Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-30 Thread Marcos Laufer
Hi , i enabled the driver in the RAMDISK_CD and GENERIC, then made a release, but it still doesn't recognize this hardware as configured. Just for checking, i booted with this release cd and in the UKC prompt y tried a 'find aac' and it shows as enabled. Maybe this particular controller is not

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-16 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Monday 13 October 2008, Artur Grabowski wrote: gm_sjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/10/10 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-13 Thread Artur Grabowski
gm_sjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/10/10 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the reality for yourself. I'm sure calling vendors

vendor list (was: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3 )

2008-10-13 Thread Charles Smith
to create a web section listing the reasonable and bastard vendors? I think it would be useful in two points: * helps to OpenBSD community to choose the right hardware * make good or bad publicity depending on real vendor's position Anyway it's only an idea. +1 I very like the idea.

Re: vendor list (was: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3 )

2008-10-13 Thread andrew fresh
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:28:37AM -0700, Charles Smith wrote: to create a web section listing the reasonable and bastard vendors? I think it would be useful in two points: * helps to OpenBSD community to choose the right hardware * make good or bad publicity depending on real vendor's

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Marcos Laufer
Jonathan, thanks, i see. I Tried enabling de aac driver in the GENERIC and RAMDISK_CD , and made a release. It's still not showing it as enabled when booting with this new cd. Could it be possible that the driver is another one? I am writing an email to Adaptec right now asking for the

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
I am writing an email to Adaptec right now asking for the documentation you need. Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the reality for yourself.

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Marcos Laufer
I'm pretty sure that my email won't change a thing about Adaptec's way of thinking. But it is the right thing to do, i must send them that email with my point of view and needs as a user of Adaptec's products. I will also let IBM know about this. Theo de Raadt wrote: I am writing an email to

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
2008/10/10 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the reality for yourself. I'm sure calling vendors 'bastards' on a public mailing

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread gm_sjo
2008/10/10 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the reality for yourself. I'm sure calling vendors 'bastards' on a public mailing list is

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Ted Unangst
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:53 PM, gm_sjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/10 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the reality for yourself.

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Brian Drain
2008/10/10 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the reality for yourself. I'm sure calling vendors 'bastards' on a public mailing list is

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
2008/10/10 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the reality for yourself. I'm sure calling vendors 'bastards' on a public mailing

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-10-10, Marcos Laufer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure that my email won't change a thing about Adaptec's way of thinking. But it is the right thing to do, i must send them that email with my point of view and needs as a user of Adaptec's products. I will also let IBM know

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Breen Ouellette
gm_sjo wrote: 2008/10/10 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow. Good luck. Can't you see we've been down that road before with those bastards? But really. Good luck. You really are too optimistic, but sure, learn the reality for yourself. I'm sure calling vendors 'bastards' on a

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread gm_sjo
2008/10/10 Breen Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When you have proven yourself even 10% as helpful to the cause of OpenBSD as Theo is, then maybe, just maybe, you are justified in criticizing his tactics. I look forward to that point in time, but until then I really have no reason to side with

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
Theo: In this useful paper http://cvs.openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/ you explain very good the situation. Great. Maybe is totally off-topic, but ?would it helps in some way to create a web section listing the reasonable and bastard vendors? I think it would be useful in two points: *

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread patric conant
Are we really arguing whether or not its ever appropriate to call someone a bastard on public mailing list? Who cares? Suigesting that Theo becom less inflamatory didn't go so well for NetBSD, neither did pandering to hardware vendors so that their OS could run anywhere. Doesn't it seem reasonable

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread raven
gm_sjo ha scritto: 2008/10/10 Breen Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When you have proven yourself even 10% as helpful to the cause of OpenBSD as Theo is, then maybe, just maybe, you are justified in criticizing his tactics. I look forward to that point in time, but until then I really have no

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Breen Ouellette
gm_sjo wrote: 2008/10/10 Breen Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When you have proven yourself even 10% as helpful to the cause of OpenBSD as Theo is, then maybe, just maybe, you are justified in criticizing his tactics. I look forward to that point in time, but until then I really have no reason

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-10 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
gm_sjo wrote: 2008/10/10 Breen Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When you have proven yourself even 10% as helpful to the cause of OpenBSD as Theo is, then maybe, just maybe, you are justified in criticizing his tactics. I look forward to that point in time, but until then I really have no reason

dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-07 Thread Marcos Laufer
Hello, this is an IBM x3650, i booted with a 4.3 cd and this is the dmesg (SAS hard disks are not recognized) OpenBSD 4.3 (RAMDISK_CD) #645: Wed Mar 12 11:31:03 MDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) MV CPU 3.20GHz (GenuineIntel

Re: dmesg IBM x3650 OpenBSD 4.3

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Gray
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:26:23PM -0200, Marcos Laufer wrote: Hello, this is an IBM x3650, i booted with a 4.3 cd and this is the dmesg (SAS hard disks are not recognized) Adaptec ASR-2120S rev 0x02 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 not configured The driver for Adaptec RAID (aac) is disabled by