Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
The're also proxmox ve that is really nice for virtualisation. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Michel Blais mic...@targointernet.com wrote: The're also proxmox ve that is really nice for virtualisation. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page As it's based on OpenVZ and KVM it doesn't seems to be answer on question in subject.
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
* Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.com [2011-09-19 08:17]: why don't you try xen ? The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures. can we please keep this marketing crap off the lists? not even is this irrelevant marketing speech, it is even more irrelevant since xen doesn't run on openbsd. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de, Full-Service ISP Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services. Dedicated Servers, Root to Fully Managed Henning Brauer Consulting, http://henningbrauer.com/
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
why don't you try xen ? The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures. visit Xen at www.Xen.org On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87 lancebayne...@zoho.com wrote: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from I'm searching for Virtualization solutions: OpenBSD: host CentOS: guest What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at all :-) Thank you in anticipation.
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
I haven't tried Xen on OpenBSD as host, but Xen is open source and there was subject to correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen Hosting. NetBSD supports Xen Hostig On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.com wrote: why don't you try xen ? Maybe because he asked for solution with OpenBSD as a host and nothing from packages/ports? ;-) The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures. visit Xen at www.Xen.org On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87 lancebayne...@zoho.com wrote: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from I'm searching for Virtualization solutions: OpenBSD: host CentOS: guest What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at all :-) Thank you in anticipation.
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines ( look at Host OS column) On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.comwrote: I haven't tried Xen on OpenBSD as host, but Xen is open source and there was subject to correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen Hosting. NetBSD supports Xen Hostig On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.com wrote: why don't you try xen ? Maybe because he asked for solution with OpenBSD as a host and nothing from packages/ports? ;-) The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures. visit Xen at www.Xen.org On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87 lancebayne...@zoho.com wrote: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from I'm searching for Virtualization solutions: OpenBSD: host CentOS: guest What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at all :-) Thank you in anticipation.
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.com wrote: IB haven'tB tried Xen on OpenBSD as host, but Xen is open source and there was subject toB B correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen Hosting. NetBSD supports Xen Hostig OpenBSD doesn't mean NetBSD for a very long time On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.com wrote: why don't you try xen ? Maybe because he asked for solution with OpenBSD as a host and nothing from packages/ports? ;-) The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures. visit Xen at www.Xen.org On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87 lancebayne...@zoho.com wrote: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from I'm searching for Virtualization solutions: OpenBSD: host CentOS: guest What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at all :-) Thank you in anticipation.
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machinesB ( look at Host OS column) For what? Xen doesn't have OpenBSD in that column and OpenBSD doesn't have Xen in sources as you can check on OpenBSD pages. Qemu, DosBox and VAX are in place, but eg. Ldoms doesn't have OpenBSD in that column even as OpenBSD support that so not so much correct table in the end. And eg. this one is not so hard http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=dom0q=b On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.com wrote: IB haven'tB tried Xen on OpenBSD as host, but Xen is open source and there was subject toB B correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen Hosting. NetBSD supports Xen Hostig On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Hassan Monfared hmonfa...@gmail.com wrote: why don't you try xen ? Maybe because he asked for solution with OpenBSD as a host and nothing from packages/ports? ;-) The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures. visit Xen at www.Xen.org On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87 lancebayne...@zoho.com wrote: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from I'm searching for Virtualization solutions: OpenBSD: host CentOS: guest What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at all :-) Thank you in anticipation.
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:17 AM, lancebaynes87 lancebayne...@zoho.com wrote: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-solutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from I'm searching for Virtualization solutions: OpenBSD: host CentOS: guest What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? Thank you in anticipation. Do it the other way around. RHEL, CentOS, and Scientific Linux 6.x all work well with the VirtualBox and other virtualization servers, though VirtualBox has the best interface for freeware. And OpenBSD runs quite happily in virtualization. I use it for testing OpenBSD tools in a primarily RHEL environment, and even use VirtualBox for easy virtualization in places where I'm only handed a Windows desktop or laptop. You don't get the same vaunted OS security or kernel performance on the serverr, but you do get access to other familiar tools and layouts that may not be available in OpenBSD yet. (I do note the availability of recent tools I care about in 4.9, such as httpd-2.x and libreoffice-3.x and subversion-1.6.x. Good)
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
Hassan Monfared wrote: subject to correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen Hosting On 19 September 2011 09:20, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: And eg. this one is not so hard http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscw=2r=1s=dom0q=b Has anyone (qualified) ever taken an interest in the bug Christoph mentioned here? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=119323951310432w=2 Is this the same issue Hassan just referred to? There've been long stretches where I've not followed things much, not even as a user, but the last I heard sort of seemed to indicate that maybe there wasn't much interest -- in part because real hardware is generally preferred due to (justified) concerns regarding the security footprint of virtualisation. But I don't know what the story is now. Does anyone? regards, --ropers
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as fast in mainline and not controlled by oracle sent from android handset. Please mind the brevity. On Sep 20, 2011 12:44 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:17 AM, lancebaynes87 lancebayne...@zoho.com wrote: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-solutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from I'm searching for Virtualization solutions: OpenBSD: host CentOS: guest What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? Thank you in anticipation. Do it the other way around. RHEL, CentOS, and Scientific Linux 6.x all work well with the VirtualBox and other virtualization servers, though VirtualBox has the best interface for freeware. And OpenBSD runs quite happily in virtualization. I use it for testing OpenBSD tools in a primarily RHEL environment, and even use VirtualBox for easy virtualization in places where I'm only handed a Windows desktop or laptop. You don't get the same vaunted OS security or kernel performance on the serverr, but you do get access to other familiar tools and layouts that may not be available in OpenBSD yet. (I do note the availability of recent tools I care about in 4.9, such as httpd-2.x and libreoffice-3.x and subversion-1.6.x. Good)
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote: If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as fast in mainline and not controlled by oracle For production use, Xen and orchestrate seems to be getting pretty good reviews, .. the only advantage to VirtualBox is phpVirtualBox. Lee
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On 09/19/2011 08:04 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote: If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as fast in mainline and not controlled by oracle sent from android handset. Please mind the brevity. On Sep 20, 2011 12:44 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcianka...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe so, but it works fine for me in a workstation environment. Many things work better than in KVM (video, USB passthrough) and I don't see any perceptible speed difference. KVM does seem to use less CPU, and that usage is better balanced amongst cores, than with VirtualBox. I think KVM is closing the gap, and am prepared for Oracle to drop VBox entirely if it suits Ellison's whims. I wouldn't use VirtualBox in a server environment, but then again I don't get the feeling that that is its target environment. C
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On 20 September 2011 14:08, Corey clinge...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/19/2011 08:04 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote: If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as fast in mainline and not controlled by oracle sent from android handset. Please mind the brevity. On Sep 20, 2011 12:44 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcianka...@gmail.com** wrote: Maybe so, but it works fine for me in a workstation environment. Many things work better than in KVM (video, USB passthrough) and I don't see any perceptible speed difference. KVM does seem to use less CPU, and that usage is better balanced amongst cores, than with VirtualBox. I think KVM is closing the gap, and am prepared for Oracle to drop VBox entirely if it suits Ellison's whims. I wouldn't use VirtualBox in a server environment, but then again I don't get the feeling that that is its target environment This is off topic now, but seriously, I use both (Virtualbox has one advantage in that it can host Solaris10 properly). And VB has NO advantages, all of the advantages are to KVM. As for Video use Spice enabled KVM, and USB pass through has been present for yonks. C
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On 09/19/2011 09:15 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote: On 20 September 2011 14:08, Corey clinge...@gmail.com mailto:clinge...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/19/2011 08:04 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote: If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as fast in mainline and not controlled by oracle sent from android handset. Please mind the brevity. On Sep 20, 2011 12:44 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcianka...@gmail.com mailto:nka...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe so, but it works fine for me in a workstation environment. Many things work better than in KVM (video, USB passthrough) and I don't see any perceptible speed difference. KVM does seem to use less CPU, and that usage is better balanced amongst cores, than with VirtualBox. I think KVM is closing the gap, and am prepared for Oracle to drop VBox entirely if it suits Ellison's whims. I wouldn't use VirtualBox in a server environment, but then again I don't get the feeling that that is its target environment This is off topic now, but seriously, I use both (Virtualbox has one advantage in that it can host Solaris10 properly). And VB has NO advantages, all of the advantages are to KVM. As for Video use Spice enabled KVM, and USB pass through has been present for yonks. C Yes, it is, so I'll make this last comment and be gone. I guess it comes down to what works best *for you*. SPICE looks cool (though I will always think of Spice software as something I use to model electronic circuitry), but I can't justify screwing around with setting up a remote desktop infrastructure *on a single workstation* when I can load guest drivers on my VBox guests and it just works (I'm usually virtualizing Windows). And while I'm aware that KVM supposedly supports USB passthrough, it just will not work with my document scanner software -- and KVM spews a billion messages on the console when I enable the passthrough to boot. VBox on the other hand supports the scanner and its software flawlessly. Don't get me wrong, I like KVM. And more power to its devs. My only regret with it it is that qemu will probably eventually depend on KVM and not run standalone anymore. But KVM is no panacea. For what *I* do, VBox works better and easier.
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87 lancebayne...@zoho.com wrote: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-solutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from I'm searching for Virtualization solutions: OpenBSD: host CentOS: guest What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at all :-) Thank you in anticipation.
Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)
What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from ports. Are there any? There are none. Consider using qemu from ports, or better, don't use virtualization.
