-08 Thread Manuel Ravasio
Write a random number on a piece of paper. I'd suggest 42 for laughs. At least people will understand how you derived it. From a book? Better: from THE book? :-) You can't just define something as complicated as hard disk speed in one number. Or twenty numbers. Ok, I got the idea. time +

Re: Advice requested on security issues

2008-01-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:04:42PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 11:32:09AM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 5:55 AM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, but when I go from an OpenBSD box via ssh to a debian box to run apps, then that doesn't

Re: spamd-setup hangup/timeout settings

2008-01-08 Thread Frank Bax
Florian Fuessl wrote: Frank Bax wrote: My spamd-setup always takes 20-30 minutes on two servers (4.1 and 4.2). This is not normal? When I run it manually; most of the time is spent downloading traplist.gz This morning, I changed the crontab time /usr/libexec/spamd-setup -d 4.1 runtimes

Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Sewan
Hi, I have an apache-php website running on windows server 2003 port 80, i have correct rdr rules that pointing my web server, i can view website inside my LAN, but i can't view page outside of my network. I've checked all dns- ip settings, everything's fine but problem continues. I've read at

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 03:37:36PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: I know that the FAQ says to just use dump to make backups but what if you want a tape of a specific group of files for archiving? When last did the dump format change? Since it reads the filesystem directly, I'd assume

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Sewan wrote: Hi, I have an apache-php website running on windows server 2003 port 80, i have correct rdr rules that pointing my web server, i can view website inside my LAN, but i can't view page outside of my network. I've checked all dns- ip settings,

Re: Pre-Orders for Limited Edition Puffy the Blowfish

2008-01-08 Thread Sunnz
2008/1/8, Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do you have a website that has pictures, the mail server stripped your attachemnts Sam Fourman Jr. I second that, me want see pictures!!! -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I know that the FAQ says to just use dump to make backups but what if you want a tape of a specific group of files for archiving? When last did the dump format change? Since it reads the filesystem directly, I'd assume that its

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-08 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/7/08, Floor Terra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: =Offtopic== Can you recommend a book about Godel and his works? I have read A World Without Time from Palle Yourgrau and would like to learn more about his work. I'm afraid I cannot; I'm a rank amateur who couldn't possibly understand

Re: Hard disk speed

2008-01-08 Thread Unix Fan
You can use iostat(8) if you're trying to ascertain the transfer rate the of drive... are you? $ iostat -d wd0 cd0 cd1 fd0 KB/t t/s MB/s KB/t t/s MB/s KB/t t/s MB/s KB/t t/s MB/s 18.10 1 0.03 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 3.88

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Tim Donahue
Quoting Sewan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I have an apache-php website running on windows server 2003 port 80, i have correct rdr rules that pointing my web server, i can view website inside my LAN, but i can't view page outside of my network. I've checked all dns- ip settings, everything's fine

Re: download problems

2008-01-08 Thread Frank Bax
Doug: Just curious. Does the same problem exist on your OpenBSD boxes? You can also use lynx if you don't have wget installed. time lynx -dump http://www.openbsd.org/spamd/traplist.gz /dev/null Frank Frank Bax wrote: Doug: I've been noticing that my systems seem to sometimes hang at

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 8, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: However, if you have one directory you wish to put on tape, e.g. as an archive of old OS .iso's (in case the origionals get scratched), as far as I know, you can't use dump (which is only for entire filesystems). Or, is there any reason

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/01/08 10:29, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: However, if you have one directory you wish to put on tape, e.g. as an archive of old OS .iso's (in case the origionals get scratched), as far as I know, you can't use dump (which is only for entire filesystems). dump(8) manual says:

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Antti Harri
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Sewan wrote: I have an apache-php website running on windows server 2003 port 80, i have correct rdr rules that pointing my web server, i can view website inside my LAN, but i can't view page outside of my network. I've checked all dns- ip settings, everything's fine but

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-08 Thread chefren
On 01/07/08 02:23, Francisco J. Tsao Santin wrote: And I don't understand how important people that I admire can fall down in so childish discussion. Maybe because those people are not so thoughtful and thus important as you thought? I'm ashamed as free software supporter and I feel

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread chefren
On 01/07/08 18:15, Richard Stallman wrote: So... 'ethically' the TiVo ma as well be a circuit, since users don't usually install software on it? Users did install software on it, and that's why Tivo tivoized it. So... Your intentioned thinking that gNewSense is clear holds up while

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:47:10 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't think OpenBSD users understand what you mean by recommend non-free software, I explained it earlier in this thread. so if you could, please, give an example by showing

Re: Pre-Orders for Limited Edition Puffy the Blowfish

2008-01-08 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
- I still haven't seen any pictures - I'm waiting for Theo's Wim's approval of this Best Martin I agree, I would generally purchase anything that would help the OpenBSD project but on the other hand unless someone from the OpenBSD project halfway approves of this I would not purchase

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Siju George
On Jan 8, 2008 5:09 PM, Janne Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: L wrote: Karthik Kumar wrote: Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not allow them to be redistributed with the system. You are talking of free as in freedom and not price, right? If the whole

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Andrés
Gobuntu also has the problem that its name is so close to Ubuntu that people would get them confused. Practically speaking it is not feasible to recommend Gobuntu without recommending Ubuntu. But you _do_ recommend _Linux_ even when Torvalds' version of Linux is not free software! And let me put

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-08 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:21:03AM -0600, Gregg Reynolds wrote: On 1/7/08, Floor Terra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: =Offtopic== Can you recommend a book about Godel and his works? I have read A World Without Time from Palle Yourgrau and would like to learn more about his work. I'm

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread chefren
On 01/07/08 12:31, Richard Stallman wrote: Those quotes do not show gNewSense includes non-free software. What's interesting is that they admit they cannot find all blobs without truly reading and understanding the code, they lack people for it. They say they can't reliably find

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Dag Richards
Sewan wrote: Hi, I have an apache-php website running on windows server 2003 port 80, i have correct rdr rules that pointing my web server, i can view website inside my LAN, but i can't view page outside of my network. I've checked all dns- ip settings, everything's fine but problem continues.

Re: Advice requested on security issues

2008-01-08 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:48:41AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I suppose the only way to have a trusted-secure box and an untrusted-insecure box with one disply/keyboard would be a KVM. This is pretty much the case - depends on what you want to trust. If you trust the X server and the OS

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-08 17:31]: On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 03:37:36PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: I know that the FAQ says to just use dump to make backups but what if you want a tape of a specific group of files for archiving? When last did the dump format

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Sewan
i have rdr on $ext_if proto tcp to 212.175.219.188/32 port 80 - 172.15.254.207 rule for this operation, if i use same rdr rule with changing destination ip to an iis web server inside LAN, it works, but when i change to this web server (2003-apache-php one) it don't work Johan Beisser

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread Rico Secada
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:46:43 -0700 L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: I hope that the other OpenBSD developers will repudiate such conduct. You said the other openbsd developers. In this context, it implies that I am an OpenBSD developer. The other means that I am

Re: download problems

2008-01-08 Thread Andreas Maus
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 11:03:50AM -0500, Frank Bax wrote: Doug: Just curious. Does the same problem exist on your OpenBSD boxes? You can also use lynx if you don't have wget installed. time lynx -dump http://www.openbsd.org/spamd/traplist.gz /dev/null Frank Well, of couse it

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:18:10 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Didn't you do that right from the start when you came to our lists to post the wrong conclusions you draw from your un-researched assumptions? That is not what happened. I stated an accurate

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:18:15 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't carry a mobile phone, but I don't see anything wrong in borrowing one from someone to make a call. So if it is a new model of cell phone and if the owner teaches you how to use it and

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Errr.. why the hell are you running Apache and PHP on Windows rather than your OpenBSD? Because Stallman make it easy to run *HIS* version of *SUPPOSE* free software one Windows. That's why. Stallman as the various treads pointed out many times over, he (Richard) tell everyone else to do

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:58:48 +0800, Koh Choon Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is the FSF preparing to treat OBSD as one of the free OS they recommend? Who cares. OpenBSD just doesn't like misinformation spread about it. I have no connection to the OBSD project, but I hope it never has anything to do

Re: Hard disk speed

2008-01-08 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Manuel Ravasio wrote: You can't just define something as complicated as hard disk speed in one number. Or twenty numbers. Ok, I got the idea. time + dd will do. Just remember, that would be kind of fine for the same OS, but not that reliable between different OS. As long as you try

Re: mmap() on i386

2008-01-08 Thread Kevin Stam
Jeez, perhaps btpd should finally support protocol encryption? Last time I checked it didn't. A surprising number of ISPs limit BitTorrent traffic, and more and more seeders, including me, can only be connected to via a client that supports encryption. Until btpd gets around to supporting this,

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread bofh
There's the possibility that the isp blocks it. I'm using fios - and inbound 80 is blocked. On 1/8/08, johan beisser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Sewan wrote: Hi, I have an apache-php website running on windows server 2003 port 80, i have correct rdr rules

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:52:18 +0530, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash player on your machine (your example a little bit later in this mail seems to indicate you have at least installed it). That's non-free software you've

Re: Completeness consistency, was: A sad thread

2008-01-08 Thread Predrag Punosevac
Eliah Kagan wrote: Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: When you mathematically formalize a physical theory, you use a system that is powerful enough to formulate the theory's physical claims. That system is also going to be powerful enough to formulate all sorts of other stuff, things that

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:09:42 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: - vendor A sells hardware that requires a firmware - OpenBSD wants to support that hardware and needs the firmware to be shipped, say in /etc/firmware/, to have the

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Dusty
My response was similar. Throw away our windows box and put your site on the bsd box. On Jan 8, 2008 7:00 PM, Antti Harri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Sewan wrote: I have an apache-php website running on windows server 2003 port 80, i have correct rdr rules that pointing

Re: NAT IPV4 and bridge only IPV6

2008-01-08 Thread Marc Balmer
Good Good wrote: Thank you for your answers. Free.fr http://Free.fr is the first general public ISP in France to provide IPV6 to its customers (it seems that I would be lucky) :) Marc is right, with a /64 I cannot do anything, my ISP seems to be skinflint (/64 or nothing). talk to them

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:46:37 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off, Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk began,

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:07:02PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: No it does not. During boot a Linux kernel will check AND UPDATE microcode to CPUs if necessary. I did not know that. That is not good. I will have to think about what we should do about this. Perhaps remove that

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:07:13PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: All their answers that we have discussed here have been accurate. I've explained the facts here in detail many times, so I won't repeat. So why did you have to retract several endorsements? Why did you have to change your

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Nick Ryan
Make sure that the windows 2003 firewall isn't set up to block web access. It's caught me out before in the past, although that was on SBS2003. See if you can telnet to port 80 from the OpenBSD firewall to the external interface on the windows box. On 8 Jan 2008, at 17:04, Sewan wrote:

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-08 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:06:31PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: So you are basically saying that being a bum is ethical. I see nothing wrong with it, but recall that bum means a person who does no useful work. I work most of my waking hours, and the people who support me in various

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread chefren
On 01/07/08 18:16, Richard Stallman wrote: When I want research, I ask people to do it. That is efficient, and we have not seen any errors in it. And what about the research that should have made gNewSense up to your standards? The intention of good research is enough to prevent any errors

Re: OSS v4.0 released under BSD license

2008-01-08 Thread Andrés
Jacob Meuser wrote: the current audio system actually supports a wider variety of audio devices. Sorry for the non-technically-based question but, couldn't OpenBSD contribute its development to audio drivers to OSS so all operating systems using it could benefit? And then OpenBSD could support

Re: mmap() on i386

2008-01-08 Thread Niall O'Higgins
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 08:33:10AM +0100, Karl Karlsson wrote: 2008/1/8, Karl Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/1/8, Antoine Jacoutot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Bjvrn Ketelaars wrote: My question: Is it possible that there is a problem with mmap() on i386?

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:07:54PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Users did install software on it, and that's why Tivo tivoized it. Nope. I bought my TiVo and it was ready to go. We are talking about two different questions. All I do is pay $5 a month and select

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:58:37 -0500, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Errr.. why the hell are you running Apache and PHP on Windows rather than your OpenBSD? Because Stallman make it easy to run *HIS* version of *SUPPOSE* free software one Windows. That's why. Stallman as the various

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:16:04 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and the FSF for OpenBSD? If OpenBSD does not need my endorsement, then OpenBSD developers should not need to argue with me that I

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Sewan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rdr on $ext_if proto tcp to 212.175.219.188/32 port 80 - 172.15.254.207 the next question then is, what's the matching pass rule? rule for this operation, if i use same rdr rule with changing destination ip to an iis web server inside LAN, it works, but when

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:07:11PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: They say they can't reliably find all the binary-only firmware. Nobody's perfect. Why not? We found all of them and made sure they have proper licenses on them. The job you did is easier, because you only

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:04:03AM -0800, Sewan wrote: i have rdr on $ext_if proto tcp to 212.175.219.188/32 port 80 - 172.15.254.207 rule for this operation, if i use same rdr rule with changing destination ip to an iis web server inside LAN, it works, but when i change to this web

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:31:20 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Since plants can be easily replicated, why are we buying food from farmers? I'm not against buying software from developers (as long as it is free software). See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html.

Re: NAT IPV4 and bridge only IPV6

2008-01-08 Thread Good Good
Thank you for your answers. Free.fr is the first general public ISP in France to provide IPV6 to its customers (it seems that I would be lucky) :) Marc is right, with a /64 I cannot do anything, my ISP seems to be skinflint (/64 or nothing). A /48 should be better especially to be routed (in my

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Siju George
On Jan 9, 2008 12:36 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but after your list of recommended OSes and Software please give a list of Software and OSes you *actually use* for example like debian. I use gNewSense. Nothing else? Be Frank.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:31:16 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But what about the different case where the company permits redistribution of the binary firmware, but does not release source code. Would OpenBSD distribute the firmware in that case? Of course

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:31:11 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This has been discussed many times and it shouldn't take long for you or your minions to find out that we do not care about the source of firmware which doesn't load into OpenBSD. The people who do

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:14:59 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when you say recommend in this context what you actually mean appears (based on the discussion here) to be something that most people would express as not

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:30:58 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake. And this mistake has blown up in to this thread with this ongoing argument. Their report was either not as accurate as you seem to think, or you're

Re: Pre-Orders for Limited Edition Puffy the Blowfish

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:42:41 +0800, openbsd puffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I can assure you this is not some email scam from africa, This is a completely legitimate offer, and will be funded and shipped from the US. Though I am currently travelling in Asia. IF you dont want one you dont have to

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Dusty
On Jan 8, 2008 9:07 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: equating firmwares with blobs is an RMS-thing, In Linux terminology, blobs means firmware and only firmware. It appears that the word has a different meaning in OpenBSD terminology. Thus, we had a failure of communication.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Steve Shockley
Marco Peereboom wrote: I don't think so. We check for this before we buy hardware. I'd bet money that you have hardware that requires driver assist. I doubt it; if he needs to use a device that doesn't meet his criteria for free (like a cell phone), he just has someone else carry it around

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On Jan 8, 2008 8:06 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With free software, users don't have to pay the distribution fee in order to use the software. They can copy the program from a friend who has a copy, or with the help of a friend who has network access. That is

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On Jan 8, 2008 8:07 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be *your* usual interpretation of the revised BSD license Eben Moglen says that it is nearly universal among lawyers. As this is a legal issue, I have confidence in him. Yeah, yeah. You have confidence in Eben

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-08 Thread chefren
On 1/8/08 11:28 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: 2. Same NIC without flash/ROM bad Eh, that's just a meaningless pile of transistors. +++chefren

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Daniel Anderson
Aside from missing pass, you seem to be using network notation on this rule, not sure why..but do this instead: rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp to $ext_if port 80 - 172.15.254.207 Assuming your $ext_if has one IP and you want that IP to go internal. If your $ext_if has multiple addresses, well

Re: NAT IPV4 and bridge only IPV6

2008-01-08 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/01/08 22:15, Marc Balmer wrote: Good Good wrote: Thank you for your answers. Free.fr http://Free.fr is the first general public ISP in France to provide IPV6 to its customers (it seems that I would be lucky) :) Marc is right, with a /64 I cannot do anything, my ISP seems to be

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-08 Thread Dusty
On Jan 8, 2008 9:07 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: equating firmwares with blobs is an RMS-thing, In Linux terminology, blobs means firmware and only firmware. It appears that the word has a different meaning in OpenBSD terminology. Thus, we had a failure of communication.

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 04:42:59PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008/01/08 10:29, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: However, if you have one directory you wish to put on tape, e.g. as an archive of old OS .iso's (in case the origionals get scratched), as far as I know, you can't use dump (which

Re: Apache box behind Openbsd

2008-01-08 Thread Predrag Punosevac
If you are using Apache on the home network you definitely want to check up your modem. I use DSL modem (in USA ) and port 80 is blocked by default. It is trivial though to log into your router (it has a web management) and adjust build in firewall and ports. Speaking of which they suck and I

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