Re: FW: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-21 Thread Craig Skinner
The One. The one gonad. Get a proper email account you cowardly faggot.

Re: FW: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-21 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 08:53:02AM +0100, Craig Skinner wrote: The One. The one gonad. Get a proper email account you cowardly faggot. Lets not get into WW II morale-boosting songs :) Doug.

Re: Mailing list issues (was: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award)

2007-09-20 Thread David Given
Tony Abernethy wrote: Dunno about anyone else, but that seems like some kind of poetic justice. Preserving the pseudo-integrity of garbage seems like it should be very low on the list of priorities. I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but I do think that persuading the mailing list server

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread The One
On 9/19/07, Peter N. M. Hansteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Security is one of the concerns Leopard will solve. **BLAM** Security is never, ever a completely solved problem. Your world just isn' that simple. Do NOT pass GO. I sincerely hope never to hear

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 12:08:55AM +1000, The One wrote: If anyone can solve security, whether it is with Leopard or in the future, Apple definitely can. In my opinion, Apple performs 100% in the software field, and 90% in the hardware field, which is due to, as I explained in my previous

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread Darren Spruell
On 9/20/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't bother following up, I won't be listening. Or maybe I will, and I might even venture out from under my rock again before 4.4 ships. If anyone can solve security, whether it is with Leopard or in the future, Apple definitely can. In my

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread Nick Guenther
On 9/20/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/19/07, Peter N. M. Hansteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Security is one of the concerns Leopard will solve. **BLAM** Security is never, ever a completely solved problem. Your world just isn' that

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread The One
Sorry but I am just disagreed with Theo saying that OS X is buggy and insecure. On 9/21/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 12:08:55AM +1000, The One wrote: If anyone can solve security, whether it is with Leopard or in the future, Apple definitely can. In my

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In my opinion, In my opinion, you're simply a source of off-topic noise for this mailing list. There has to be dozens of mailing lists, web forums and the like where your fruit worship is welcome. Please go there. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:00:11AM +1000, The One wrote: Sorry but I am just disagreed with Theo saying that OS X is buggy and insecure. Whatever. BORED already. Go troll elsewhere.

FW: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread stuart van Zee
The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone can solve security, whether it is with Leopard or in the future, Apple definitely can. In my opinion, Apple performs 100% in the software field, and 90% in the hardware field, which is due to, as I explained in my previous messages, depending off

Re: FW: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 11:13:48AM -0400, stuart van Zee wrote: There is no such thing as Solving Security. It does not exist. It could only exist in a perfect world and as you know, or at least should know, this is NOT a perfect world. I have one absolutely secure computer. Actually I

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread chefren
On 09/19/07 13:07, Die Gestalt wrote: On 9/19/07, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in German, it's call Chaise or something very close to that I believe, but I am absolutely sure the spelling is not good. .. ScheiCe? Merde? Using non-ASCII characters in e-mail is also:

Re: FW: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread The One
On 9/21/07, stuart van Zee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone can solve security, whether it is with Leopard or in the future, Apple definitely can. In my opinion, Apple performs 100% in the software field, and 90% in the hardware field, which is due

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread Lars Hansson
On 9/20/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but I am just disagreed with Theo saying that OS X is buggy and insecure. Who gives a shit? This tread is more then FIVE months old and didnt even belong here in the first place. Just stop. --- Lars Hansson

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-20 Thread Sean Darby
Many people are in agreement over this. Is it possible for someone in charge of the list to either ban or somehow stop The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] from continuing this particular thread/subject? Thank you! On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 11:36:34AM +0800, Lars Hansson wrote: On 9/20/07, The One [EMAIL

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-19 Thread The One
But if OS X Tiger was to gain 100 % market share, I honestly believe that my Mac would not be affected by any viruses or hacking, whatsoever. Of course, there may be some flaws discovered if such an event were to occur, but I am a very careful being. And with Safari's Private Browsing and

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-19 Thread The One
What I meant to say was that Leopard's release will solve every current problem prevailant in OS X Tiger and people's opinions about the Macintosh platform, although their current, so-called opinions have no evidence behind them, whatsoever. Security is one of the concerns Leopard will solve. I

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-19 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Security is one of the concerns Leopard will solve. **BLAM** Security is never, ever a completely solved problem. Your world just isn' that simple. Do NOT pass GO. I sincerely hope never to hear such nonsense on misc, ever again. Sure, the next release is

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-19 Thread Henning Brauer
* The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-19 11:17]: What I meant to say was that Leopard's release will solve every current problem prevailant in OS X Tiger and people's opinions about the Macintosh platform, although their current, so-called opinions have no evidence behind them, whatsoever.

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-19 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Henning Brauer wrote: * The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-19 11:17]: What I meant to say was that Leopard's release will solve every current problem prevailant in OS X Tiger and people's opinions about the Macintosh platform, although their current, so-called opinions have no evidence behind

Mailing list issues (was: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award)

2007-09-19 Thread David Given
Die Gestalt wrote: [...] ScheiC[1F]e? Merde? Incidentally, from Gestalt's headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been noticing for a while that openbsd-misc appears to be unilaterally changing the transfer-encoding header to 7bit without

Re: Mailing list issues (was: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award)

2007-09-19 Thread Tony Abernethy
: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:28 AM To: obsd-misc Subject: Mailing list issues (was: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award) Die Gestalt wrote: [...] ScheiC[1F]e? Merde? Incidentally, from Gestalt's headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-17 Thread The One
Apple will, undoubtedly, implement some of these basic techniques for Leopard. But market share has completely NOTHING to do with OS X's security. Apple always has and will be 100 % when it comes to their software for OS X and OS X itself. Only time will tell. Leopard's release will solve every

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-17 Thread Nick Guenther
Why are you still talking? Why are you topposting? Why does it matter to the world at all what your one random friend does? And the standard: What does this have to do with OpenBSD? On 9/17/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple will, undoubtedly, implement some of these basic techniques for

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-04 Thread The One
But how would it spread? There have been 2 OS X viruses, yet they spread terribly. And Apple has already fixed the issue. :) -The One On 9/2/07, Kennith Mann III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07 2:53 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Symantec have

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-04 Thread Lars Hansson
Welcome to a really long time ago. --- Lars Hansson

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-04 Thread Nick Shank
The One wrote: But how would it spread? There have been 2 OS X viruses, yet they spread terribly. And Apple has already fixed the issue. :) -The One On 9/2/07, Kennith Mann III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07 2:53 AM, Theo de Raadt

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-01 Thread The One
On 3/23/07 2:53 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Symantec have been trying to demonise OS X for a long while. And it is going to work soon. Because OS X has no Propolice-like compiler stack protection, nor anything like W^X which makes parts of the address space non-executable, nor anything like

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-04-02 Thread Sunnz
Thought you might be interested in this: http://www.omninerd.com/2007/03/26/articles/74 More or less a follow up to the Windows award... This time with FreeBSD in the comparison... 2007/3/24, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/23/07, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07,

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-23 Thread chefren
On 3/23/07 2:53 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Symantec have been trying to demonise OS X for a long while. And it is going to work soon. Because OS X has no Propolice-like compiler stack protection, nor anything like W^X which makes parts of the address space non-executable, nor anything like

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-23 Thread Darren Spruell
On 3/23/07, chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.s. Maybe I was too harsh against Karel? Survey says: No. DS

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-23 Thread Marius ROMAN
On 3/23/07, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07, chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.s. Maybe I was too harsh against Karel? Survey says: No. DS I agree :) Marius

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-23 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/23/07, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/03/07, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/22/07, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/03/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-23 Thread Dan Farrell
On 3/23/07, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07, chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.s. Maybe I was too harsh against Karel? Survey says: No. DS I agree :) Marius I'll bottom post just this once to add to this list of agreement. danno

Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Siju George
Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Sunnz
Nice, let's all now switch our servers to Windows!!! Oh but it doesn't run on ultrasparc... Nevermind... :D 2007/3/23, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju -- Please avoid sending

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Ben Calvert
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:58:31 +0530, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 From the article: Microsoft is doing better overall than its leading commercial competitors.

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread RedShift
Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most linux distributions ship with alot more software than microsoft windows does, and most bugreports indicate an issue

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Karsten McMinn
On 3/22/07, Ben Calvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is doing better overall than its leading commercial competitors. ^^ No wonder. they stacked the deck before doing the comparison doesn't this mean that they now

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Thursday 22 March 2007 11:29 am, RedShift wrote: Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most linux distributions ship with alot more software than

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread stuartv
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Siju George Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:29 AM To: OpenBSD Misc Subject: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread stuartv
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RedShift Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:30 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
On 3/22/07, Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 22 March 2007 11:29 am, RedShift wrote: Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, RedShift wrote: Siju George wrote: http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most linux distributions ship with alot more software than microsoft windows does, and most bugreports

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Bob Beck
Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most linux distributions ship with alot more software than microsoft windows does, and most bugreports indicate an

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 08:12:23AM -0700, Ben Calvert wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:58:31 +0530, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 From the article: Microsoft is doing better overall than its leading commercial

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/22/07, Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes a big chunk of the problem is the knuckle dragging mouth breather in front of the keyboard - thank god that's not OpenBSD's targeted userbase, Damn, I wonder how I stumbled onto OpenBSD then. Greg

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide to do so. That's most of what's wrong with OS

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Andreas Bihlmaier
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 09:40:57PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/22/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 22/03/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/22/07, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/03/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On 3/22/07, Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip from a vegetarian at that. The fallacy that is this clause undermines your broader argument. Promise yourself not to spread such falsity again, and you will be well served. -Todd

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Shane J Pearson
On 23/03/2007, at 3:19 AM, Lars D. Noodin wrote: Symantic makes its living selling paper bailing cups in a leaky boat. ;-) The media actively participates in obfuscating the issues, the causes and the solutions by publicizing such crap from Symantic and MS. Yes. Symantec make their money

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
Symantec have been trying to demonise OS X for a long while. And it is going to work soon. Because OS X has no Propolice-like compiler stack protection, nor anything like W^X which makes parts of the address space non-executable, nor anything like address space randomization which makes certain

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Open Phugu
On 3/22/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide