Re: running cvs update as root (was: Re: New install)

2014-06-10 Thread Alexander Hall
On June 10, 2014 6:24:17 AM CEST, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote: http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html shows the 'cvs update' command being run by root (# shell prompt), and I wouldn't expect any non-root user to have write permission to /usr/src anyway. So... why is doing the cvs-update as

Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Danny
Hi, (A little off-topic) I am due to give a little computer history talk at our local high school. Can anyone remember how much ATT, Berkeley, SystemV or any other UNIX flavour cost in the 70's and 80's? Thank You Danny

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Dorian H.
Searched on Google and found this: ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses.html On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Danny dannydeb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, (A little off-topic) I am due to give a little computer history talk at our local high school. Can anyone remember how much ATT,

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Danny
Thank you. On Jun 10 14, Dorian H. : To: PPC Miscellaneous Discussions misc@openbsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:29:05 +0200 From: Dorian H. doj...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Price of Unix X-Loop: misc@openbsd.org Searched on Google and found this:

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:29:05PM +0200, Dorian H. wrote: Searched on Google and found this: ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses.html Found that one too. You should be able to scare the daylights out of them with this list in particular:

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Nick Holland
On 06/10/14 06:48, Erling Westenvik wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:29:05PM +0200, Dorian H. wrote: Searched on Google and found this: ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses.html Found that one too. You should be able to scare the daylights out of them with this list in particular:

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread David Vasek
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Nick Holland wrote: UNIX System V, Release 2.0, Source Code (1) .. $43,000.00 Each Additional CPU .. $16,000.00 And so on.. :-) OpenBSD: Unix, now more than 99.8% off!! AND free additional CPUs! What a deal! Go buy a cd set now! It's an

Re: Radeondrm on OpenBSD 5.5 stable

2014-06-10 Thread Stan Gammons
On Jun 10, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Jonathan Gray j...@jsg.id.au wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 04:53:23AM -0500, Stan Gammons wrote: On 06/09/2014 01:56 AM, Jonathan Gray wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2014 at 07:01:56AM -0500, Stan Gammons wrote: Is there a known problem with the Radeon driver on

Re: sasyncd usable or not?

2014-06-10 Thread Andy
On 12/05/14 21:11, Alexander Hall wrote: On 05/12/14 13:11, andy wrote: NB; My 'patches' are not really patches as they are not code diff's. They are just suggested changes i've posted on the lists. When I get more time (I'm a one man band at the mo for my company!) I want to get more

Re: sasyncd usable or not?

2014-06-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014/06/10 12:51, Andy wrote: On 12/05/14 21:11, Alexander Hall wrote: On 05/12/14 13:11, andy wrote: NB; My 'patches' are not really patches as they are not code diff's. They are just suggested changes i've posted on the lists. When I get more time (I'm a one man band at the mo for my

Re: sasyncd usable or not?

2014-06-10 Thread Alexander Hall
On 06/10/14 14:00, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2014/06/10 12:51, Andy wrote: On 12/05/14 21:11, Alexander Hall wrote: On 05/12/14 13:11, andy wrote: NB; My 'patches' are not really patches as they are not code diff's. They are just suggested changes i've posted on the lists. When I get more

Re: sasyncd usable or not?

2014-06-10 Thread Alexander Hall
On 06/10/14 13:51, Andy wrote: On 12/05/14 21:11, Alexander Hall wrote: On 05/12/14 13:11, andy wrote: NB; My 'patches' are not really patches as they are not code diff's. They are just suggested changes i've posted on the lists. When I get more time (I'm a one man band at the mo for my

Re: sasyncd usable or not?

2014-06-10 Thread Alexander Hall
On 06/10/14 13:51, Andy wrote: On 12/05/14 21:11, Alexander Hall wrote: On 05/12/14 13:11, andy wrote: NB; My 'patches' are not really patches as they are not code diff's. They are just suggested changes i've posted on the lists. When I get more time (I'm a one man band at the mo for my

Re: Vision 2020: Making OpenBSD the world's fastest OS

2014-06-10 Thread Dennis Davis
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014, John D. Verne wrote: From: John D. Verne j...@clevermonkey.org To: misc@openbsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 01:37:53 Subject: Re: Vision 2020: Making OpenBSD the world's fastest OS ... Probably the biggest reason OpenBSD will never be the fastest OS around is the

page fault trap, code=0

2014-06-10 Thread frantisek holop
when i came back to my netbook left on overnight, this blue message greeted me (manual transcript). the display was also set to its lowest intensity, so the pictures i made are almost unreadable. the acpi buttons to lighten up did not react at this point. kernel: page fault trap, code=0 Stopped

Re: Vision 2020: Making OpenBSD the world's fastest OS

2014-06-10 Thread Gordon Grieder
Too bad there wasn’t a “Like” or “+1” button for mentioning Chuck Yerkes. Must be 10 years since he died. gg — g...@grub.net PGP Key ID DB8BF93C On Jun 10, 2014, at 1:06 AM, Dennis Davis dennisdavis+openbsd-m...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Mon, 9 Jun 2014, John D. Verne wrote: From: John

Re: Tiny characters on screen with drm (radeon)

2014-06-10 Thread Thomas Frick
Thank you very much. Stuart Henderson stu at spacehopper.org writes: Not sure about changing fonts or char size, but you can disable drm: config -ef /bsd disable radeondrm quit

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Nick Holland contributed: ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses/pricelist84.pdf UNIX System V, Release 2.0, Source Code (1) .. $43,000.00 Each Additional CPU .. $16,000.00 And so on.. :-) When this history comes up I wonder that in

xSSL stuff

2014-06-10 Thread Mihai Popescu
I was reading stuff in misc@ about OpenSSL broken things. I see people from OpenBSD started LibreSSL project and they are forking OpenSSL and remove the bad code. This is past, but I see more and more lesions are discovered. It may be a stupid question, but having all these, isn't more efficient

Re: xSSL stuff

2014-06-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
I was reading stuff in misc@ about OpenSSL broken things. I see people from OpenBSD started LibreSSL project and they are forking OpenSSL and remove the bad code. This is past, but I see more and more lesions are discovered. It may be a stupid question, but having all these, isn't more

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Tekk
Kevin Chadwick wrote: previously on this list Nick Holland contributed: ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses/pricelist84.pdf UNIX System V, Release 2.0, Source Code (1) .. $43,000.00 Each Additional CPU .. $16,000.00 And so on.. :-) When this history comes up I

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
the old unix copyrights; they're probably not expiring in the lifetime of anyone on this list. You obviously don't know me. -- Antoine

GTK and setuid.

2014-06-10 Thread Peter Fraser
I installed hylafax-6.0.6p2 on OpenBSD 5.5 and once hylafax was installed sending any fax got the error: Your job to 1-XXX-XXX-XXX was not sent because document conversion failed. The output from the converter program was: \ Check any PostScript documents for non-standard fonts and

restore: no memory to extend symbol table

2014-06-10 Thread Mikolaj Kucharski
Hi, I think I'm hitting memory limit while trying to restore filesystem on one of my VMs. I've tested restore with 1GB of RAM and got error message from the subject. Dump has someting like: # zcat current1.dump.sd0a.gz | restore -t -s1 -f - | wc -l 617560 of files and directories. Do you guys

Re: restore: no memory to extend symbol table

2014-06-10 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 08:14:41PM +0100, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: Hi, I think I'm hitting memory limit while trying to restore filesystem on one of my VMs. I've tested restore with 1GB of RAM and got error message from the subject. Dump has someting like: # zcat current1.dump.sd0a.gz |

Arrandale/Ironlake support in current.

2014-06-10 Thread Johan Svensson
Hi. I've been trying to get my laptop working (it is), but it generates alot of heat. I've read that thinkpad x201i is working good with apmd -C. And the fan is throttling down to a lower speed. So i read about the difference regarding x201 and x201i and noticed that the x201 model has turbo

Re: hplip

2014-06-10 Thread Maurice McCarthy
OK, I think I've got it licked. the dj2540 being alarmingly cheap was never intended for use over the usb. After hp-setup has run it does not even advertise itself as present. After a reboot, lsusb does not show up the printer. The usb connection is only there for the setup program. Did some

Re: hplip

2014-06-10 Thread patrick keshishian
On 6/10/14, Maurice McCarthy m...@mythic-beasts.com wrote: OK, I think I've got it licked. the dj2540 being alarmingly cheap was never intended for use over the usb. After hp-setup has run it does not even advertise itself as present. After a reboot, lsusb does not show up the printer. The usb

Re: [Bulk] Re: slow qemu openbsd

2014-06-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Kevin Chadwick contributed: So I'm hoping I can boot OpenBSD with qemu or Windows or Linux under multiboot or alternatively boot xenserver or something off a usb and select 2 or more of the multiboots to run concurrently. Any input as to if this is possible with

Re: Radeondrm on OpenBSD 5.5 stable

2014-06-10 Thread Stan Gammons
On 06/10/2014 12:01 AM, Jonathan Gray wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 04:53:23AM -0500, Stan Gammons wrote: On 06/09/2014 01:56 AM, Jonathan Gray wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2014 at 07:01:56AM -0500, Stan Gammons wrote: Is there a known problem with the Radeon driver on OpenBSD 5.5 AMD64 stable?

Re: Weird disk problem

2014-06-10 Thread David Vasek
On Sun, 8 Jun 2014, Christian Weisgerber wrote: On 2014-06-05, David Vasek va...@fido.cz wrote: Did you try smartctl from smartmontools for a more detailed report? I assume there is a 1000-page SMART spec somewhere that would come in handy for interpreting the responses? I'm not an

Re: [Bulk] Re: slow qemu openbsd

2014-06-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-06-10, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The kqemu port entry from the attic states. remove kqemu (which was broken, reported by Alexander Schrijver and probably others) and qemu-old; the current qemu version in emulators/qemu works well now (kqemu is no longer supported

Re: Vision 2020: Making OpenBSD the world's fastest OS

2014-06-10 Thread STeve Andre'
On 06/10/14 01:17, Amit Kulkarni wrote: Lastly, I will remind you that the fastest OS compared to OpenBSD is very likely less than 15%. Say its 25% even, and you could get faster hardware to accomedate that. Come on, that is a false assertion. OpenBSD does have its warts, like everybody else

Re: running cvs update as root (was: Re: New install)

2014-06-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-06-10, Alexander Hall alexan...@beard.se wrote: On June 10, 2014 6:24:17 AM CEST, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote: http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html shows the 'cvs update' command being run by root (# shell prompt), and I wouldn't expect any non-root user to have write permission

Re: Vision 2020: Making OpenBSD the world's fastest OS

2014-06-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-06-09, Peter N. M. Hansteen pe...@bsdly.net wrote: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes: Can you share what you changed in login.conf, and what problems were resolved as a result? I mucked around with increasing the shared memory limits, and in fact it helped certain browsers

[LaTeX] Missing enumitem.sty

2014-06-10 Thread Xiánwén Chén
Hi guys, I've installed texlive_base. And yet several files are missing, including enumitem.sty. Is there another package I can install? Kind regards, Xianwen -- Xianwen Chen | xchen.tk

Re: Vision 2020: Making OpenBSD the world's fastest OS

2014-06-10 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org writes: This came up before, and I replied: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-portsm=139450013100779w=2 The knob change you are recommending here allows 2GB shared memory. Depends on the system but for some people this will be way too much. Yes, I should

Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Eric Furman
Of course you realize all the prices on that page were for universities. The prices they charged businesses was *MUCH* higher. What those prices were I don't know. I was only selling PC's, Dos software and Novell software back then (late 80's early 90's). For that the prices ranged from around a

Re: OpenBSD 5.5 on mSATA SSD unit in PC Engines APU.1C - bad dir ino 2 at offset 0: mangled entry kernel panic

2014-06-10 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Chris Cappuccio [ch...@nmedia.net] wrote: Mattieu Baptiste [mattie...@gmail.com] wrote: Le 8 juin 2014 13:38, Nick Ryan n...@njryan.com a ??crit : I know it???s no consolation to you but using a Kingston 30 GB mSATA from amazon works perfectly. The APU is on the May bios and I???ve had no

Re: Vision 2020: Making OpenBSD the world's fastest OS

2014-06-10 Thread Allan Streib
Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org writes: This came up before, and I replied: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-portsm=139450013100779w=2 The knob change you are recommending here allows 2GB shared memory. Depends on the system but for some people this will be way too much. I doubled my

Re: [LaTeX] Missing enumitem.sty

2014-06-10 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 01:08:19AM +0200, Xiánwén Chén wrote: Hi guys, I've installed texlive_base. And yet several files are missing, including enumitem.sty. Is there another package I can install? You probably want texlive_texmf-full: $ pkglocate enumitem.sty

Re: Requested upstream patch to use OpenBSD's malloc

2014-06-10 Thread Andrew Fresh
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:09:09PM -0700, Andrew Fresh wrote: I opened a ticket with upstream to use OpenBSD's malloc by default. https://rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=122000 You will be happy to know this was merged to bleed today.