Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-28 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? You'd be better contacting the FSF rather than Stallman directly - don't you think that's overkill? He also may have conducted

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-28 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:44:35PM +0200, Francesco Vollero wrote: Il 26/05/10 14.32, Marco Peereboom ha scritto: That free beer analogy has never made any sense and never will. I honestly wonder why people keep repeating it. I hope that in some /parallel/ universe beer is free and bsd is

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-28 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 04:28:56PM +0200, Reyk Floeter wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:44:35PM +0200, Francesco Vollero wrote: Il 26/05/10 14.32, Marco Peereboom ha scritto: That free beer analogy has never made any sense and never will. I honestly wonder why people keep repeating it.

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-28 Thread Igor Sobrado
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 04:28:56PM +0200, Reyk Floeter wrote: So the question is - am I living in a parallel universe? Simple! yes. Agreed, in a level IV multiverse at least (before you ask, we need a very good

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-28 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
This thread could be more humorous. -Girish On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Igor Sobrado sobr...@openbsd.org wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 04:28:56PM +0200, Reyk Floeter wrote: So the question is - am I living in a

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-28 Thread Andres Genovez
Everyone killed the poor guy with a fork in the eyes! Yepeee! This is why misc@openbsd.org is my mentor! Mess with the Best DIE like the REST so clear! -- Andris Genovez Tobar / Sistemas Elastix ECE - Linux LPI-1 - Novell CLA - Apple ACMT Jabber: bitfr...@asgard.crice.org

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-27 Thread SJP Lists
On 26 May 2010 23:13, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Julian Acosta wrote: Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? Just talk a lot about open source

Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Julian Acosta
Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Tomas Bodzar
...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Super Biscuit
--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com wrote: From: Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com Subject: Help contacting Richard Stallman To: misc@openbsd.org Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 6:18 AM Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Dunceor
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:18:03AM -0600, Julian Acosta wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Peter Kay (Syllopsium)
From: Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Ed Ahlsen-Girard
At 2010-05-26 11:03:50 Gilles Chehade wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:18:03AM -0600, Julian Acosta wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Marco Peereboom
from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? You'd be better contacting the FSF rather than Stallman directly - don't you think that's overkill? He

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Francesco Vollero
operating system :) -Francesco On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:32:56PM +0100, Peter Kay (Syllopsium) wrote: From: Julian Acostaj.acost...@gmail.com Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Brad Tilley
Julian Acosta wrote: Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? Just talk a lot about open source and the Linux operating system. He'll show up.

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Vadim Jukov
2010/5/26 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com: Julian Acosta wrote: Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? Just talk a lot about open source and the Linux

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Sylvestre Gallon
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Vadim Jukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/26 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com: Julian Acosta wrote: Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Igor Sobrado
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Vadim Jukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: Now he'll definitely come here, because you wrote Linux instead of religiously correct GNU/Linux. Do you mean Apache/BSD/GNU/IPL/MIT/SGI/X11/Linux, right?

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Robert
Igor Sobrado wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Vadim Jukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: Now he'll definitely come here, because you wrote Linux instead of religiously correct GNU/Linux. Do you mean Apache/BSD/GNU/IPL/MIT/SGI/X11/Linux, right? Wasn't that SCO/Linux?

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Jorge Castillo
: Help contacting Richard Stallman From: j.acost...@gmail.com To: misc@openbsd.org Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
I thought that RMS is GNU guy and this is BSD mailing list so maybe you mistyped address? Anyway what's the status of reading and searching ability on universities in Mexico as email of RMS is on his own page http://stallman.org/ ? ;-) At first I tought it was spam. It's quite weird for

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Vadim Jukov persg...@gmail.com writes: Now he'll definitely come here, because you wrote Linux instead of religiously correct GNU/Linux. Actually it's the other way around - in my experience he's significantly more reluctant to visit if the organizers show a fondness for open source rather

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
I thought that RMS is GNU guy and this is BSD mailing list so maybe you mistyped address? Anyway what's the status of reading and searching ability on universities in Mexico as email of RMS is on his own page http://stallman.org/ ? ;-) At first I tought it was spam. It's quite weird

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Thanasis
It's clearly spam.

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Christiano F. Haesbaert
We really need to reason whether he is trolling or not, Even if he is completely clueless about OSS at all, why the hell would he come to an openbsd list ? We all know openbsd isn't the most popular OS in the planet, it's the best, but far from being the most popular. Having that in mind, why

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Kenneth Gober
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote: Having that in mind, why didn't he came across a Linux mailing list or a FreeBSD or a my-ass-is-on-fire list ? My point is, what are the odds of an individual asking the completely wrong question on the

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac
Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: We all know openbsd isn't the most popular OS in the planet, it's the best, but far from being the most popular. Great words. +rep for this.

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Thomas Mullins
Subject: Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: We all know openbsd isn't the most popular OS in the planet, it's the best, but far from being the most popular. Great words. +rep for this.

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Vanessa Kraus
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 13:40 -0400, Kenneth Gober wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote: Having that in mind, why didn't he came across a Linux mailing list or a FreeBSD or a my-ass-is-on-fire list ? My point is, what are the odds

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Andrew Fresh
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:52:50PM -0500, Vanessa Kraus wrote: For what it's worth, I am on a good number of oss lists (including Linux), and there are no other mentions of RMS anywhere. Also FWIW, saw a lot of OpenBSD + RMS chatter on the Twitter in the last 24 hours.

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread ropers
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: it's likely that he found multiple mailing lists that all had some tenuous relationship to open-source software, and spammed all of them. but I haven't looked in the archives of any other lists to find out. Cursory googling

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 01:05:01PM -0700, Andrew Fresh wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:52:50PM -0500, Vanessa Kraus wrote: BLABLABLABLABLABLABLA BLABLABLA So much junk here. Bye bye misc.

Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman

2010-05-26 Thread Marco Peereboom
https://twitter.com/marco_peereboom On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 01:05:01PM -0700, Andrew Fresh wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:52:50PM -0500, Vanessa Kraus wrote: For what it's worth, I am on a good number of oss lists (including Linux), and there are no other mentions of RMS anywhere. Also

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread Alexander Hall
Gregg Reynolds wrote: On 1/7/08, Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nicodache wrote: I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap, fucking duck with tape, shutting up things. I have never seen

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread knitti
On 1/7/08, Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nicodache wrote: I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap, fucking duck with tape, shutting up things. If if walks like a duck and talks

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread Rico Secada
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:46:43 -0700 L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: I hope that the other OpenBSD developers will repudiate such conduct. You said the other openbsd developers. In this context, it implies that I am an OpenBSD developer. The other means that I am

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:58:48 +0800, Koh Choon Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is the FSF preparing to treat OBSD as one of the free OS they recommend? Who cares. OpenBSD just doesn't like misinformation spread about it. I have no connection to the OBSD project, but I hope it never has anything to do

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:30:58 -0500, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake. And this mistake has blown up in to this thread with this ongoing argument. Their report was either not as accurate as you seem to think, or you're

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Craig Skinner
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:31:10AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell me where that statement appears? If I need to correct it, I need to know where it is. Time to back track again, eh Moron. What is the URL

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:46:49 -0500 Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to check for me. Wait, you have someone else do the research

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake. And this mistake has blown up in to this thread with this ongoing argument. Their report was either not as accurate as you seem to think, or you're very badly expressing the contents of the report (which has not been made

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 11:18:17PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL injection vulnerabilities? I know nothing about that issue, but I will forward your message. Teaching the public about this issue is a good thing

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Gary Baluha
2) using more free software is better than not running it at all 3) incentivating usage of non-free software on free software operating systems doesn't incentivate the creation of free software replacements this is a word play. I know people who used OpenBSD for a while

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Gary Baluha
There are also quite a few free programs that run only on Windows. (Being able to redistribute a program and its source and modify and redistribute the source doesn't somehow cause it to be instantly ported to other platforms by the grace of God.) These programs can be run on other

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Jan Stary
No, Richard. No. This is really getting tired. Their report was that OpenBSD contains ports for non-free programs, and that is what I tried to say in the interview. No, you didnt't. I made a mistake in the way I said it: I used words which were subject to misunderstanding. No, you used

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
I wrote: I hope that you have not arranged in effect to cause our web site to be attacked. You responded: It was a recommendation of OpenBSD rather than an attack. It was neither a recommendation of OpenBSD nor an attack. Your message did not talk about OpenBSD, but if it had,

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread nicodache
Richard, I don't want not make any comment on all this FUD, instead I'll just tell you this. I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap, fucking duck with tape, shutting up things. That beeing said,

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Steve Shockley
nicodache wrote: I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap, fucking duck with tape, shutting up things. I have never seen anyone on this list fuck a duck with a tape. Ever.

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread L
Richard Stallman wrote: I would not call your message an attack, because encouraging attacks is not the same thing as making an attack. It is not the same, but it goes in the same direction. I hope that the other OpenBSD developers will repudiate such conduct. Surely we can disagree without

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread L
Richard Stallman wrote: I hope that the other OpenBSD developers will repudiate such conduct. You said the other openbsd developers. In this context, it implies that I am an OpenBSD developer. The other means that I am one myself and relative to me, they are the other developers with me

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread L
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:15:37PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I wrote: I hope that you have not arranged in effect to cause our web site to be attacked. You responded: It was a recommendation of OpenBSD rather than an attack. It was neither a recommendation of OpenBSD nor

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:15:37PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I wrote: I hope that you have not arranged in effect to cause our web site to be attacked. You responded: It was a recommendation of OpenBSD rather than an attack. It was neither a recommendation

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-07 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/7/08, Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nicodache wrote: I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap, fucking duck with tape, shutting up things. I have never seen anyone on this

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread Koh Choon Lin
Is the FSF preparing to treat OBSD as one of the free OS they recommend? -- Regards Koh Choon Lin a href=http://profiles.friendster.com/42928535;Best Teacher in Singapore/a

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread Richard Stallman
Dude... it is on the endorsement list on gnu.org you talked about in the beginning how you cannot include OpenBSD in it... http://gnu.org/links/links.html Thank you. Now I know where to remove the link if it comes to that. I have a feeling that list is maintained by your 'FSF

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread Richard Stallman
I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to check for me. Wait, you have someone else do the research, and this persons opinions get reflected in what you say? Absolutely. FSF

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:56:08AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:34:45PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: According to YOU, it is okay to have emacs and gcc run on a proprietary system as it allows more people to run free software. How is it that it is

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread Dusty
So the FSF told you OpenBSD contains non-free software and you said EXACTLY what they told you on the talk? So the FSF are hypocrites and liars! On Jan 6, 2008 12:46 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread L
Richard Stallman wrote: I don't personally do most of our web site maintenance, of course. But I take responsibility for removing this link if it should not be there. Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL injection vulnerabilities? I have found

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 6, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: Absolutely. FSF staff checked the BSD versions and told me what found. I do not redo their work after they do it; I trust that they did it well. Their report about OpenBSD was accurate. Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread Breen Ouellette
Deanna Phillips wrote: Marco Peereboom writes: Blah blah blah my feelers are hurt. Do I need to mail you some maxi pads? Do I need to point out that you've attempted to insult someone by comparing him to some bullshit stereotype about women? Well said. Flinging mud is all well

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread steev
To bring in half the human population into this flame fest is at best grossly overeager and at worst extremely and unfairly prejudicial. Indeed. IMO the most depressing thing about this entire exchange (with the possible exception of the amount of top-posting) is the offhand way in which

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread Richard Stallman
Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL injection vulnerabilities? I know nothing about that issue, but I will forward your message. Teaching the public about this issue is a good thing to. However, the way you did it was predictably bad. By publishing it,

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-06 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: By publishing it, and telling only me--not anyone who could fix it--you made sure a day would go by when others know about the problem but our sysadmins did not. It would have been better practice to tell our sysadmins privately first

Re: Puffy 'Wizard of OS' (Was: Re: Richard Stallman...)

2008-01-06 Thread Ken Ismert
Eric Furman wrote: Yea, it was the artwork that attracted me to OpenBSD, not all the hard work that was put in creating good, clean, secure code. :-) (no offense Ken). Thanks again Theo and all the other devs. None taken. The quality of the OpenBSD effort goes without saying, although

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: Why didn't you answer my mail Rui ? You are a troll. Either I did and you missed it, or it wasn't the answer you'd expect or I found it so irrelevant it didn't even raise any bell. Anyways, most of your emails have been so rude

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Richard Stallman
I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system. I don't recognize the name AROS, but if it is an operating system, it is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell me where that statement appears? If I need to correct it, I need to know where it is.

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: Why didn't you answer my mail Rui ? You are a troll. Either I did and you missed it, or it wasn't the answer you'd expect or I found it so irrelevant it

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:31:10AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system. I don't recognize the name AROS, but if it is an operating system, it is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell me where

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Sunnz
2008/1/6, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system. I don't recognize the name AROS, but if it is an operating system, it is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell me where that statement appears

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Andrés
On Jan 5, 2008 11:31 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recognize the name AROS, but if it is an operating system, it is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell me where that statement appears? If I need to correct it, I need to know where

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: Why didn't you answer my mail Rui ? You are a troll. Either I did and you missed

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to check for me. Wait, you have someone else do the research, and this persons opinions get reflected

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Marco Peereboom
That's clearly a rhetorical question. On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:30:36AM -0800, johan beisser wrote: On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: Why didn't you answer my mail Rui ? You are a

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread johan beisser
[slight legibility edit] On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:30:36AM -0800, johan beisser wrote: On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out the status of the BSD systems

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 05:53:40PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: Why didn't you

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:53, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: Why didn't you

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hello mini-RMS, Happy New Year greetings from gnu.misc.discuss! :-) On Jan 5, 2008 6:53 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I'm not from the FSF. Yeah, yeah. You're a kind of Richard Bruce Dick Cheney of National Association for Free Software, aren't you? A kind of fsf

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Eliah Kagan
On Jan 5, 2008 12:53 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: 4) FYI I think the wine project is counter-productive as it enables running non-free software on free software operating systems, and as such de-incentivates the creation of replacements. 4.1) but it's free software and its authors

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Oh, the real troll just arrived (one more list where he get's to the kill file). On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:52:34PM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On Jan 5, 2008 6:53 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I'm not from the FSF. Yeah, yeah. You're a kind of Richard

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 05:53:40PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: ... you distribute non-free software. It has been pointed out on numerous occasions that this is a false statement. No, I am a victim Only because you elect to remain uninformed.

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 01:51:22PM -0500, Eliah Kagan wrote: On Jan 5, 2008 12:53 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: 4) FYI I think the wine project is counter-productive as it enables running non-free software on free software operating systems, and as such de-incentivates the

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Eliah Kagan
I wrote: discouraging development of free replacements to software? What would you need to know to actually know that Wine was ultimately counterproductive, or ultimately productive? When it comes right down Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: The world is not made of such extremes,

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:28:19AM -0800, Ray Percival wrote: don't like you. You think we rank up there with baby killers. I will NEVER understand how that works so just FOAD and we can all be happy. I think that ranking you mention is 100% your interpretation. :) Rui -- Or is it? Today is

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Marco Peereboom
Blah blah blah my feelers are hurt. Do I need to mail you some maxi pads? On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:56:08AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:34:45PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: According to YOU, it is okay to have emacs and gcc run on a proprietary

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 06:34:49PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: Blah blah blah my feelers are hurt. Do I need to mail you some maxi pads? Now that you mention it, shortly after this idiotic flame I started receiving tons of spam. I wonder if they're related... Rui -- Or is it? Today is

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:34:45PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: According to YOU, it is okay to have emacs and gcc run on a proprietary system as it allows more people to run free software. How is it that it is wrong to allow more people to run a free system by giving them links to

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:31:00AM -0700, L wrote: Hypocrite thoughts are constructed in your mind the way you want to see it.. the same way CULTS want you to see that their cult is right about EVERYTHING and every other religion and church is wrong. You seem to abuse the word hypocrisy.

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 5, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Yes. But even if it's legally redistributable, the question remains wether it's free software or not. Fortunately OpenBSD is Free Software. Unfortunately it recommends and distributes proprietary software on it's servers (and it wasn't

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:31:00AM -0700, L wrote: Hypocrite thoughts are constructed in your mind the way you want to see it.. the same way CULTS want you to see that their cult is right about EVERYTHING and every other religion and church is wrong. You

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:46:08PM -0500, Eliah Kagan wrote: When you say the world is not made of such extremes, do you mean you think the long-term effects of something are always unquantifiable? The long term effects of anything are always something left to optimism or pessimism, according

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 06:18:34PM -0700, L wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:31:00AM -0700, L wrote: Hypocrite thoughts are constructed in your mind the way you want to see it.. the same way CULTS want you to see that their cult is right about EVERYTHING

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Deanna Phillips
Marco Peereboom writes: Blah blah blah my feelers are hurt. Do I need to mail you some maxi pads? Do I need to point out that you've attempted to insult someone by comparing him to some bullshit stereotype about women?

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Lars Noodén
L wrote: ... The first time I heard cult mentioned was when people were complaining about open bsd being a cult of open bsd followers, or mean rude cult members... I assume you are talking about this dreadful thread. Outside this thread the first time I heard cults mentioned was back in the

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Marco Peereboom
Let me make a sincere apology to all who read that and thought I was drawing a parallel. It obviously was poor choice of words and I am sorry for saying it. I won't even try to explain what my actual intention was since it'll sound hollow. Bad marco. On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:10PM -0500,

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread L
Lars NoodC)n wrote: L wrote: ... The first time I heard cult mentioned was when people were complaining about open bsd being a cult of open bsd followers, or mean rude cult members... I assume you are talking about this dreadful thread. ... Outside this thread the first time I

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: BTW, one would say that the accusations of cult did not start from me (or Richard), so I'd say you accusers fall straight on the above all that's included in that link: We are not a cult -- all of those other groups are. We work very hard to make sure that our

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