There's some doubt if someone will achieve a valid OpenBSD binary.
Also, the program may be subject to virus and trojan horses on its
way to an OpenBSD system.
:)
2008/5/9 David Gwynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
copy con program.exe
copy con program.exe
Hi!
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 11:42:53AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
ropers wrote:
2008/5/4 Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[vim] alters files in unexpected ways, which I consider a
major sin.
I didn't know that, and cursory googling didn't turn up anything
enlightening. Could you elaborate?
Hi!
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 04:55:55PM +0100, overdrive openbsd wrote:
I don't want to start a flamewar, but I will say my experience; after
lot of years using vi and vim, I decide 'taste' emacs. Now I can see
that the major part of users those use vi/vim is because they never
tried more than 5
Or you could just use vim...
On May 7, 2008, at 3:12 PM, overdrive openbsd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You can always use the name of comand instead keystrokes. Also you can
customize these keys and change the defaults (customizable)
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Matthew Szudzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And anyway, I'm a minimalist (that's why I run OpenBSD).
Really?
Funny, I get the feeling that I was forced to be a minimalist for
_not_ using OpenBSD the more I discover it...
--
http://tumblr.marcher.name
The nice thing about editors is that we have so many of them to choose
from.
Everyone will be happy, like some prefer blondes, other brunettes ... ;)
Today one of our servers decided to send one of it's disks to the abyss,
I was happy to be able to edit /etc/fstab in ed while in single user
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 10:02:22PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote:
The nice thing about editors is that we have so many of them to choose
from.
Everyone will be happy, like some prefer blondes, other brunettes ... ;)
Today one of our servers decided to send one of it's disks to the abyss,
I was
Hi Jordi,
I don't want to start a flamewar, but I will say my experience; after
lot of years using vi and vim, I decide 'taste' emacs. Now I can see
that the major part of users those use vi/vim is because they never
tried more than 5 minutes on emacs or directly they never tried. Now I
am more
I used Emacs for more than 10 years, and now I use vim. I like it
better. There is no single thing that is right for everyone.
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 04:55:55PM +0100, overdrive openbsd wrote:
Hi Jordi,
I don't want to start a flamewar, but I will say my experience; after
lot of years using
On 5/6/08, Emilio Perea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although I've never had to deal with Vista, previous versions of Windows
had a Resource Kit available which includes vi. With some Vista
versions you can install SUA (Subsystem for UNIX Applications) which
includes tcsh and ksh with vi
I gave emacs quite the fighting chance. Used it for 4 weeks and could
not deal with the sore hands fingers anymore.
emacs is great for people that don't mind finger gymnastics. Vim is
much nicer for people with sore hands.
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 04:55:55PM +0100, overdrive openbsd wrote:
Hi
If you want to stick with what's in the tree,
mg does a fine job. Compiles,
parses errors, jumps to the correct line, and so on.
You can always use the name of comand instead keystrokes. Also you can
customize these keys and change the defaults (customizable)
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I gave emacs quite the fighting chance. Used it for 4 weeks and could
not deal with the
I learned emacs before vi, but I could never remember all of emacs'
complicated keystrokes. It feels as though there are far fewer commands
to memorize in vi, and the commands that I do memorize are also useful
for writing sed scripts--so the payoff of a little memorization in vi
is greater than
--- Matthew Szudzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And anyway, I'm
a minimalist (that's why I run OpenBSD). nvi is
fine--vim and emacs just
have too much bloat.
Which is why we have mg in tree: emacs without the
bloat.
http://xkcd.com/378/
---
James A. Peltier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.site-fx.net
--- On Wed, 5/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Editing C with...
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Received: Wednesday
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor is
preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
it's not the size of your editor -- it's what you do w/
I use vi and geany..
--
# /dev/hdc
- OpenBSDeros.org
hdc [at] openbsderos [dot] org
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Jordi Espasa Clofent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I picked up a copy of TCPIP Illustrated, and am going through the
examples.
For example.
I think that's a good way to do it. I really should replace my copy that
was stolen from my car one of these days. And
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From: Steve Shockley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: misc
Subject: Re: Editing C with...
Nick Holland wrote:
but I WOULD tell any new user: learn the
base
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Rich Healey wrote:
for the record, it's VERY broken in Vista.
running edit in cmd or powershell, gives,
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On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 10:46:33AM +1000, Rich Healey wrote:
for the record, it's VERY broken in Vista.
running edit in cmd or powershell, gives,
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|Windows PowerShell
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Emilio Perea wrote:
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 10:46:33AM +1000, Rich Healey wrote:
for the record, it's VERY broken in Vista.
running edit in cmd or powershell, gives,
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Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He is eluding to things like smart tabs and auto indent. Those are
disabled by default on vim and when programming they are both a curse and
a gift from the gods. I'll admit to having spend more than a few
minutes fine tuning that.
I am an old vi
-Original Message-
From: Steve Shockley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:56 AM
To: misc
Subject: Re: Editing C with...
Nick Holland wrote:
but I WOULD tell any new user: learn the
base system tools first.
More to the point, have a working knowledge of ed
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 12:14:14AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
Yes, I know, you can turn off all that crap, but if I'm trying to
configure or administer a system, my first goal is not to spend an
hour moving in...make the changes needed, and move on, and NOT fix
the editor.
And there it is,
for me, vi and vim are the ones.
Would you mind explaining me i am just learning C applied in networking area ?
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Jordi Espasa Clofent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:45 PM, John Nietzsche [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
for me, vi and vim are the ones.
Would you mind explaining me i am just learning C applied in networking
area ?
I picked up a copy of TCPIP Illustrated, and am going through the
examples. HTH.
--
Would you mind explaining me i am just learning C applied in networking
area ?
I picked up a copy of TCPIP Illustrated, and am going through the
examples.
For example.
--
Thanks,
Jordi Espasa Clofent
Am 03.05.2008 um 19:56 schrieb Jordi Espasa Clofent:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about
it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what
editor is preferred by OpenBSD developers.
I am using two editors on a regular base: vi that is
2008/5/4 Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[vim] alters files in unexpected ways, which I consider a
major sin.
I didn't know that, and cursory googling didn't turn up anything
enlightening. Could you elaborate?
Thanks and regards,
--ropers
He is eluding to things like smart tabs and auto indent. Those are
disabled by default on vim and when programming they are both a curse and
a gift from the gods. I'll admit to having spend more than a few
minutes fine tuning that.
I am an old vi rat that finally caved to vim for several
Nick Holland wrote:
but I WOULD tell any new user: learn the
base system tools first.
More to the point, have a working knowledge of ed. Had a royal PITA the
other day when I misspelled softdep in the /usr line in fstab, and
didn't know how to use ed.
Most modern OSs (with the exception
Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am an old vi rat that finally caved to vim for several reasons.
[...]
* tab complete commands and filenames in command mode
FWIW, nvi supports file name completion on the colon command line,
you just have to enable it with the filec variable.
Steve Shockley schrieb:
Had a royal PITA the other day when I misspelled softdep in the
/usr line in fstab, and didn't know how to use ed.
No prob w/o ed :) You can just cat /etc/fstab | grep -v usr
/etc/fstab.new followed by echo 'whatever' /etc/fstab.new and then
mv everything to
ropers wrote:
2008/5/4 Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[vim] alters files in unexpected ways, which I consider a
major sin.
I didn't know that, and cursory googling didn't turn up anything
enlightening. Could you elaborate?
Thanks and regards,
--ropers
It might have been better if I
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 08:19:24AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
He is eluding to things like smart tabs and auto indent. Those are
disabled by default on vim and when programming they are both a curse and
a gift from the gods. I'll admit to having spend more than a few
minutes fine tuning
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Quoted from Girish Venkatachalam on Sun, May 04, 2008 at 04:18:10AM +0530,:
On 13:51:58 May 03, Robert C Wittig wrote:
vi/vim.
I use it for most of my editing tasks, not just writing C code.
I use vim since it enhances my coding speed in
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 05:32:28PM +0200, Dorian B|ttner wrote:
Steve Shockley schrieb:
Had a royal PITA the other day when I misspelled softdep in the
/usr line in fstab, and didn't know how to use ed.
No prob w/o ed :) You can just cat /etc/fstab | grep -v usr
/etc/fstab.new
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Stephan Andre' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nah, teco.
Or, SOS
--STeve Andre' (ducks)
AMIS, in fuldamental mode. At least one old hand
will recall times when v7 wasn't much more than
rumours in our part of the world, and the creatures
of rms still were mostly
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor
is preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
--
Thanks,
Jordi Espasa Clofent
vim :)
LG Manuel
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 07:56:33PM +0200, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor is
preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 07:56:33PM +0200, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor is
preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
I asked
Real men use ed.
On 5/3/08, Jordi Espasa Clofent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor
is preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
--
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor
is preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
The developers are known to use vi variants (nvi, vim) and emacs
variants (mg,
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 07:56:33PM +0200, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor
is preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
I am a
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 07:56:33PM +0200, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor is
preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
--
Real men use butterflies.
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 02:15:19PM -0400, bofh wrote:
Real men use ed.
On 5/3/08, Jordi Espasa Clofent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I
Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor
is preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
vi/vim.
I use it for most of my editing tasks, not
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 02:15:19PM -0400, bofh wrote:
Real men use ed.
No.
REAL programmers use ...
http://xkcd.com/378/
Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
Andreas.
--
Windows 95: A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of
an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Alexander Schrijver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Real men use butterflies.
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 02:15:19PM -0400, bofh wrote:
Real men use ed.
On 5/3/08, Jordi Espasa Clofent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but
vim of course!
the emacs people are weird :-)
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 07:56:33PM +0200, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor is
preferred by OpenBSD
On 13:51:58 May 03, Robert C Wittig wrote:
vi/vim.
I use it for most of my editing tasks, not just writing C code.
I use vim since it enhances my coding speed in a big way.
As to KNF I guess it is just a habit that I want to inculcate for all my
C coding. Right now it is voluntary and
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 07:56:33PM +0200, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor is
preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment I use vim.
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 02:15:19PM -0400, bofh wrote:
Real men use ed.
No, real men get it right the first time and don't need to edit, they
just use echo or something.
:)
Doug.
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 03:48:36PM -0600, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote:
Real men use.whatever editor is comfortable for them.
Vi, vim, emacs, xwpe, anjuta, kdevelop, joe, ed, etcused by a stupid
guy does not produce quality code at all.
So...try all and choose the most comfortable
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 02:15:19PM -0400, bofh wrote:
Real men use ed.
No, real men get it right the first time and don't need to edit, they
just use echo or something.
Hush now, or I'll make you use teco! :)
--
On Saturday 03 May 2008 21:20:29 Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 03:48:36PM -0600, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote:
Real men use.whatever editor is comfortable for them.
Vi, vim, emacs, xwpe, anjuta, kdevelop, joe, ed, etcused by a stupid
guy does not produce quality
Owain Ainsworth wrote:
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 07:56:33PM +0200, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote:
Yes, I know, it's completely a dumb question; but I'm curious about it.
I'm just learning C applied in networking area and I wonder what editor is
preferred by OpenBSD developers.
At present moment
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