OpenZFS announcement
http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest.
Re: OpenZFS announcement
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:37 PM, patric conant mirage.comput...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest. Odd: the wiki search on that Announcement page finds the word license in the FAQ. No single entity holds the copyright to all of the OpenZFS code, every individual contributor to OpenZFS maintains copyright to his or her changes. This means that changing the license would require participation from all contributors which makes it highly unlikely. So: convince them to do do a FUSE integration... Philip Guenther
Re: OpenZFS announcement
It is still CDDL with all the (dis)advantages that brings; depending on your perspective - nothing has changed in that respect. I.e it's purely a branding relaunch from what I can see. -Joel patric conant mirage.comput...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
current vs. older binaries
Hi, I have updated to a current snapshot (13 sept to be precise). The system starts up, but most of the application which I had installed from ports crash with a bad system call. wmaker, svn I thought we had binary compatibility and slighly older binaries would work! Specifically, here a stacktrace of wmaker: Program received signal SIGSYS, Bad system call. 0x07ca77d1 in gettimeofday () at stdin:2 2 stdin: No such file or directory. in stdin Current language: auto; currently asm Riccardo
Re: current vs. older binaries
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html Most likely the 8/13 change. 2013/9/18 Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it Hi, I have updated to a current snapshot (13 sept to be precise). The system starts up, but most of the application which I had installed from ports crash with a bad system call. wmaker, svn I thought we had binary compatibility and slighly older binaries would work! Specifically, here a stacktrace of wmaker: Program received signal SIGSYS, Bad system call. 0x07ca77d1 in gettimeofday () at stdin:2 2 stdin: No such file or directory. in stdin Current language: auto; currently asm Riccardo -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
Re: OpenZFS announcement
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 01:37:49AM -0500, patric conant wrote: http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest. bitrig (OpenBSD fork) has ongoing work to intergrate hammer filesystem from DragonflyBSD. If they would succeed, this would be more beneficial for OpenBSD. j.
Re: current vs. older binaries
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote: I have updated to a current snapshot (13 sept to be precise). The system starts up, but most of the application which I had installed from ports crash with a bad system call. wmaker, svn I thought we had binary compatibility and slighly older binaries would work! That binary compatibility was quite incomplete and only considered good enough for building the system and *NOT* for general or long-term use. Since we now have post-time_t-change snapshots for all archs, I removed the compat code. You should have followed the directions in faq/current.html which specified removing all old packages and installing new ones. I guess you'll have to do that now...though you'll now need to tell pkg_delete to not run any uninstall programs, as they'll presumably fail. Philip Guenther
Re: OpenZFS announcement
for sure ! From: Jiri B ji...@devio.us Sent: Wed Sep 18 09:12:58 CEST 2013 To: patric conant mirage.comput...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OpenZFS announcement On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 01:37:49AM -0500, patric conant wrote: http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest. bitrig (OpenBSD fork) has ongoing work to intergrate hammer filesystem from DragonflyBSD. If they would succeed, this would be more beneficial for OpenBSD. j. Cordialement Francois Pussault 3701 - 8 rue Marcel Pagnol 31100 Toulouse France +33 6 17 230 820 +33 5 34 365 269 fpussa...@contactoffice.fr
Re: OpenZFS announcement
Hi assume that OpenZFS will continue to be CDDL-licensed, and just start incorporating the changes that were developed for Illumos and FreeBSD (zpool version 5000, etc). Nothing new here. Bernd On 9/18/13 7:37 AM, patric conant wrote: http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest.
Re: Feedback about Desktop Environments
On 2013-09-18, john slee indig...@oldcorollas.org wrote: On 17 September 2013 20:37, Jes jjje...@gmail.com wrote: but if you want you can mount them in /etc/fstab. Simply read the documentation about permissions and syntax. It's very easy. For NFS the best way is mount them in /etc/fstab too. /Why/ is it the best way, though? Unlike automounters, static fstab entries don't address the problem of network filesystems being unreachable during boot. They will eventually time out and fail, requiring manual intervention. Fine if you have only a small group of systems... Failures may also rather substantially lengthen the boot process. See mount_nfs' -b option. Perhaps there are nasty side-effects of using automounters, but I've never encountered any. If there are I'd love to hear about them! One problem is that amd uses NFSv2 which is restricted in file size.
Re: current vs. older binaries
* Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it [2013-09-18 08:58:22 +0200]: Hi, I have updated to a current snapshot (13 sept to be precise). The system starts up, but most of the application which I had installed from ports crash with a bad system call. wmaker, svn I thought we had binary compatibility and slighly older binaries would work! Specifically, here a stacktrace of wmaker: Program received signal SIGSYS, Bad system call. 0x07ca77d1 in gettimeofday () at stdin:2 2 stdin: No such file or directory. in stdin Current language: auto; currently asm In spite of it being glaringly clear on the -current webpage/guide, I too made that mistake. In my case I simply did a new/fresh installation. It was the easiest way, although I did first roll back to the Jul 30 snapshot and wait for a later one to allow time for all the packages to be brought up-to-date (which I believe they are now), currently using 16/09 snapshot.
Re: current vs. older binaries
Hi, Philip Guenther wrote: That binary compatibility was quite incomplete and only considered good enough for building the system and *NOT* for general or long-term use. Since we now have post-time_t-change snapshots for all archs, I removed the compat code. You should have followed the directions in faq/current.html which specified removing all old packages and installing new ones. I guess you'll have to do that now...though you'll now need to tell pkg_delete to not run any uninstall programs, as they'll presumably fail. Philip Guenther Thanks, that was it indeed! I just didn't care and thought that if there was older version release, it would have worked inside 5.4, but that was obviously false. I should upgrade more carefully... and track current more often. I now am trying to reinstall my packages, but I get a strange error: # pkg_add subversion Can't install python-2.7.5 because of libraries |library sqlite3.25.0 not found | /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.24.0 (system): bad major I suppose something did not upgrade properly? I will try to uprgade to today's snapshot. Thanks, Riccardo
em(4) sometimes does not start
Hi, For a very long time now, and many releases I'm having this strange issue with my pfsync device which runs on an em(4) Intel 82575EB on one of the two firewalls. When I reboot it (usually to put a newer snapshot) the pfsync device does not work. The rest of the em devices (in/out) are working/starting fine. If I manually mark the interface down and run netstart then it starts working... Any hints? Can it be related that it is directly connected to the other firewall? (no switch). thanks G # cat /etc/hostname.em3 inet 10.1.3.1 255.255.255.252 NONE description PFsync up # ifconfig em3 em3: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lladdr 00:19:99:98:e4:eb description: PFsync priority: 0 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT full-duplex,master,rxpause,txpause) status: active inet 10.1.3.1 netmask 0xfffc broadcast 10.1.3.3 inet6 fe80::219:99ff:fe98:e4eb%em3 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 # ifconfig em3 down # sh netstart em3 # ifconfig em3 em3: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lladdr 00:19:99:98:e4:eb description: PFsync priority: 0 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT full-duplex,master,rxpause,txpause) status: active inet6 fe80::219:99ff:fe98:e4eb%em3 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 inet 10.1.3.1 netmask 0xfffc broadcast 10.1.3.3 Sep 18 15:05:49 server /bsd: carp: pfsync0 demoted group carp by 1 to 34 (pfsync link state down) Sep 18 15:05:49 server /bsd: carp: pfsync0 demoted group pfsync by 1 to 34 (pfsync link state down) Sep 18 15:05:49 server /bsd: carp: pfsync0 demoted group carp by -1 to 33 (pfsync bulk cancelled) Sep 18 15:05:49 server /bsd: carp: pfsync0 demoted group pfsync by -1 to 33 (pfsync bulk cancelled) Sep 18 15:05:49 server /bsd: carp: pfsync0 demoted group carp by -32 to 1 (pfsync init) Sep 18 15:05:49 server /bsd: carp: pfsync0 demoted group pfsync by -32 to 1 (pfsync init) Sep 18 15:09:53 server /bsd: carp: pfsync0 demoted group carp by -1 to 0 (pfsync link state up) Sep 18 15:09:53 server /bsd: carp: pfsync0 demoted group pfsync by -1 to 0 (pfsync link state up) OpenBSD 5.4-current (GENERIC.MP) #61: Sat Sep 14 14:04:00 MDT 2013 t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5640 @ 2.67GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.67 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,NXE,LONG,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,LAHF,PERF,ITSC real mem = 3210981376 (3062MB) avail mem = 3146760192 (3000MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 01/19/12, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdb60, SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xbf6c8000 (94 entries) bios0: vendor FUJITSU // Phoenix Technologies Ltd. version 6.00 Rev. 1.13.2619.N1 date 01/19/2012 bios0: FUJITSU PRIMERGY RX300 S6 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP TCPA SLIT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT EINJ HEST BERT SSDT ERST SPCR DMAR MCFG HPET APIC BOOT acpi0: wakeup devices PE0_(S4) PE1_(S4) PE3_(S4) PE5_(S4) PE7_(S4) PE8_(S4) PE9_(S4) PE10(S4) PE1A(S4) PE1E(S4) USB1(S1) USB2(S1) USB3(S1) USB4(S1) USB5(S1) USB6(S1) [...] acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-10 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 133MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5640 @ 2.67GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.67 GHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,NXE,LONG,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,LAHF,PERF,ITSC cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 18 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5640 @ 2.67GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.67 GHz cpu2: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,NXE,LONG,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,LAHF,PERF,ITSC cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 20 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5640 @ 2.67GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.67 GHz cpu3: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,NXE,LONG,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,LAHF,PERF,ITSC ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 3 pa 0xfec8, version 20, 24 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (PE1_) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (PE3_) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (PE5_) acpiprt4 at
Re: current vs. older binaries
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:20, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, Philip Guenther wrote: That binary compatibility was quite incomplete and only considered good enough for building the system and *NOT* for general or long-term use. Since we now have post-time_t-change snapshots for all archs, I removed the compat code. You should have followed the directions in faq/current.html which specified removing all old packages and installing new ones. I guess you'll have to do that now...though you'll now need to tell pkg_delete to not run any uninstall programs, as they'll presumably fail. Philip Guenther Thanks, that was it indeed! I just didn't care and thought that if there was older version release, it would have worked inside 5.4, but that was obviously false. I should upgrade more carefully... and track current more often. I now am trying to reinstall my packages, but I get a strange error: # pkg_add subversion Can't install python-2.7.5 because of libraries |library sqlite3.25.0 not found | /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.24.0 (system): bad major I suppose something did not upgrade properly? I will try to uprgade to today's snapshot. Yes, SQLite was just upgraded in base.
Re: OpenZFS announcement
http://open-zfs.org/wiki/About_OpenZFS Under 'Other' at the bottom: ZFS source code is copyright various contributors, and available under the CDDL open-source license. The second paragraph is amusing: OpenZFS is not associated with openzfs.org. Don't forget the dash in our URS: open-zfs.org Ken On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:37 AM, patric conant mirage.comput...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest.
synproxy and tcp window
Hi, When using synproxy state, PF seems to set the TCP window size to zero in ACK packets. This breaks some network configurations, is this normal/desired ? With synproxy state, we have win 0 : 14:33:02.934065 0800 74: 37.161.129.131.45134 192.168.1.2.80: S 1330066024:1330066024(0) win 14600 mss 1300,sackOK,timestamp 487381 0,nop,wscale 5 (DF) 14:33:02.934081 0800 58: 192.168.1.2.80 37.161.129.131.45134: S 3486079161:3486079161(0) ack 1330066025 win 0 mss 1300 (DF) [tos 0x10] With keep state, we have win 16384 : 14:33:17.408264 0800 74: 37.161.129.131.45138 192.168.1.2.80: S 1699948830:1699948830(0) win 14600 mss 1300,sackOK,timestamp 488833 0,nop,wscale 5 (DF) 14:33:17.408308 0800 78: 192.168.1.2.80 37.161.129.131.45138: S 2729008284:2729008284(0) ack 1699948831 win 16384 mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK,nop,wscale 3,nop,nop,timestamp 3670084025 488833 (DF)
Re: current vs. older binaries
Hi, Ted Unangst wrote: I suppose something did not upgrade properly? I will try to uprgade to today's snapshot. Yes, SQLite was just upgraded in base. Exactly, I had a skew between updating bae and ports, I redid it all today and I'm up and running again :) Thanks to all. R
Thinkpad ACPI support
Hi, checking ACPI on my older thinkpad T600x I notice (running current snapshot of today) I don't seem th have ACPI. I know that some older Thinkpads did have APCI disabled by bios to avoid interfering with windows (back then of course support was bad), so I read. I read in dmesg (full dmesg below) apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured I suppose that acpi is available but OpenBSD doesn't support my specific model? (my previous laptop where I was developing some ACPI code broke, thus I put in the disk in this spare computer) Riccardo OpenBSD 5.4-current (GENERIC) #54: Sat Sep 14 13:36:19 MDT 2013 t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 499 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PSE36,PSN,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 334884864 (319MB) avail mem = 317661184 (302MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 11/30/99, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd820, SMBIOS rev. 2.2 @ 0xf7690 (55 entries) bios0: vendor IBM version ITET55WW date 11/30/1999 bios0: IBM 26454EG apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd880/0x800 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf9d00/128 (6 entries) pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 11 pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 (Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #5 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xc000 cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82443BX AGP rev 0x03 intelagp0 at pchb0 agp0 at intelagp0: aperture at 0x4000, size 0x400 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82443BX AGP rev 0x03 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 Neomagic Magicgraph NM2360 rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) cbb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 TI PCI1450 CardBus rev 0x03: irq 11 cbb1 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 TI PCI1450 CardBus rev 0x03: irq 11 ATT/Lucent LTMODEM rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 not configured clcs0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Cirrus Logic CS4280/46xx CrystalClear rev 0x01: irq 11 ac97: codec id 0x43525913 (Cirrus Logic CS4297A rev 3) ac97: codec features headphone, 20 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, Crystal Semi 3D piixpcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ISA rev 0x02: unable to claim ownership from BIOS, SpeedStep disabled pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 Intel 82371AB IDE rev 0x01: DMA, channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: HTS421260H9AT00 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 57231MB, 117210240 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-C2302, 1617 ATAPI 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 Intel 82371AB USB rev 0x01: irq 11 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 7 function 3 Intel 82371AB Power rev 0x03: SMI iic0 at piixpm0 cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0 cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0xb0 pcmcia0 at cardslot0 cardslot1 at cbb1 slot 1 flags 0 cardbus1 at cardslot1: bus 5 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0xb0 pcmcia1 at cardslot1 isa0 at piixpcib0 isadma0 at isa0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt2 at isa0 port 0x3bc/4: polled npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 Intel UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 8 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges vscsi0 at root scsibus1 at vscsi0: 256 targets softraid0 at root scsibus2 at softraid0: 256 targets ne3 at pcmcia0 function 0 D-Link, DFE-670TXD, PC Card port 0xa000/32, address 00:13:46:34:0d:62 nsphyter0 at ne3 phy 1: DP83815 10/100 PHY, rev. 0 root on wd0a (378dd2c6192ddec8.a) swap on wd0b dump on wd0b clcs0: firmware loaded audio0 at clcs0 wd0(pciide0:0:0): timeout type: ata c_bcount: 4096 c_skip: 0 wd0a: device timeout writing fsbn 6592 of 6592-6599 (wd0 bn 6655; cn 6 tn 9 sn 40), retrying wd0: soft error (corrected) ne3: device timeout ne3: device timeout ne3: device timeout ne3: device timeout
Re: Thinkpad ACPI support
apm has priority over acpi. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 18:32, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, checking ACPI on my older thinkpad T600x I notice (running current snapshot of today) I don't seem th have ACPI. I know that some older Thinkpads did have APCI disabled by bios to avoid interfering with windows (back then of course support was bad), so I read. I read in dmesg (full dmesg below) apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured I suppose that acpi is available but OpenBSD doesn't support my specific model? (my previous laptop where I was developing some ACPI code broke, thus I put in the disk in this spare computer) Riccardo OpenBSD 5.4-current (GENERIC) #54: Sat Sep 14 13:36:19 MDT 2013 t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 499 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PSE36,PSN,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 334884864 (319MB) avail mem = 317661184 (302MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 11/30/99, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd820, SMBIOS rev. 2.2 @ 0xf7690 (55 entries) bios0: vendor IBM version ITET55WW date 11/30/1999 bios0: IBM 26454EG apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd880/0x800 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf9d00/128 (6 entries) pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 11 pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 (Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #5 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xc000 cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82443BX AGP rev 0x03 intelagp0 at pchb0 agp0 at intelagp0: aperture at 0x4000, size 0x400 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82443BX AGP rev 0x03 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 Neomagic Magicgraph NM2360 rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) cbb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 TI PCI1450 CardBus rev 0x03: irq 11 cbb1 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 TI PCI1450 CardBus rev 0x03: irq 11 ATT/Lucent LTMODEM rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 not configured clcs0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Cirrus Logic CS4280/46xx CrystalClear rev 0x01: irq 11 ac97: codec id 0x43525913 (Cirrus Logic CS4297A rev 3) ac97: codec features headphone, 20 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, Crystal Semi 3D piixpcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ISA rev 0x02: unable to claim ownership from BIOS, SpeedStep disabled pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 Intel 82371AB IDE rev 0x01: DMA, channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: HTS421260H9AT00 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 57231MB, 117210240 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-C2302, 1617 ATAPI 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 Intel 82371AB USB rev 0x01: irq 11 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 7 function 3 Intel 82371AB Power rev 0x03: SMI iic0 at piixpm0 cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0 cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0xb0 pcmcia0 at cardslot0 cardslot1 at cbb1 slot 1 flags 0 cardbus1 at cardslot1: bus 5 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0xb0 pcmcia1 at cardslot1 isa0 at piixpcib0 isadma0 at isa0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt2 at isa0 port 0x3bc/4: polled npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 Intel UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 8 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges vscsi0 at root scsibus1 at vscsi0: 256 targets softraid0 at root scsibus2 at softraid0: 256 targets ne3 at pcmcia0 function 0 D-Link, DFE-670TXD, PC Card port 0xa000/32, address 00:13:46:34:0d:62 nsphyter0 at ne3 phy 1: DP83815 10/100 PHY, rev. 0 root on wd0a (378dd2c6192ddec8.a) swap on wd0b dump on wd0b clcs0: firmware loaded audio0 at clcs0 wd0(pciide0:0:0): timeout type: ata c_bcount: 4096 c_skip: 0 wd0a: device timeout writing fsbn 6592 of 6592-6599 (wd0 bn 6655; cn 6 tn 9 sn 40), retrying wd0: soft error (corrected) ne3: device timeout ne3: device timeout ne3: device timeout ne3: device timeout
Re: OpenZFS announcement
Considering that OpenBSD is implementing fuse, cannot then ZFS be included just like package/port (using fuse infrastructure as in linux) to circumvent licence issues? Il giorno 18/set/2013 16:09, Kenneth Westerback kwesterb...@gmail.com ha scritto: http://open-zfs.org/wiki/About_OpenZFS Under 'Other' at the bottom: ZFS source code is copyright various contributors, and available under the CDDL open-source license. The second paragraph is amusing: OpenZFS is not associated with openzfs.org. Don't forget the dash in our URS: open-zfs.org Ken On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:37 AM, patric conant mirage.comput...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest.
Re: OpenZFS announcement
Of course it can. It depends on time, resources, which basically means programmers who are interested in this. It will happen when it happens. Asking won't help. Giving money would help... :) If enough people are interested, you can work with the openbsd foundation to fund a programmer to work on fuse and/or fuse/zfs integration.
5.4 pre-order announcement?
Just out of curiosity, did we miss the 5.4 pre-order announcement this time around or was I the only one who missed it? Regardless, my order was placed about a week ago. Thanks for all your efforts! Cheers, --patrick
Re: 5.4 pre-order announcement?
On Thu, September 19, 2013 00:35, patrick keshishian wrote: Just out of curiosity, did we miss the 5.4 pre-order announcement this time around or was I the only one who missed it? It was silent. See undeadly. Regardless, my order was placed about a week ago. Thanks for all your efforts! Cheers, --patrick
Re: cvsync, rsync
* hru...@gmail.com hru...@gmail.com [2013-09-16 21:33]: It confirms that it supposes: A=B if hash(A)=hash(B). which is fine even with a relatively poor hash like md5 when the size is also checked. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services GmbH, http://bsws.de, Full-Service ISP Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services. Dedicated Servers, Root to Fully Managed Henning Brauer Consulting, http://henningbrauer.com/
Re: Thinkpad ACPI support
Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mottola at libero.it writes: apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured boot -c and disable apm
Re: cvsync, rsync
Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * hru...@gmail.com hru...@gmail.com [2013-09-16 21:33]: It confirms that it supposes: A=B if hash(A)=hash(B). which is fine even with a relatively poor hash like md5 when the size is also checked. A=B because parts of the file in the server coincide with parts of the file in the client, because both files are related, and not because hash(A)=hash(B), what is again not very probable if the files are not very big: the last is just experience and not to suppose as definitive truth. And what is the probability of A=B, if you know that hash(A)=hash(B)? Rodrigo.
Re: cvsync, rsync
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 09:25:55PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * hru...@gmail.com hru...@gmail.com [2013-09-16 21:33]: It confirms that it supposes: A=B if hash(A)=hash(B). which is fine even with a relatively poor hash like md5 when the size is also checked. A=B because parts of the file in the server coincide with parts of the file in the client, because both files are related, and not because hash(A)=hash(B), what is again not very probable if the files are not very big: the last is just experience and not to suppose as definitive truth. And what is the probability of A=B, if you know that hash(A)=hash(B)? Fuck off
Re: cvsync, rsync
What was the probability? Rodrigo. Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: Troll, the question has been answered. You are an entertaining troll, though. It is highly amusing seeing someone make themselves look so silly. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 11:28 AM, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: You have strings A and B, and you know only that hash(A)=hash(B): what is the probability that A=B? 2^-160? No, that's never the problem. You have a *given* string A, and another string B. O.K. You have string A in the client with hash(A)=n. You find string B in the server also with hash(B)=n. What is the probability that A=B? Rodrigo.
Re: cvsync, rsync
Marc already anwered all your questions. Let me quote it. Fuck off /Alexander On 09/18/13 23:59, hru...@gmail.com wrote: What was the probability? Rodrigo. Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: Troll, the question has been answered. You are an entertaining troll, though. It is highly amusing seeing someone make themselves look so silly. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 11:28 AM, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: You have strings A and B, and you know only that hash(A)=hash(B): what is the probability that A=B? 2^-160? No, that's never the problem. You have a *given* string A, and another string B. O.K. You have string A in the client with hash(A)=n. You find string B in the server also with hash(B)=n. What is the probability that A=B? Rodrigo.
general ports question
So if one has a 5.3 release system running, but finds a desired package in say 5.1, will pkg_add work on this, assuming I adjust the PKG_PATH to point to a 5.1 package folder? Or will doing this cause other instabilities? Thanks, Richard
Re: general ports question
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 06:16:20PM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote: So if one has a 5.3 release system running, but finds a desired package in say 5.1, will pkg_add work on this, assuming I adjust the PKG_PATH to point to a 5.1 package folder? Or will doing this cause other instabilities? The dependency mechanisms in pkg_add apply to the library of the base system. Meaning that if you manage to install a package from 5.1 on a pure 5.3 machine, your package has *no* dependency at all on any shared library whatsoever from the base system. So, yeah, you can install the books from 5.1. And some of the fonts. That's about it.
Re: general ports question
Ok, thanks for the help. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. From: Marc EspieSent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:24 PMTo: Richard ThorntonReply To: espie@nerim.netCc: OpenBSD general usage listSubject: Re: general ports question On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 06:16:20PM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote: So if one has a 5.3 release system running, but finds a desired package in say 5.1, will pkg_add work on this, assuming I adjust the PKG_PATH to point to a 5.1 package folder? Or will doing this cause other instabilities? The dependency mechanisms in pkg_add apply to the library of the base system. Meaning that if you manage to install a package from 5.1 on a pure 5.3 machine, your package has *no* dependency at all on any shared library whatsoever from the base system. So, yeah, you can install the books from 5.1. And some of the fonts. That's about it.
Re: cvsync, rsync
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Raimo Niskanen wrote: Suppose you are limited to length 1 strings of [a-z], then you have 29 possible strings. Still. If you select one of those strings and calculates its SHA-1 hash value. When you try any of the other 28 strings (or any other string of any lenght) and calculates this other strings SHA-1 hash value, the probability that it has the same hash value is 2 ^ (-160). It seems likely that someone has calculated those hashes of 1 byte strings and determined that they have different hashes. If so, then the probability of having the same hash value would be zero, not 2^(-160). Eric
Re: OpenZFS announcement
Jiri B [ji...@devio.us] wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 01:37:49AM -0500, patric conant wrote: http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Announcement It supposed to be open-er. I didn't find a license, thought it might be of mild interest. bitrig (OpenBSD fork) has ongoing work to intergrate hammer filesystem from DragonflyBSD. If they would succeed, this would be more beneficial for OpenBSD. They are more serious about WAPBL than Hammer at this point
Re: cvsync, rsync
Alexander Hall alexan...@beard.se wrote: Marc already anwered all your questions. Let me quote it. Fuck off The most brilliant answers of the experts: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:18:03 +0200 From: Marc Espie es...@nerim.net To: hru...@gmail.com Cc: t...@servasoftware.com, misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: cvsync, rsync On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 04:16:47PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Intentionally I left the problem generic. Is the probability near to 1? YES it is near to 1. Your way to phrase mathematical problems is BOGUS. You can't do probability without formulating a set of complete hypothesis. Your way to reason about this is BOGUS. We've been telling you THE EXACT SAME THING about those hash properties for MESSAGES by now. It seems it doesn't get through. This is either indicative of a very poor grasp of english, or of mathematical concepts, or both. So I'm going to finally stop answering your stupid stupid questions. I've got a feeling you don't trust those programs because you really don't understand numbers in an intuitive way. Like I said, FUD. Just because you feel insecure about numbers doesn't mean you have to try to communicate your insecurity about it to other people. -- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:36:05 -0400 From: Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com To: hru...@gmail.com Cc: kwesterb...@rogers.com, misc@openbsd.org, h...@stare.cz Subject: Re: cvsync, rsync On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 06:18:48PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote: And your endless meanderings around the pointless questions you pose are not welcome on the list. They certainly have NOTHING to do with OpenBSD. What you say in the last sentence is exactly what I hope. One of my questions was: This is a conjecture. Do you have a proof that the probability is so small? For me it is difficult to accept it. Is this conjecture used elsewhere? Rodrigo. Wow. Missing the point again. Please go away. Bother some non-OpenBSD list. As with others I am torn between recommending an english-as-a-second language list, or a math-for-idiots list. OpenBSD lists provide neither service. In any case. PLEASE GO AWAY. Ken --- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:42:03 +0200 From: Jan Stary h...@stare.cz To: hru...@gmail.com Subject: Re: cvsync, rsync On Sep 17 18:18:48, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote: And your endless meanderings around the pointless questions you pose are not welcome on the list. They certainly have NOTHING to do with OpenBSD. What you say in the last sentence is exactly what I hope. Why are you bothering people on an OpenBSD maling list then? One of my questions was: This is a conjecture. Do you have a proof that the probability is so small? No, it's not a conjecture. It's a property of the hash function. For me it is difficult to accept it. That's because you don't know the first thing about it, and are immune to reason. Now please, with all due respect, fuck off. Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:37:10 -0400 From: Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net To: hru...@gmail.com Subject: Re: cvsync, rsync Begone troll On Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 02:18 PM, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote: And your endless meanderings around the pointless questions you pose are not welcome on the list. They certainly have NOTHING to do with OpenBSD. What you say in the last sentence is exactly what I hope. One of my questions was: This is a conjecture. Do you have a proof that the probability is so small? For me it is difficult to accept it. Is this conjecture used elsewhere? Rodrigo.
Re: OpenZFS announcement
Paolo Aglialoro [paol...@gmail.com] wrote: Considering that OpenBSD is implementing fuse, cannot then ZFS be included just like package/port (using fuse infrastructure as in linux) to circumvent licence issues? Yeah, if you want your filesystem to be some huge monster slow bloated piece of shit? ZFS needs to be in the kernel, and other than the April 1st joke, you won't see a ZFS commit message to the OpenBSD kernel. Tracking the WAPBL and Hammer integration in bitrig to OpenBSD is a remote possibility, much more than ZFS ever would be.
Re: cvsync, rsync
hru...@gmail.com writes: Alexander Hall alexan...@beard.se wrote: Marc already anwered all your questions. Let me quote it. Fuck off The most brilliant answers of the experts: [...] Those people, that you qualify as experts, have spent hours reading and answering your mails. I bet you're pretty happy with this, yet I fail to understand what's your goal. You're wasting our time because you fail to understand what people are telling you; this time could be otherwise used to improve OpenBSD. This is harmful, can you get it? Fuck off? In my opinion you deserve way more harsh insults. You wanted a troll, you got it, now can you please let this list improve its signal/noise ratio? -- jca | PGP: 0x06A11494 / 61DB D9A0 00A4 67CF 2A90 8961 6191 8FBF 06A1 1494
New OSv with BSD license
I've just came on this: http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/pipermail/linux-il/2013-September/010649.html Just a short quote of it: Hi, today we've made the first release of OSv, a new operating system for running applications on virtual machines. OSv is free software, released under the BSD license... a new operating system designed to run a single application on a virtual machine. G
Re: Feedback about Desktop Environments
Interesting. I just used Xfce for a bit on a new Ubuntu box from a vendor here today, I didn't check the version. It sure has come a lng way from when I last used it around 1999. I may try it out on my home desktop, seems a lot more responsive than KDE and Gnome. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:41 AM, thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely XFCE 4.10. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. From: James GriffinSent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:20 AMTo: misc@openbsd.orgSubject: Feedback about Desktop Environments I need to install a Dektop Environment for my partner. I thought about KDE or xfce, i've tried neither on OpenBSD before. Which of the 3 main main DE's (gnome, KDE, XFCE) do you feel work best on OpenBSD. I would need things like removable media mounting from within the graphical environment, good sound support and multimedia applications. Any advice would be helpful from those using any of these Desktop's. I thought i'd ask on this list before installing loads of packages. Cheers, Jamie.
Re: RdRand instruction - is it used by default?
Joe Gidi [j...@entropicblur.com] wrote: Support for the RdRand instruction was added to i386 and amd64 a year ago (see http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvsm=134808609318790w=2 ), but recent events have called its trustworthiness into question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RdRand https://plus.google.com/117091380454742934025/posts/SDcoemc9V3J Do these concerns currently affect OpenBSD? Is RdRand actually used by default by the base system? it is used to seed the pseudo RNG only, not as a true RNG (unlike Linux)
