Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Tony Abernethy
patrick keshishian wrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: I'm still curious how anything left in /usr/obj can be anything but a possible problem after updating system binaries and sources to a new release. especially for people who are just

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Tony Abernethy
Jacob Meuser wrote: ... On 5/06/2010, at 7:31 AM, Nick Holland wrote: a patch to the upgrade guide would be wrong. The problem is the patching process (a special case of the userland build process) assumes a clean obj dir. This has nothing to do with upgrades. If you try to rebuild the same

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Tony Abernethy
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR ARE DOING, INSTALL A NEW SNAPSHOT Theo de Raadt wrote: Miod, Dale, Kurt, Kettenis and I am quite often the first people to deal with bumping systems forward over bumps. Some bumps are so difficult that after they are done the rest of us jump over them using

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Richard Toohey
On 5/06/2010, at 5:51 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: I'm still curious how anything left in /usr/obj can be anything but a possible problem after updating system binaries and sources to a new release. especially for

Re: mouse cursor keeps jumping up and left in latest snapshot

2010-06-05 Thread Matthieu Herrb
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 09:51:16AM +0200, Markus Hennecke wrote: Am 03.06.2010 23:52, schrieb Ted Unangst: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Christopher Zimmermann madro...@zakweb.de wrote: Are you sure this is a problem in

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Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Jan Stary
On Jun 04 16:22:35, Uwe Dippel wrote: Jacob Meuser jakemsr at sdf.lonestar.org writes: oh good grief. you had a dirty /usr/obj. just look at the pfctl snippet of the log you posted. do you see pfctl being built? do you see pfctl being installed from /usr/obj? Oh, yes. So the

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 06:48:18PM +1200, Richard Toohey wrote: But I don't understand what he's doing differently to me. A new release is out, you want to upgrade from the previous release to the new one, and then you want to apply the errata patches. Look, there are several flaws to the way

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Richard Toohey
On 5/06/2010, at 7:45 PM, Jan Stary wrote: On Jun 04 16:22:35, Uwe Dippel wrote: Jacob Meuser jakemsr at sdf.lonestar.org writes: oh good grief. you had a dirty /usr/obj. just look at the pfctl snippet of the log you posted. do you see pfctl being built? do you see pfctl being installed

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 01:49:46AM -0400, Tony Abernethy wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: ... On 5/06/2010, at 7:31 AM, Nick Holland wrote: a patch to the upgrade guide would be wrong. The problem is the patching process (a special case of the userland build process) assumes a clean obj dir.

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Richard Toohey
On 5/06/2010, at 8:14 PM, Marc Espie wrote: On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 06:48:18PM +1200, Richard Toohey wrote: But I don't understand what he's doing differently to me. A new release is out, you want to upgrade from the previous release to the new one, and then you want to apply the errata

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Tony Abernethy
Jacob Meuser wrote: On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 01:49:46AM -0400, Tony Abernethy wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: ... On 5/06/2010, at 7:31 AM, Nick Holland wrote: a patch to the upgrade guide would be wrong. The problem is the patching process (a special case of the userland build process) assumes

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 05:13:19AM -0400, Tony Abernethy wrote: All I need to break any automated system you devise is to have some programs that I compile myself and use the system directories to hold the sources etc. then you are on your own, not someone who is just following the

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Tony Abernethy
Jacob Meuser wrote: On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 05:13:19AM -0400, Tony Abernethy wrote: All I need to break any automated system you devise is to have some programs that I compile myself and use the system directories to hold the sources etc. then you are on your own, not someone who is just

libiberty

2010-06-05 Thread Gregory Edigarov
Hello, I know this is a FAQ, and perhaps I'll be blamed for asking it again... cc -O2 -pipe -g -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libiberty/src -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libiberty/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libiberty/obj -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libiberty/src/hex.c -o hex.o

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Uwe Dippel
Tony Abernethy tony at servasoftware.com writes: Might be better to read and comprehend ``man patch'' before assuming limitations on the scope of patch's reach. It is always so nice to trample on the person lying on the ground, ain't it! Where in 'man patch' is the underlying problem

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Jacob Meuser
wtf are you talking about tony? have you even read the upgrade guide? have you read any of this thread, at all, or did you see some long thread on misc@ and decide to jump in? we have users that say they follow the install and upgrade guides to the letter and they get fucked. there is a

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Tony Abernethy
Jacob Meuser wrote: we have users that say they follow the install and upgrade guides to the letter and they get fucked. there is a problem. they don't even know /usr/obj exists. What they say. What they did. Two different things. There's lots of things they do not know about. I fail to

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Dexter Tomisson
what a totally useless bunch of misc traffic only because a drunk OpenBSD user did not remove /usr/obj before building shit

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Brad Tilley
Theo de Raadt wrote: If [you] don't know what you are doing, install a new snapshot. We do this frequently. Works very well. bsd.rd makes it easy to move to a new snapshot. We buy -release CDs too, but seldom open them. Brad

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Uwe Dippel
Philip Guenther guenther at gmail.com writes: Please point to the part of the Upgrade Guide which talks about building from source, untarring the src tar file, or applying errata. I can't seem to find any such reference, but I'm sure it's in there somewhere, because you originally said that

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 06:48:18PM +1200, Richard Toohey wrote: On 5/06/2010, at 5:51 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: I'm still curious how anything left in /usr/obj can be anything but a possible problem after

Re: libiberty

2010-06-05 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:25:26 +0300 Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua wrote: Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib/libiberty (line 92 of /usr/share/mk/sys.mk). # uname -a OpenBSD edigarov.sa.net.ua 4.7 GENERIC#16 amd64 This happen while i am trying to build from sources. The system is the latest

PF BINAT on entire /24 subnet

2010-06-05 Thread Paolo Reyes Balleza
Hello all, I was using pf's (OBSD 4.6) binat for openvpn purposes with 192.168.0.0/24 binatted to 192.0.2.0/24 since I can't renumber the local LAN to avoid the overlap. This doesn't work with current: match on tun0 from 192.168.0.0/24 to any binat-to 192.0.2.0/24 for the entire subnet any more.

Re: PF BINAT on entire /24 subnet

2010-06-05 Thread Calomel Org
Paolo, You may need to use the bitmask directive. bitmask - grafts the network portion of the pool address over top of the address that is being modified (source address for nat-to rules, destination address for rdr-to rules). Example: if the address pool is 192.0.2.1/24 and the address being

PF

2010-06-05 Thread Kleber Rocha
On OpenBSD 4.7 I need to rewrite all of my old pf.conf, why this happens in the PF? Thanks

Re: PF

2010-06-05 Thread J Sisson
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Kleber Rocha kli...@gmail.com wrote: On OpenBSD 4.7 I need to rewrite all of my old pf.conf, why this happens in the PF? This has been discussed repeatedly since pf changes hit CURRENT. Search the archives.

Re: PF

2010-06-05 Thread bofh
First major change in 6-7 years, I'd say it's doing pretty good On 6/5/10, Kleber Rocha kli...@gmail.com wrote: On OpenBSD 4.7 I need to rewrite all of my old pf.conf, why this happens in the PF? Thanks -- Sent from my mobile device http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Philip Guenther
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Uwe Dippel udip...@gmail.com wrote: Philip Guenther guenther at gmail.com writes: Please point to the part of the Upgrade Guide which talks about building from source, untarring the src tar file, or applying errata. I can't seem to find any such reference, but

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
I was following the Upgrade Guide to the dot, following Applying patches in OpenBSD to the dot, This thread perhaps wouldn't have happened if you hadn't waited until your 13th message to describe that last part. You now have and now it seems the core discussion is just about whether (or

Pioneiros da Regressão e Palestra em Cascais

2010-06-05 Thread Almasoma
Pioneiros da RegressC#o em Portugal A AlmaSoma tem o prazer de anunciar Hans TenDam e Morris Netherton em Lisboa, responsC!veis maiores pelo desenvolvimento da Terapia Regressiva no mundo. Em Junho e Julho, os meses do jacarandC! em flor, o logC3tipo da AlmaSoma. Hans TenDam HistC3rias de

error found in /ProgressMeter/Term.pm in 5 June CVS build

2010-06-05 Thread Bryan
Use of uninitialized value $_ in substitution (s///) at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/ProgressMeter/Term.pm line 130. Use of uninitialized value $_ in substitution (s///) at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/ProgressMeter/Term.pm line 131. Use of uninitialized value $_ in substitution (s///) at

4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Neal Hogan
Hello, I just tried to upgrade my machine to 4.7 (release) and it IDs my hard drives differently than 4.6 did. That is, when asked (during upgrade) which disk the root partition is on it offers: sd0 wd0 wd1 wd2. However, what I'm expecting is: wd0 wd1 wd2 wd3 Thus, fsck fails and therefore the

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread William Boshuck
Perhaps every section of the FAQ begin with an exhortation to read the entire FAQ. I am flabbergasted that someone who runs a 'production' box would put themeselves in this position.

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Edho P Arief
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I just tried to upgrade my machine to 4.7 (release) and it IDs my hard drives differently than 4.6 did. That is, when asked (during upgrade) which disk the root partition is on it offers: sd0 wd0 wd1 wd2. However,

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Neal Hogan
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Edho P Arief edhopr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I just tried to upgrade my machine to 4.7 (release) and it IDs my hard drives differently than 4.6 did. That is, when asked (during upgrade)

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 05:50:39PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Edho P Arief edhopr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I just tried to upgrade my machine to 4.7 (release) and it IDs my hard drives

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Vadim Zhukov
2010/6/6 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: Hello, I just tried to upgrade my machine to 4.7 (release) and it IDs my hard drives differently than 4.6 did. That is, when asked (during upgrade) which disk the root partition is on it offers: sd0 wd0 wd1 wd2. However, what I'm expecting is: wd0 wd1

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Neal Hogan
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Vadim Zhukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/6 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: Hello, I just tried to upgrade my machine to 4.7 (release) and it IDs my hard drives differently than 4.6 did. That is, when asked (during upgrade) which disk the root partition is

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Philip Guenther
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Vadim Zhukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/6 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: ... As it was already pointed, one disk is connected to AHCI-compatible controller. ahci0 at pci0 dev 17

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Uwe Dippel
Philip Guenther guenther at gmail.com writes: You now have and now it seems the core discussion is just about whether (or where) an additional rm -rf /usr/obj/* should be added to help people that know enough to set up the source tree for building/patching by untaring src.tar.gz but don't

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
So, no diff here, but a suggestion: If one needs to avoid stale stuff lying around in /usr/obj at applying a patch, the only logical consequence is, to clean out all /obj totally, even before applying a single patch. If I am correct, the instructions should be clear for

Re: Are you a ***Canadian*** Linux user? You're about to become a criminal.

2010-06-05 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
Hi, Is this applicable to OpenBSD also? ( I guess yes ) http://www.reddit.com/comments/cb3n0/are_you_a_canadian_linux_user_youre_about_to/ Canadian DMCA, eh?

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Neal Hogan
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Vadim Zhukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/6 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: ... As it was already pointed, one

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
Don't act like this is normal. It is normal. Where in the archives has this been reported? Why did it have to be reported? You expect every semantic of the way our kernel behaves to be reported ... in the archives? In your dreams.. Like I said, I appreciate the difference and the

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Neal Hogan
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Don't act like this is normal. It is normal. I had not determined that. . . I did not see where somebody's HDDs were interpreted differently. Where in the archives has this been reported? Why did it have to be

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 6/5/10 10:56 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: I had not determined that. . . I did not see where somebody's HDDs were interpreted differently. Hi Neal, It's not the HHD that is interpreted differently, it's the changes and improvement to the controller that is better supported in 4.7 then before.