Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On 19. juli 2013 at 9:13 PM, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote: Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides filing disks? They say Android apps are just an excuse for Java devs to keep programming in Java. Now that HTML5 can access the phone's camera, microphone etc., it's just a matter of time before native mobile apps become obsolete. O.D.
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On 20. juli 2013 at 3:54 PM, Amit Kulkarni amitk...@gmail.com wrote: Nope, plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). why are ports inside /usr/local. it should be /usr/ports. Some ports may fail. Maybe, yeah. I updated PORTSDIR in /etc/mk.conf though. Anyway I just gotta work on freeing up some space and I should be good. Thanks. O.D.
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On 20. juli 2013 at 5:34 PM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: Why are you building the (huge) port, instead of simply installing the package? Whoa. When did that get there? Thanks man! O.D.
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
write error? Did you run out of disk space? On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi, Anybody managed to build /usr/ports/devel/jdk on OpenBSD 5.3? Getting a rather nasty compile error here on amd64, was wondering if maybe someone could help? Tried asking on the ports mailinglist as well as reaching out to the port maintainer but no luck. http://pastie.org/8155843 O.D.
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, Matthew Dempsky matt...@dempsky.org wrote: write error? Did you run out of disk space? Nope, plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). % df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 985M 50.8M885M 5%/ /dev/wd0k 9.2G434M8.3G 5%/home /dev/wd0d 1.5G 12.0K1.5G 0%/tmp /dev/wd0f 1.8G404M1.3G24%/usr /dev/wd0g 1005M192M763M20%/usr/X11R6 /dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%/usr/local /dev/wd0j 2.0G2.0K1.9G 0%/usr/obj /dev/wd0i 1.3G2.0K1.3G 0%/usr/src /dev/wd0e 2.4G 77.5M2.2G 3%/var O.D. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi, Anybody managed to build /usr/ports/devel/jdk on OpenBSD 5.3? Getting a rather nasty compile error here on amd64, was wondering if maybe someone could help? Tried asking on the ports mailinglist as well as reaching out to the port maintainer but no luck. http://pastie.org/8155843 O.D.
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 09:12:57PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides filing disks? ^^ Rightful cobol successor, then See yesterday's dilbert... http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2013-07-18/
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
Miod Vallat wrote: Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides filing disks? Miod métaphysico-théologo-cosmolo-nigologie :) Language wars are s-o-o-o 20th century. -- Jack Woehr # We commonly say we have no time when, Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that there is. http://www.softwoehr.com # - James Mason, _The Art of Chess_, 1905
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Jack Woehr jwo...@softwoehr.com wrote: Miod Vallat wrote: Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides filing disks? Miod métaphysico-théologo-cosmolo-nigologie :) Hey, what editor did you type that in? Language wars are s-o-o-o 20th century.
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
openda...@hushmail.com wrote: On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, Matthew Dempsky matt...@dempsky.org wrote: plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). /dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%/usr/local Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. -- Jack Woehr # We commonly say we have no time when, Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that there is. http://www.softwoehr.com # - James Mason, _The Art of Chess_, 1905
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:37:40PM +, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, Matthew Dempsky matt...@dempsky.org wrote: write error? Did you run out of disk space? Nope, plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). % df -h Check also the output of df -i. Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 985M 50.8M885M 5%/ /dev/wd0k 9.2G434M8.3G 5%/home /dev/wd0d 1.5G 12.0K1.5G 0%/tmp /dev/wd0f 1.8G404M1.3G24%/usr /dev/wd0g 1005M192M763M20%/usr/X11R6 /dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%/usr/local /dev/wd0j 2.0G2.0K1.9G 0%/usr/obj /dev/wd0i 1.3G2.0K1.3G 0%/usr/src /dev/wd0e 2.4G 77.5M2.2G 3%/var O.D. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi, Anybody managed to build /usr/ports/devel/jdk on OpenBSD 5.3? Getting a rather nasty compile error here on amd64, was wondering if maybe someone could help? Tried asking on the ports mailinglist as well as reaching out to the port maintainer but no luck. http://pastie.org/8155843 O.D. -- Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado http://juanfra.info
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
2013/7/19 openda...@hushmail.com: % df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 985M 50.8M885M 5%/ /dev/wd0k 9.2G434M8.3G 5%/home /dev/wd0d 1.5G 12.0K1.5G 0%/tmp /dev/wd0f 1.8G404M1.3G24%/usr /dev/wd0g 1005M192M763M20%/usr/X11R6 /dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%/usr/local /dev/wd0j 2.0G2.0K1.9G 0%/usr/obj /dev/wd0i 1.3G2.0K1.3G 0%/usr/src /dev/wd0e 2.4G 77.5M2.2G 3%/var Buy a harddisc from this decade, please. Best Martin
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:06:16PM -0600, Jack Woehr wrote: openda...@hushmail.com wrote: On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, Matthew Dempsky matt...@dempsky.org wrote: plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). /dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%/usr/local Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. Depends which one, which platform. amd64: devel/jdk/1.6(jdk-1.6.0.32p4) 1694740 devel/jdk/1.7(jdk-1.7.0.21v0) 2120198 i386; devel/jdk/1.6(jdk-1.6.0.32p4) 1548448 devel/jdk/1.7(jdk-1.7.0.21v0) 3169942 so, 1.6 would fit, barely. 1.7 ? no way. isn't dpb -s great ? :)
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides filing disks? Miod
Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3
On 07/19/13 18:37, Martin Schröder wrote: 2013/7/19 openda...@hushmail.com: % df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 985M 50.8M885M 5%/ /dev/wd0k 9.2G434M8.3G 5%/home /dev/wd0d 1.5G 12.0K1.5G 0%/tmp /dev/wd0f 1.8G404M1.3G24%/usr /dev/wd0g 1005M192M763M20%/usr/X11R6 /dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%/usr/local /dev/wd0j 2.0G2.0K1.9G 0%/usr/obj /dev/wd0i 1.3G2.0K1.3G 0%/usr/src /dev/wd0e 2.4G 77.5M2.2G 3%/var Buy a harddisc from this decade, please. Best Martin and then install the package.
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On 1/12/07, Kurt Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attached are two patch files that you can drop in /usr/ports/devel/jdk/1.5/patches that hopefully will fix your amd64 build issue. Please let me know if this fixes it for you and I'll work on getting this in 4.0-stable. Thank you very much, the patches work for jdk-1.5p19 (from 4.0 ports.tar.gz) and for jdk-1.5p20 (cvs update for OPENBSD_4_0). BTW, I replied to your email on ports@ (the mailing list). Ports build problems should be dealt with there. For example I have 17,838 unread messages from [EMAIL PROTECTED] I easily could have missed your issue. Sorry about that. I'm replying to ports too (unless it bounces).
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On 1/10/07, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only outstanding question is, has bofh gotten 1.5 to compile and install correctly on his amd64 box with Kurt's previous suggestion? ? The first note from Kurt says he's working on a patch, and the second mentioned a thread in ports@, and I didn't see anything that refers to what I was doing. I did update ports (nightly cvs with -rOPENSD_4_0) and jdk went from p20 to p21, IIRC. The new build failed too. As an aside, on amd64, since 3.9-current from months ago, jdk 1.5 only required kaffe, and I had used it without issues (see: [EMAIL PROTECTED]). But I appreciate the time and effort you had put in to help me, seriously. But that's why my original email was a little brief.
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On Monday 08 January 2007 17:38, bofh wrote: I tried installing the jdk I had built under 3.9, jdk-1.5.0p14, that installed without problems, however: It has been said many, many times yet people still regularly make same the mistake which you have made: Packages (and ports) from one version of OpenBSD are not supported under other versions. You might think you and your FrankenSystem are somehow clever but more often than not, you are wasting your time. You are much better off doing things in the supported manner.
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 08 January 2007 17:38, bofh wrote: I tried installing the jdk I had built under 3.9, jdk-1.5.0p14, that installed without problems, however: It has been said many, many times yet people still regularly make same the mistake which you have made: Packages (and ports) from one version of OpenBSD are not supported under other versions. You might think you and your FrankenSystem are somehow clever but more often than not, you are wasting your time. You are much better off doing things in the supported manner. Dude, I *was* trying to set it up in the supported manner. See the previous parts of the email. I was just testing it to see if it may work, since the supported manner did not work. Thanx.
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 06:20, bofh wrote: On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 08 January 2007 17:38, bofh wrote: I tried installing the jdk I had built under 3.9, jdk-1.5.0p14, that installed without problems, however: It has been said many, many times yet people still regularly make same the mistake which you have made: Packages (and ports) from one version of OpenBSD are not supported under other versions. You might think you and your FrankenSystem are somehow clever but more often than not, you are wasting your time. You are much better off doing things in the supported manner. Dude, I *was* trying to set it up in the supported manner. See the previous parts of the email. I was just testing it to see if it may work, since the supported manner did not work. Thanx. I've been in no rush to build and install java, and in fact I've been dreading the idea for a couple months but since you're hitting problems, I decided to start on it after reading your post to see if I could help. In the handful of hours since my last reply, I've managed to download, build and install jdk 1.3 from ports and I've got 1.4 currently building while I type this. As you probably know, having a working JVM is a prerequisite for building 1.4 and 1.5. As soon as I get 1.4 built and installed, I'll start on 1.5 Like OpenOffice, building java seems to use a a lot of swap. How large is your swap partition/slice? My limits are (far) more conservative than yours: $ ulimit -a time(cpu-seconds)unlimited file(blocks) unlimited coredump(blocks) unlimited data(kbytes) 524288 stack(kbytes)4096 lockedmem(kbytes)315906 memory(kbytes) 946192 nofiles(descriptors) 64 processes64 $ Lastly, as what user are you building the port? Kind Regards, JCR
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always believed i had to install linux emulation first. Thanks for the clarifications. On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 09 January 2007 06:20, bofh wrote: On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 08 January 2007 17:38, bofh wrote: I tried installing the jdk I had built under 3.9, jdk-1.5.0p14, that installed without problems, however: It has been said many, many times yet people still regularly make same the mistake which you have made: Packages (and ports) from one version of OpenBSD are not supported under other versions. You might think you and your FrankenSystem are somehow clever but more often than not, you are wasting your time. You are much better off doing things in the supported manner. Dude, I *was* trying to set it up in the supported manner. See the previous parts of the email. I was just testing it to see if it may work, since the supported manner did not work. Thanx. I've been in no rush to build and install java, and in fact I've been dreading the idea for a couple months but since you're hitting problems, I decided to start on it after reading your post to see if I could help. In the handful of hours since my last reply, I've managed to download, build and install jdk 1.3 from ports and I've got 1.4 currently building while I type this. As you probably know, having a working JVM is a prerequisite for building 1.4 and 1.5. As soon as I get 1.4 built and installed, I'll start on 1.5 Like OpenOffice, building java seems to use a a lot of swap. How large is your swap partition/slice? My limits are (far) more conservative than yours: $ ulimit -a time(cpu-seconds)unlimited file(blocks) unlimited coredump(blocks) unlimited data(kbytes) 524288 stack(kbytes)4096 lockedmem(kbytes)315906 memory(kbytes) 946192 nofiles(descriptors) 64 processes64 $ Lastly, as what user are you building the port? Kind Regards, JCR
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 08:37, Gustavo Rios wrote: Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always believed i had to install linux emulation first. Thanks for the clarifications. Hi Gustavo, For building 1.4, you need the 1.3-linux port installed. The latter requires the kern.emul.linux sysctrl enabled in kernel as well as the redhat base port (6.2 or better). For building 1.5, you need to have 1.4 installed. -The typical Sun chicken and egg problem. The port dependencies are changing for the next release. According to what I read on ports@, if you follow -CURRENT, there have been some recent changes to the 1.5 jdk port which uses a different/lightweight jvm to prevent the Sun chicken-egg (and linux) problems. Most of all, do not get your hopes up. Even if you only want to use java applications, the odds of them working correctly is not very good in spite of the supposed run anywhere crap that Sun states. The painfully sad truth is if you're doing any serious development and testing in Java, you have to debug everywhere and you normally need to have ton of jre/jdk installations on each of your supported OS/hardware combinations. You really do need multiple systems as well as multiple installations of java on each system; versions, subversions and sub-subversion (1.4-01, 1.4-02, 1.4-03 and so on as well as 1.5-01, 1.5-02 ... ad infinitum). It's a major pain in the ass. I truly hate it and I won't touch java unless someone is paying me really well to deal with such headaches. Sun doesn't actually fix java bugs, instead they just move the bugs around so you never know where they are hiding. ;-) kind regards, jcr
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On Monday 08 January 2007 8:38 pm, bofh wrote: What am I doing wrong? This is openbsd 4.0 on a DL145, dual opteron. Thanx for any pointers! I've replied to your build problem on the ports@ list, but just to clarify some things said in this thread: Beginning with OpenBSD 4.0 devel/jdk/1.5 no longer requires users to src build 1.3-linux and 1.4. It uses an open-source jdk to bootstrap the build now. -Kurt
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 09:08, J.C. Roberts wrote: When I built 1.5 on openbsd 3.9-current, it didn't require building 1.3 and 1.4. It didn't look like 4.0 needed it either. In fact, on amd64, it won't build jdk1.4 Though people joke about the chicken-egg problem, you need a working JVM to build the jdk, so maybe you just didn't notice the use/install of a previous version (i.e. scrolled far off screen). As for the dependencies in the jdk/1.5 port, it varies based on arch and port flavor you want to build. There was a post to the ports@ mailing list recently regarding changes in the dependencies. In general, you need a jvm to build one. In the case of the jdk/1.5 port on 4.0-STABLE, it tends to use kaffe rather than Sun on most flavors other than the native-bootstrap flavor. BTW, if your goal is to have a working java plugin for mozilla/firefox I suggest you read /usr/ports/devel/jdk/1.5/pkg/MESSAGE-amd64 NOTE: The plugin does not work on amd64 yet. Well, the 1.4 port completed it's build, installed successfully and surprisingly enough, actually runs. ;-) $ java -version java version 1.4.2-p7 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2-p7-_09_jan_2007_05_58) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-p7-_09_jan_2007_05_58, mixed mode) $ I've hit a different problem than yours while trying to build jdk/1.5, well more accurately, trying to build the lang/kaffe dependency mentioned above. Adding java source files from VM directory /usr/ports/lang/kaffe/w-kaffe-1.1.7p2/kaffe-1.1.7/libraries/javalib/vmspecific Adding generated files in builddir '..'. gmake[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/ports/lang/kaffe/w-kaffe-1.1.7p2/kaffe-1.1.7/libraries/javaoosowxuownonowmkwssxozuwo', needed by `compile-classes'. Stop. gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/kaffe/w-kaffe-1.1.7p2/build-i386/libraries/javalib/external/classpath/lib' gmake[2]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/kaffe/w-kaffe-1.1.7p2/build-i386/libraries/javalib/external/classpath' gmake[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/kaffe/w-kaffe-1.1.7p2/build-i386/libraries/javalib' gmake: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/kaffe (line 1995 of /usr/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/jdk/1.5 (line 1431 of /usr/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk). $ give me a few and I might be able to get it sorted out... jcr
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On 9-Jan-07, at 12:42 PM, J.C. Roberts wrote: The painfully sad truth is if you're doing any serious development and testing in Java, you have to debug everywhere and you normally need to have ton of jre/jdk installations on each of your supported OS/ hardware combinations. You really do need multiple systems as well as multiple installations of java on each system; versions, subversions and sub-subversion (1.4-01, 1.4-02, 1.4-03 and so on as well as 1.5-01, 1.5-02 ... ad infinitum). It's a major pain in the ass. I truly hate it and I won't touch java unless someone is paying me really well to deal with such headaches. Who fed you that load of silliness? I could maybe understand having 1.4 and 1.5 but if you can't keep something stable across the small releases you're doing something seriously stupid.
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 13:37:37 -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote: Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always believed i had to install linux emulation first. No, I don't think so. I just installed jdk-1.5.0p19 from the port: very much make; make install After that, I could compile and run helloworld.java :-) If you want the packages, email me privately. HTH, Zoong
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 12:26, Zoong PHAM wrote: On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 13:37:37 -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote: Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always believed i had to install linux emulation first. No, I don't think so. I just installed jdk-1.5.0p19 from the port: very much make; make install After that, I could compile and run helloworld.java :-) If you want the packages, email me privately. HTH, Zoong Actually the answer depends on which sun java version you're trying to build. The devel/jdk/1.4 port requires linux emulation so it can execute the java vm necessary to complete the build. The devel/jdk/1.5 port depends on the lang/kaffe port for the java vm needed to complete the build (on most all of the 1.5 port flavors except the native-bootstrap flavor). JCR
Re: java on openbsd 4.0?
Gustavo Rios [2007-01-09, 13:37:37]: Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always believed i had to install linux emulation first. if something is unclear about the section 'Building the Sun JDK' in FAQ 8, please let us know what it is. Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
Re: java on openbsd
On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:31:21AM +0800, Lars Hansson wrote: On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:53:54 -0500 Josh Grosse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Per FAQ 8.3, Java 1.5 or 1.4 must be built from source. An overnight download have an of the files should not be a huge problem, considering how much time, computing, memory, and storage resource is needed to build it. Except that you need to navigate the Sun download pages mess, click thru license agreements and have an account (I think). Then you need to install X number of Linux JDK's, wich pulls in all the Linux emulation packages and then you have to actually compile it and hope you enough disk and ram. Wouldnt it be possible for someone other then the OpenBSD project to legally share their built packages? --- Lars Hansson I don't suppose it's possible to enable Solaris emulation and just rip the necessary bits from their x86 Java packages? -Damian
Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 11:27:36PM +0100, Matthias Kilian wrote: [snip] It does not run on arm/OpenBSD. It does not run on powerpc/OpenBSD. It does not run on vax/OpenBSD. Heck, it even behaves differently in on i386/Linux, i386/Windows, sparc/Solaris and pSeries/Linux, and to this platform diversity the vendor diversity (Sun vs. IBM) yet adds more subtile differences, especially if it comes to threads or GC behaviour. Believe it or not: Java is *not* platform independent, at least not in so-called enterprise environments. [snip] Ciao, Kili, making a life with Java since about 1998. Java, the language, is an open specification that can be implemented by anyone. Java, the brand, requires the implementor to license Sun's test suite (for like $10,000 if memory serves me) and pass the tests in order to use their logos, etc. The Java Virtual Machine is also an open specification that can be implemented by anyone. Not every part of the system is defined and various implementors have done certain things differently. Also, the JVM must run on top of an operating system, so bugs in the OS may impact its performance. The bytecode should be portable assuming that the JVM works as advertised. I agree that Sun makes it a pain in the ass for people not running certain operating systems to use their Java tools. Whatever. Either deal with it, don't use it, work on one of the non-commercial JVMs or use a different OS for your Java environment. That being said, I've run Blackdown's JVM and class libraries for Java2 rev. 1.4.X on BSD without issue. Actually, that's not true I did run into some issues with cryptographic classes (license validation), but it was easy enough to work around that problem. Java may make certain classes of applications extremely easy to develop, but it's not going to replace something like C. Indeed, some Java classes in the standard class library require callouts to C routines via JNI. Also, remember that Java was initially called Oak and was targetting the embedded space. I'm not surprised there have been issues in the non-embedded space. http://ei.cs.vt.edu/book/chap1/java_hist.html -Damian
Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:24:37AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Jeff Quast [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't want to download the source for java and compile... I am on dialup so every byte counts. I believe that java on bsd through emulation should be possible; probably just an oversight somwhere on my part. If anybody can give me some tips or tricks I would really appreciate it. I would, but I would just be (poorly) repeating information that developers have painstakingly documented. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming I've read that info; the preferred way of installing java (on openbsd) is by compiling from source. As I am a full time java developer, I use and test several different jdks at once. You might be able to understand why I am hesitant to compile and download all this stuff when openbsd supports linux emulation, and I already have downloaded all the linux jdks that I need. If you're getting paid to develop on this, a little phone bill shouldn't be that problematic, and you've already wasted as much time here as it would have taken to download it in the first place. If you're so set on using Linux JDKs, use Linux. That's what they are for. If you really want, use Linux under some emulator (qemu is in ports). The fact that NetBSD apparently does manage to run your JDKs doesn't necessarily mean it manages to run them reliably, either. You should really send your grievences to sun, not openbsd misc. OpenBSD can't change Sun's licensing policies -- they can only abide by them. Maybe all of this hoop jumping will make you realize that using this language is a bad career move? that is laughable, especially considering sun's anouncement yesterday to GPL the entire java stack. Not trying to start a flame war here, but open solaris, nexenta (solaris kernel, debian apps), and a million linux distros all support Java really well. I am trying a java / openbsd combination because I've heard good things about openbsd, and from what I've seen so far I am very happy with it. I understand fully why openbsd has issues with Java. I am not blaming them / you at all. OpenBSD supports Java really well. Its Linux emulation is not perfect, granted, but that's a wholly different issue. Joachim
Re: java on openbsd
Quoting Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:24:37AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Jeff Quast [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't want to download the source for java and compile... I am on dialup so every byte counts. I believe that java on bsd through emulation should be possible; probably just an oversight somwhere on my part. If anybody can give me some tips or tricks I would really appreciate it. I would, but I would just be (poorly) repeating information that developers have painstakingly documented. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming I've read that info; the preferred way of installing java (on openbsd) is by compiling from source. As I am a full time java developer, I use and test several different jdks at once. You might be able to understand why I am hesitant to compile and download all this stuff when openbsd supports linux emulation, and I already have downloaded all the linux jdks that I need. If you're getting paid to develop on this, a little phone bill shouldn't be that problematic, Right now I work for myself, out of my house; time and bandwith cost money which is hard to come by at this point. I'd also rather spend time on learning so I can save time the next time I come to a (similar) problem. and you've already wasted as much time here as it would have taken to download it in the first place. hardly, you obviously have no idea what downloading on dial-up is like, especially when other family members need to access the phone as well. If you're so set on using Linux JDKs, use Linux. That's what they are for. If you really want, use Linux under some emulator (qemu is in ports). The fact that NetBSD apparently does manage to run your JDKs doesn't necessarily mean it manages to run them reliably, either. You're missing the point entirely. I already had several jdks in linux, thought I could save some time / bandwith and use them through emulation on openbsd. Forget that I mentioned anything about netbsd, linux, etc. Thanks to the kind souls who offered suggestions or binary downloads. I will have access to high speed for a few hours in the near future, and will try downloading the source then. Marc You should really send your grievences to sun, not openbsd misc. OpenBSD can't change Sun's licensing policies -- they can only abide by them. Maybe all of this hoop jumping will make you realize that using this language is a bad career move? that is laughable, especially considering sun's anouncement yesterday to GPL the entire java stack. Not trying to start a flame war here, but open solaris, nexenta (solaris kernel, debian apps), and a million linux distros all support Java really well. I am trying a java / openbsd combination because I've heard good things about openbsd, and from what I've seen so far I am very happy with it. I understand fully why openbsd has issues with Java. I am not blaming them / you at all. OpenBSD supports Java really well. Its Linux emulation is not perfect, granted, but that's a wholly different issue. Joachim
Re: [Fwd: Re: java on openbsd]
- Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:18:36 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: java on openbsd] To: Keith Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Keith Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't know if you are subscribed to the ports@ list. Thought I would forward you Kurt Miller's response just in case. He is the maintainer of all Java ports on OpenBSD so I would consider his answer authoritative. FWIW - I run java (1.4 and 1.5) and have no problems. Best advice I can give is to download all the packages that build/runtime depends on and java dist files on a fast connection and then build the native java. Here are the packages you will need before building / running on -release # cd /usr/ports/devel/jdk/1.5 # make full-all-depends hicolor-icon-theme-0.5p0 bzip2-1.0.3 help2man-1.29 autoconf-2.57p0 autoconf-2.59p1 metaauto-0.5 libtool-1.5.22p0 libiconv-1.9.2p3 jikes-1.22p0 expat-2.0.0 gettext-0.14.5p1 gtar-1.15.1p4 gmake-3.80p1 pkgconfig-0.19p0 glib2-2.10.3 atk-1.10.3p1 libIDL-0.8.5p0 glitz-0.4.4 jpeg-6bp3 tiff-3.8.2p0 gmp-4.1.4p0 libaudiofile-0.2.6p0 libltdl-1.5.22p1 autoconf-2.13p0 esound-0.2.34p0 unzip-5.52 zip-2.32 openmotif-2.1.30.5p1 png-1.2.12 cairo-1.0.4p0 pango-1.12.3 gtk+2-2.8.20 kaffe-1.1.7p2 mozilla-devel-1.7.13p0 # cd /usr/ports/devel/jdk/1.4 # make full-all-depends bzip2-1.0.3 help2man-1.29 autoconf-2.59p1 autoconf-2.57p0 metaauto-0.5 libtool-1.5.22p0 iodbc-3.52.4 libiconv-1.9.2p3 expat-2.0.0 gettext-0.14.5p1 gtar-1.15.1p4 gcpio-2.6 gmake-3.80p1 popt-1.7p0 rpm-3.0.6p4 redhat_base-8.0p8 jdk-linux-1.3.1_16 unzip-5.52 zip-2.32 ghostscript-fonts-6.0p0 openmotif-2.1.30.5p1 autoconf-2.13p0 nspr-4.4.1p0 Original Message Subject:Re: java on openbsd Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:20:45 -0500 From: Kurt Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ports@openbsd.org References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 14 November 2006 8:07 am, you wrote: However, whenever I run java, I get a Can't detect initial thread stack location - find_vma failed error. This is for sun's jdk 1.5.06 as well as one of the newer 1.6 versions. IBM's jdk1.4 says it cannot read or write (not sure exactly anymore) to /proc/. I've tried running all three versions as root to check for permission errors, but it makes no difference. I've googled for hours trying to find a solution, but can't seem to fix it. Our linux emulation doesn't support the features needed by linux jdk binaries (1.4 and up). Our native jdk's work quite well (especially devel/jdk/1.5) but you need to build from source. -Kurt That package list helps a lot. I didn't know you could generate a dependency list like that (see my other message today: packages). Thanks! Marc - End forwarded message -
Re: java on openbsd
On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. I'll bet. difference. I've googled for hours trying to find a solution, but can't seem to fix it. Lucky for you! My google works: http://www.google.com/search?q=openbsd+java I really don't want to download the source for java and compile... I am on dialup so every byte counts. I am sorry for this, as this is a very involved process that requires I agree several times through the build. I beleive it took me two days work on a fast machine on broadband. Only because of Sun's web pages (which are very hard to navigate using lynx, of course). netbsd and got it working through linux emulation as well. I had problems with netbsd so it didn't stick around, but I believe that java on bsd through emulation should be possible; probably just an oversight somwhere on my part. If anybody can give me some tips or tricks I would really appreciate it. I would, but I would just be (poorly) repeating information that developers have painstakingly documented. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming Thanks for your time, Marc If you're just asking for somebody to provide you with a complete binary package of the completed build, then you are asking us to break the law. Sun wants you to build it yourself, so that is what you will have to do. Sorry, but this just sounds like you are complaining. You should really send your grievences to sun, not openbsd misc. OpenBSD can't change Sun's licensing policies -- they can only abide by them. Maybe all of this hoop jumping will make you realize that using this language is a bad career move? jdq
Re: java on openbsd
On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Java is a deal-breaker for me as I use it all day every day for work. What I've done is taken a tar of the linux version, and untarred it in openbsd. I have turned on linux emulation by modifying the variable in /etc/sysctl.conf, and I've mounted the /proc filesystem. I have also pkg_added redhat-base8.xxx. However, whenever I run java, I get a Can't detect initial thread stack location - find_vma failed error. This is for sun's jdk 1.5.06 as well as one of the newer 1.6 versions. IBM's jdk1.4 says it cannot read or write (not sure exactly anymore) to /proc/. I've tried running all three versions as root to check for permission errors, but it makes no difference. I've googled for hours trying to find a solution, but can't seem to fix it. I really don't want to download the source for java and compile... I am on dialup so every byte counts. A little while ago I tried java on netbsd and got it working through linux emulation as well. I had problems with netbsd so it didn't stick around, but I believe that java on bsd through emulation should be possible; probably just an oversight somwhere on my part. I didn't try any linux 1.5/1.6 jdk, but perhaps you missed something for your linux emulation? read man compat_linux, perhaps it helps. the other options you have is having someone mail you the source on cd, or use kaffe (don't know how useful it is for your purposes). --knitti
Re: java on openbsd
On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, first I'd like to mention that openbsd 4.0 is a first for me, and I am really liking it so far (I am a linux refugee...). I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Thanks for your time, Marc Java's unsupported more or less. See the FAQ: http://openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming Due to Sun's restrictive SCSL license, OpenBSD cannot ship binary packages for the JDK. This means you will have to build it from ports. Note that you will need plenty of RAM for this build to succeed. Sorry :( I don't know why running it under linux emulation doesn't work; perhaps you just have it set up incorrectly somewhere. Is it possible to download it at a friend's? -Nick
Re: java on openbsd
Quoting knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Java is a deal-breaker for me as I use it all day every day for work. What I've done is taken a tar of the linux version, and untarred it in openbsd. I have turned on linux emulation by modifying the variable in /etc/sysctl.conf, and I've mounted the /proc filesystem. I have also pkg_added redhat-base8.xxx. However, whenever I run java, I get a Can't detect initial thread stack location - find_vma failed error. This is for sun's jdk 1.5.06 as well as one of the newer 1.6 versions. IBM's jdk1.4 says it cannot read or write (not sure exactly anymore) to /proc/. I've tried running all three versions as root to check for permission errors, but it makes no difference. I've googled for hours trying to find a solution, but can't seem to fix it. I really don't want to download the source for java and compile... I am on dialup so every byte counts. A little while ago I tried java on netbsd and got it working through linux emulation as well. I had problems with netbsd so it didn't stick around, but I believe that java on bsd through emulation should be possible; probably just an oversight somwhere on my part. I didn't try any linux 1.5/1.6 jdk, but perhaps you missed something for your linux emulation? read man compat_linux, perhaps it helps. the other options you have is having someone mail you the source on cd, or use kaffe (don't know how useful it is for your purposes). --knitti Thanks for your response. Kaffe won't work for me as it is missing a few feature s that I need (most notable swing support is not up to snuff yet). Marc
Re: java on openbsd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your response. Kaffe won't work for me as it is missing a few feature s that I need (most notable swing support is not up to snuff yet). For now, then, unfortunately you'll have to follow the normal port-building instructions, which are lame to say the least. When Sun makes good on its promise to GPL the whole thing, it should become much easier. -- Matthew Weigel hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: java on openbsd
Hi Marc, On Nov 14, 2006, at 5:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I didn't try any linux 1.5/1.6 jdk, but perhaps you missed something for your linux emulation? read man compat_linux, perhaps it helps. the other options you have is having someone mail you the source on cd, or use kaffe (don't know how useful it is for your purposes). --knitti Thanks for your response. Kaffe won't work for me as it is missing a few feature s that I need (most notable swing support is not up to snuff yet). This is probably not what the poster meant. You really need to read the FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming What your are looking for is Building the Sun JDK. The JDK requires a working Java 2 compiler as a bootstrap to build. For this purpose, since OpenBSD 4.0, the port of JDK 1.5 uses kaffe, which allows JDK 1.5 to be used on both i386 and amd64 platforms, and reduces the build time considerably. You only need kaffe to build SUN's JDK. It's all in the FAQ (and probably in the archives). @others: stop picking on SUN and Java. It's actually a nice language and going to be GPL software very soon, so I guess there will be an option for binary packages and other nice stuff soon. regards, Tobias
Re: java on openbsd
Quoting Jeff Quast [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. I'll bet. difference. I've googled for hours trying to find a solution, but can't seem to fix it. Lucky for you! My google works: http://www.google.com/search?q=openbsd+java thanks for that... my point was that reading the results that google gives does not help my situation. I really don't want to download the source for java and compile... I am on dialup so every byte counts. I am sorry for this, as this is a very involved process that requires I agree several times through the build. I beleive it took me two days work on a fast machine on broadband. Only because of Sun's web pages (which are very hard to navigate using lynx, of course). netbsd and got it working through linux emulation as well. I had problems with netbsd so it didn't stick around, but I believe that java on bsd through emulation should be possible; probably just an oversight somwhere on my part. If anybody can give me some tips or tricks I would really appreciate it. I would, but I would just be (poorly) repeating information that developers have painstakingly documented. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming I've read that info; the preferred way of installing java (on openbsd) is by compiling from source. As I am a full time java developer, I use and test several different jdks at once. You might be able to understand why I am hesitant to compile and download all this stuff when openbsd supports linux emulation, and I already have downloaded all the linux jdks that I need. Thanks for your time, Marc If you're just asking for somebody to provide you with a complete binary package of the completed build, then you are asking us to break the law. Sun wants you to build it yourself, so that is what you will have to do. How do you jump to that conclusion from my email? No, never asked for that. Sorry, but this just sounds like you are complaining. What I was doing was asking for tips on getting linux emulation (more particularly, linux jdk binaries) working under openbsd. You should really send your grievences to sun, not openbsd misc. OpenBSD can't change Sun's licensing policies -- they can only abide by them. Maybe all of this hoop jumping will make you realize that using this language is a bad career move? that is laughable, especially considering sun's anouncement yesterday to GPL the entire java stack. Not trying to start a flame war here, but open solaris, nexenta (solaris kernel, debian apps), and a million linux distros all support Java really well. I am trying a java / openbsd combination because I've heard good things about openbsd, and from what I've seen so far I am very happy with it. I understand fully why openbsd has issues with Java. I am not blaming them / you at all. All I asked for was some advice getting this working. If you're going to bash me over the head for that, perhaps you'd consider not replying at all... save both your time and mine. Marc
Re: java on openbsd
@others: stop picking on SUN and Java. It's actually a nice language and going to be GPL software very soon, so I guess there will be an option for binary packages and other nice stuff soon. Java is a shitshow, it isn't a nice language. Stop defending Sun and their ridiculous licenses. The day Sun shows up as a real player in the open source world this could be justified. For now they are just another closed vendor. You don't get a cookie for trying or pretending.
Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:42:39 +0100, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Java's unsupported more or less. See the FAQ: http://openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming Due to Sun's restrictive SCSL license, OpenBSD cannot ship binary packages for the JDK. This means you will have to build it from ports. Note that you will need plenty of RAM for this build to succeed. Sorry :( I this information still current, now that Java has released the JDK under the terms of the GPL? https://openjdk.dev.java.net/ I really hope that there will be an improvement of the situation for OpenBSD soon, including proper Java packages. But I am not a lawyer, correct me if I am wrong. Bernd
Re: java on openbsd
Bernd Schoeller wrote: I this information still current, now that Java has released the JDK under the terms of the GPL? No, they haven't released the JDK under the GPL. They *will*. Currently, they have released a virtual machine and javac under the GPL. The remainder of the open-source JDK will be available in the first half of 2007. -- Matthew Weigel hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: java on openbsd
On Nov 14, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: Java is a shitshow, it isn't a nice language. Hurling obscenities at Java, a mediocre language per se which happens to offer a wonderful team development environment with a breathtaking array of tools, doesn't generate any code to make OpenBSD a better operating system. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: java on openbsd
* Bernd Schoeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-11-14 19:25]: I this information still current, now that Java has released the JDK under the terms of the GPL? they have _not_ released the JDK (-source) under the gpl. they have released javac, hotpot and the help system under the gpl (at lest, they say they have, i didn't check). there's a whole lot missing to the full jdk. now, they have promised to released the remaining parts under the gpl as well. we'll see. they have promised a lot in the past, let's hope it is more than just promises this time. -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: java on openbsd
Original message Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:41:35 -0600 From: Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: java on openbsd To: Tobias Weisserth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: misc@openbsd.org @others: stop picking on SUN and Java. It's actually a nice language and going to be GPL software very soon, so I guess there will be an option for binary packages and other nice stuff soon. Java is a shitshow, it isn't a nice language. Stop defending Sun and their ridiculous licenses. The day Sun shows up as a real player in the open source world this could be justified. For now they are just another closed vendor. You don't get a cookie for trying or pretending. marco, don't you know you're not licensed to circulate compiled opinions about Sun source code? you're supposed to let everyone else click through the stupid menus, download source packages that are about as big as the openbsd install sets, adjust their ulimits, spend a lot of time compiling something that should be available as a package and THEN they can form a properly licensed opinion. cheers, jake
Re: java on openbsd
On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I asked for was some advice getting this working. If you're going to bash me over the head for that, perhaps you'd consider not replying at all... save both your time and mine. Did you get it working? I have Java working on OpenBSD. Also, there's another list where people care that you do get it running: [EMAIL PROTECTED] misc@openbsd.org is a little bit like that old Monty Python routine: Oh, I'm sorry, this is Arguments. Abuse is down the hall. :-) Jack -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: java on openbsd
Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your response. Kaffe won't work for me as it is missing a few feature s that I need (most notable swing support is not up to snuff yet). For now, then, unfortunately you'll have to follow the normal port-building instructions, which are lame to say the least. When Sun makes good on its promise to GPL the whole thing, it should become much easier. They already have: http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/11/open-source-java ./matt
Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:07:50AM -0500, Marc Ravensbergen wrote: ...I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Java is a deal-breaker for me as I use it all day every day for work. What I've done is taken a tar of the linux version... snip ...I really don't want to download the source for java and compile... I am on dialup so every byte counts snip ...If anybody can give me some tips or tricks I would really appreciate it. Per FAQ 8.3, Java 1.5 or 1.4 must be built from source. An overnight download of the files should not be a huge problem, considering how much time, computing, memory, and storage resource is needed to build it. Kaffe is now used as a Java compiler to bootstrap the builds of Java 1.4 or 1.5. Luckily, the port for Java 1.3-linux still exists. This is a binary port, that used to be used to build Java 1.4/1.5. If 1.3 is sufficient for your needs, then this Linux emulation port may work better for you than trying to accomplish an emulation on your own. Obtain the ports tree, then issue: $ cd /usr/ports/devel/jdk/1.3-linux $ make install Eventually, the project should have native packages once Sun completes its migration to Java GPL. It was just announced, and if they meet their intended schedule, you may hope that binary packages will be on the mirrors in November 2007 for the 4.2-release.
Re: java on openbsd
Heh, java lets me work on OpenBSD. Oh, wait... that's just plain coffee, and not even Javanese coffee. Costa Rican. God, I'm a troll today. On 11/14/06, Jack J. Woehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you get it working? I have Java working on OpenBSD. -- Try to do nothing for money that you wouldn't do for free. --Paul Krassner
Re: java on openbsd
Hi list, hi Jacob, On Tuesday, 14. November 2006 19:35, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: Java is a shitshow, it isn't a nice language. Stop defending Sun and their ridiculous licenses. The day Sun shows up as a real player in the open source world this could be justified. For now they are just another closed vendor. There's no other just another closed source vendor on this planet that has freed so much closed source like SUN. Solaris is going to be Open Source in the end, as will Java. This is official so stop fudding around. If you think the CDDL or the GPL are ridiculous licenses this is simply your problem. It works out fine for a majority of people, including me. Hey, if you can't comply with the GPL for personal reasons you wouldn't even be able to enjoy OpenBSD as it's still being built with a GNU toolchain. And regarding the language: Java runs on millions if not billions of devices. There's a reason for this and it's not just marketing. Anybody denying this is just plain ignorant - or stupid. Besides that, the language is easy to learn (and teach) and unlike most other languages, there's tons of high quality development tools that are user-friendly for non-UNIX-geeks and programming rookies. You don't get a cookie for trying or pretending. Well, ignorance - or stupidity for that matter - won't earn you points either ;-) don't you know you're not licensed to circulate compiled opinions about Sun source code? you're supposed to let everyone else click through the stupid menus, download source packages that are about as big as the openbsd install sets, adjust their ulimits, spend a lot of time compiling something that should be available as a package and THEN they can form a properly licensed opinion. Well Jake, that's luckily going to change soon, now that Java and its various components are going to be GPL software. You'll be able to redistribute in any form you like, given that you comply with the GPL terms and don't violate the Java trademark that SUN will still control. kind regards, Tobias W.
[ot] Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:12:31PM +0100, Tobias Weisserth wrote: And regarding the language: Java runs on millions if not billions of devices. It does not run on arm/OpenBSD. It does not run on powerpc/OpenBSD. It does not run on vax/OpenBSD. Heck, it even behaves differently in on i386/Linux, i386/Windows, sparc/Solaris and pSeries/Linux, and to this platform diversity the vendor diversity (Sun vs. IBM) yet adds more subtile differences, especially if it comes to threads or GC behaviour. Believe it or not: Java is *not* platform independent, at least not in so-called enterprise environments. BTW: Windows runs on millions if not billions of desktop PCs, so it must be better than OpenBSD. And: there are many so-called open-source operating systems around that happily accept BLOBs, let single persons write drivers based on documentation they'd to sign NDAs, so those systems are probably better than OpenBSD. They just *must* be superior to OpenBSD. But wait! They've serious problems with their wireless drivers, isn't that funny? Sorry, but for that millions if not billions argument, my honest response is: people, eat more shit -- millions of flies can't be wrong. Ciao, Kili, making a life with Java since about 1998.
Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:07:50AM -0500, Marc Ravensbergen wrote: Hi, first I'd like to mention that openbsd 4.0 is a first for me, and I am really liking it so far (I am a linux refugee...). Eg., it's nice to be able to rip out my usb cd burner, plug it in, and be able to actually use the thing again. Try that under linux and the cd burner is unsuable until you reboot... Not to mention that the whole secure by default thing is very appealing. Welcome aboard! I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Java is a deal-breaker for me as I use it all day every day for work. What I've done is taken a tar of the linux version, and untarred it in openbsd. I have turned on linux emulation by modifying the variable in /etc/sysctl.conf, and I've mounted the /proc filesystem. I have also pkg_added redhat-base8.xxx. However, whenever I run java, I get a Can't detect initial thread stack location - find_vma failed error. This is for sun's jdk 1.5.06 as well as one of the newer 1.6 versions. IBM's jdk1.4 says it cannot read or write (not sure exactly anymore) to /proc/. I've tried running all three versions as root to check for permission errors, but it makes no difference. I've googled for hours trying to find a solution, but can't seem to fix it. I really don't want to download the source for java and compile... I am on dialup so every byte counts. A little while ago I tried java on netbsd and got it working through linux emulation as well. I had problems with netbsd so it didn't stick around, but I believe that java on bsd through emulation should be possible; probably just an oversight somwhere on my part. If anybody can give me some tips or tricks I would really appreciate it. Well, the *sane* way of doing this involves building it from ports. Those are there for a reason, after all. Burning it to a CD and putting the CD in your machine may be useful if you have access to a faster network elsewhere; but I'd strongly suggest just downloading the source and being done with it. For additional points, tweak altq(9) so that you can still browse at an acceptable speed. If you want to try your way, -current's emulators/fedora just *might* build on a -stable system; those libraries are a lot newer, and *might* fix your problem. Of course, there's no reason to assume either... Joachim
Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 12:32:57PM -0600, Matthew Weigel wrote: Bernd Schoeller wrote: I this information still current, now that Java has released the JDK under the terms of the GPL? No, they haven't released the JDK under the GPL. They *will*. Currently, they have released a virtual machine and javac under the GPL. The remainder of the open-source JDK will be available in the first half of 2007. There is 6m lines of code to audit WRT the GPL, so give them a chance. Sun are a small company compared to IBM, HP, MS, so to grow, they need to be different, from how they have been in the past. There is a new man at the top, who has pledged to open source all of Sun's software and hardware, so maybe jason@ will be able to get the Ultra 10 PCI gubbins working without guess work.
Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: @others: stop picking on SUN and Java. It's actually a nice language and going to be GPL software very soon, so I guess there will be an option for binary packages and other nice stuff soon. Java is a shitshow No language is perfect. Sun and their ridiculous licenses. The day Sun shows up as a real player in the open source world this could be justified. For now they are just another closed vendor. You don't get a cookie for trying or pretending. Agree, but they do seem to be genuinely trying, so give them a while to get over their growing pains and see what comes out in the wash over the next few years.
Re: [ot] Re: java on openbsd
On 14-Nov-06, at 5:27 PM, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:12:31PM +0100, Tobias Weisserth wrote: And regarding the language: Java runs on millions if not billions of devices. It does not run on arm/OpenBSD. It does not run on powerpc/OpenBSD. It does not run on vax/OpenBSD. Heck, it even behaves differently in on i386/Linux, i386/Windows, sparc/Solaris and pSeries/Linux, and to this platform diversity the vendor diversity (Sun vs. IBM) yet adds more subtile differences, especially if it comes to threads or GC behaviour. Then I suspect you're doing something very wrong or making assumptions about specs that are just not guaranteed to be true. I've worked in highly threaded apps that moved perfectly across sun's, bea's and ibm's virtual machines with no modifications. Sure there were large differences in performance, probably due to the threading and gc, but everything still executed properly. Believe it or not: Java is *not* platform independent, at least not in so-called enterprise environments. I've also worked on enterprise apps that were written, built and tested on windows and then moved straight to AIX for deployment with no history of glitches whatsoever. It was all on websphere and I obviously wouldn't consider doing this while moving do a different j2ee server, but the write once, run anywhere phrase refers to the se standard, not ee. I hear this java is not portable stuff from time to time and it just makes me wonder wtf the developers of these supposed problem applications were smoking. It's really not that hard. Jeremy
Re: java on openbsd
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:53:54 -0500 Josh Grosse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Per FAQ 8.3, Java 1.5 or 1.4 must be built from source. An overnight download have an of the files should not be a huge problem, considering how much time, computing, memory, and storage resource is needed to build it. Except that you need to navigate the Sun download pages mess, click thru license agreements and have an account (I think). Then you need to install X number of Linux JDK's, wich pulls in all the Linux emulation packages and then you have to actually compile it and hope you enough disk and ram. Wouldnt it be possible for someone other then the OpenBSD project to legally share their built packages? --- Lars Hansson
Re: java on openbsd
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:31:21 +0800 Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: install X number of Linux JDK's Apparently you dont need this anymore. Duh! --- Lars Hansson
