Re: Big Brother is Watching and Listening
Fred: Might it be possible that: 1) the military is listening to what the public says, and appears to be taking a rational approach to their perceived problems and has decided to avoid making the same mistakes twice. 2) Congress and the White House are listening in a similar manner, and have decided to stonewall it - - All the loudmouth violent disrupters at our town hall meetings that disagree with us are Nazi fascists or Rush Limbaugh ditto-heads, and are dangerous people that should be locked up in our new National Guard internment camps. Hm? just speculating. Maybe it's a mixed blessing/danger that 'they' are listening to what the public is saying. Jim Hornaday From: Fred B. Ellison fbelli...@yahoo.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Young Conservatives ty...@googlegroups.com Cc: Campaign for Liberty-SGF springfield...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:41:11 PM Subject: Big Brother is Watching and Listening http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090810/D99VV4M80.html Air Force used Twitter to track NY flyover fallout Aug 10, 6:11 AM (ET) By RICHARD LARDNER (AP) This undated photo released by the Defense Department shows one of the president's official planes,... Full Image WASHINGTON (AP) - As the Pentagon warns of the security risks posed by social networking sites, newly released government documents show the military also uses these Internet tools to monitor and react to coverage of high-profile events. The Air Force tracked the instant messaging service Twitter, video carrier YouTube and various blogs to assess the huge public backlash to the Air Force One flyover of the Statue of Liberty this spring, according to the documents. And while the attempts at damage control failed - No positive spin is possible, one PowerPoint chart reads - the episode opens a window into the tactics for operating in a boundless digital news cycle. This new terrain has slippery slopes, though, for the military. Facebook, MySpace and other social media sites are very popular among service members, including those in Iraq and Afghanistan who want to keep in touch with friends and family. The sites are also valued by military organizations for recruiting or communicating with other federal agencies. But posting information on these interactive links makes it vulnerable to being lost or stolen by the enemy, according to Pentagon officials. On Thursday hackers shut down Twitter for several hours, while Facebook had intermittent access problems - an indication of the shortcomings of relying on these services. The Marine Corps' computer network blocks users from accessing social media sites, which service officials say expose information to adversaries and provide an easy conduit for information leakage. The Marines recently made its ban official. And that prohibition might extend to other parts of the military pending a top-level review ordered in late July by Deputy Defense Secretary Bill Lynn. In a widely distributed memo, Lynn said the so-called Web 2.0 sites are important tools but more study is needed to understand their threats and benefits. Air Force officials are already aware of the potential benefits. According to the Air Force One documents released through the Freedom of Information Act, a unit called the Combat Information Cell at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida monitored the public fallout from the April 27 flight and offered recommendations for dealing with the fast-breaking story. Formed two years ago, the cell is made up of as many as nine people who analyze piles of data culled from the Internet and other sources to determine whether the Air Force's message is being heard. The presidential plane took off for New York from Andrews Air Force in Maryland accompanied by two F-16 jet fighters. The purpose of the flight, which wasn't publicly announced, was to get new photos of the specially modified Boeing 747 with the statue in the background. The mission quickly became a public relations disaster as panicked New Yorkers, fearing another 9/11-style attack, emptied office buildings. In the aftermath, Louis Caldera, director of the White House military office that authorized the flight, was fired. The Combat Information Cell's first assessment of the event said Web site blog comments 'furious' at best. Local reporting of the flyover was very critical, highlighting scare factor, it added. A Twitter search revealed a rate of one tweet per minute about a pair of F-16s chasing a commercial airliner. A tweet is a text message of up to 140 characters delivered to the author's subscribers, who are known as followers. Media coverage over the next 24 hours will focus on local hysteria and lack of public notification, the cell predicted. Blogs will continue to be overwhelmingly negative. Damage control requires timely counter-information, but the
Re: Big Brother is Watching and Listening
Question:
Isn't this a violation of 4th Amendment protection against unlawful searches
and seizures and a violation of privacy rights?
Law enforcement should not be allowed to monitor communications without a
warrant based on reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed.
--- On Fri, 8/14/09, James Hornaday Jr. rail...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: James Hornaday Jr. rail...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Big Brother is Watching and Listening
To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 2:37 PM
Fred:
Might it be possible that:
1) the military is listening to what the public says, and appears to be
taking a rational approach to their perceived problems and has decided to avoid
making the same mistakes twice.
2) Congress and the White House are listening in a similar manner, and have
decided to stonewall it - - All the loudmouth violent disrupters at our town
hall meetings that disagree with us are Nazi fascists or Rush Limbaugh
ditto-heads, and are dangerous people that should be locked up in our new
National Guard internment camps.
Hm? just speculating. Maybe it's a mixed blessing/danger that 'they' are
listening to what the public is saying.
Jim Hornaday
From: Fred B. Ellison fbelli...@yahoo.com
To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Young
Conservatives ty...@googlegroups.com
Cc: Campaign for Liberty-SGF springfield...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:41:11 PM
Subject: Big Brother is Watching and Listening
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090810/D99VV4M80.html
Air Force used Twitter to track NY flyover fallout
Aug 10, 6:11 AM (ET)
By RICHARD LARDNER
(AP) This undated photo released by the Defense Department shows one of the
president's official planes,...
Full Image
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WASHINGTON (AP) - As the Pentagon warns of the security risks posed by social
networking sites, newly released government documents show the military also
uses these Internet tools to monitor and react to coverage of high-profile
events.
The Air Force tracked the instant messaging service Twitter, video carrier
YouTube and various blogs to assess the huge public backlash to the Air Force
One flyover of the Statue of Liberty this spring, according to the documents.
And while the attempts at damage control failed - No positive spin is
possible, one PowerPoint chart reads - the episode opens a window into the
tactics for operating in a boundless digital news cycle.
This new terrain has slippery slopes, though, for the military. Facebook,
MySpace and other social media sites are very popular among service members,
including those in Iraq and Afghanistan who want to keep in touch with friends
and family. The sites are also valued by military organizations for recruiting
or communicating with other federal agencies.
But posting information on these interactive links makes it vulnerable to being
lost or stolen by the enemy, according to Pentagon officials. On Thursday
hackers shut down Twitter for several hours, while Facebook had intermittent
access problems - an indication of the shortcomings of relying on these
services.
The Marine Corps' computer network blocks users from accessing social media
sites, which service officials say expose information to adversaries and
provide an easy conduit for information leakage.
The Marines recently made its ban official. And that prohibition might extend
to other parts of the military pending a top-level review ordered in late July
by Deputy Defense Secretary Bill Lynn.
In a widely distributed memo, Lynn said the so-called Web 2.0 sites are
important tools but more study is needed to understand their threats and
benefits.
Air Force officials are already aware of the potential benefits.
According to the Air Force One documents released through the Freedom of
Information Act, a unit called the Combat Information Cell at Tyndall Air Force
Base in Florida monitored the public fallout from the April 27 flight and
offered recommendations for dealing with the fast-breaking story.
Formed two years ago, the cell is made up of as many as nine people who analyze
piles of data culled from the Internet and other sources to determine whether
the Air Force's message is being heard.
The presidential plane took off for New York from Andrews Air Force in Maryland
accompanied by two F-16 jet fighters. The purpose of the flight, which wasn't
publicly announced, was to get new photos of the specially modified Boeing 747
with the statue in the background.
The mission quickly became a public relations disaster as panicked New Yorkers,
fearing another 9/11-style attack, emptied office buildings. In the aftermath,
Louis Caldera, director of the White House military office that authorized the
flight, was fired.
The Combat Information Cell's first assessment of the event said
Re: Big Brother is Watching and Listening
Fred: Possible wishy-washy answers: If all 'they' are doing is keeping track of the total response of what 'everybody' says on the web, 'they' are just observing the totals of a spontaneous public poll. If they start keeping track of things like Joe Doakes has made seditious remarks about topic X 15 times in the last month, Big Brother is indeed watching. But, and this is a big but: how much of Joe Doakes' privacy has been invaded or compromised by his shooting his mouth off in a PUBLIC forum. Is statement of an opinion (no matter how odious) a crime worthy of a warrant for arrest? That's not a completely black and white issue. Just remember the perfect example of a bad public statement by an individual in a crowd - - Fire! when there is no fire. Yes, I really don't like the idea that loopholes (or mis-interpretation of legislation) in current laws that could be indiscrimiantly used by government agencies to listening in on private phone lines - - without an independent judge's approval. Ehh, there are too many shades of gray in this multi-dimensional problem. Jim From: Fred B. Ellison fbelli...@yahoo.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:48:06 PM Subject: Re: Big Brother is Watching and Listening Question: Isn't this a violation of 4th Amendment protection against unlawful searches and seizures and a violation of privacy rights? Law enforcement should not be allowed to monitor communications without a warrant based on reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed. --- On Fri, 8/14/09, James Hornaday Jr. rail...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: James Hornaday Jr. rail...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Big Brother is Watching and Listening To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 2:37 PM Fred: Might it be possible that: 1) the military is listening to what the public says, and appears to be taking a rational approach to their perceived problems and has decided to avoid making the same mistakes twice. 2) Congress and the White House are listening in a similar manner, and have decided to stonewall it - - All the loudmouth violent disrupters at our town hall meetings that disagree with us are Nazi fascists or Rush Limbaugh ditto-heads, and are dangerous people that should be locked up in our new National Guard internment camps. Hm? just speculating. Maybe it's a mixed blessing/danger that 'they' are listening to what the public is saying. Jim Hornaday From: Fred B. Ellison fbelli...@yahoo.com To: MLC Google Group missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Young Conservatives ty...@googlegroups.com Cc: Campaign for Liberty-SGF springfield...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:41:11 PM Subject: Big Brother is Watching and Listening http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090810/D99VV4M80.html Air Force used Twitter to track NY flyover fallout Aug 10, 6:11 AM (ET) By RICHARD LARDNER (AP) This undated photo released by the Defense Department shows one of the president's official planes,... Full Image WASHINGTON (AP) - As the Pentagon warns of the security risks posed by social networking sites, newly released government documents show the military also uses these Internet tools to monitor and react to coverage of high-profile events. The Air Force tracked the instant messaging service Twitter, video carrier YouTube and various blogs to assess the huge public backlash to the Air Force One flyover of the Statue of Liberty this spring, according to the documents. And while the attempts at damage control failed - No positive spin is possible, one PowerPoint chart reads - the episode opens a window into the tactics for operating in a boundless digital news cycle. This new terrain has slippery slopes, though, for the military. Facebook, MySpace and other social media sites are very popular among service members, including those in Iraq and Afghanistan who want to keep in touch with friends and family. The sites are also valued by military organizations for recruiting or communicating with other federal agencies. But posting information on these interactive links makes it vulnerable to being lost or stolen by the enemy, according to Pentagon officials. On Thursday hackers shut down Twitter for several hours, while Facebook had intermittent access problems - an indication of the shortcomings of relying on these services. The Marine Corps' computer network blocks users from accessing social media sites, which service officials say expose information to adversaries and provide an easy conduit for information leakage. The Marines recently made its ban official. And that prohibition might extend to other parts of the military pending a top-level review ordered in late July by Deputy Defense Secretary Bill Lynn. In a widely distributed memo, Lynn said
Re: Big Brother is Watching and Listening
On Aug 14, 2009, at 2:37 PM, James Hornaday Jr. wrote: Fred: Might it be possible that: 1) the military is listening to what the public says, and appears to be taking a rational approach to their perceived problems and has decided to avoid making the same mistakes twice. 2) Congress and the White House are listening in a similar manner, and have decided to stonewall it - - All the loudmouth violent disrupters at our town hall meetings that disagree with us are Nazi fascists or Rush Limbaugh ditto-heads, and are dangerous people that should be locked up in our new National Guard internment camps. Hm? just speculating. Maybe it's a mixed blessing/danger that 'they' are listening to what the public is saying. This has often been my experience in defense/industrial circles: the military officers at all levels, far from being frothing-at-the-mouth warmongers actually 1) do not want a war because they will be shot at and 2) care very much what people think and for the image of the military. It is the CIVILIAN leadership, the contractors, mercenaries and so forth that you don't want to turn your back on (or your front without a nice, sharp stick...). They make a fortune by promoting war and discord. This is not to say that there are not frothing-at-the-mouth warmongers, civilian-haters, thieves, con-artists, black-market operators, and paranoiacs among the military officers or that they might not be convinced to oppose civilians based on false information, but that it is no higher than the rest of the population and perhaps slightly lower. Enlisted military are a different breed which I do not have as much experience with, but they are not the ones calling the shots so to speak. I think we want the military listening to what the public is saying (as opposed to wiretapping and listening in on what you say in private). The more contact we have between citizens and military, the less likely there will be a fatal misunderstanding if things get dicey. Military people are much less likely to follow an illegal order endangering citizens if there is steady communication. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I don't have a big brother. In my family. I am the big brother. Im ready to give it all, so my little brothers can live FREE. How about You? Larry Freek'en Fairtax Melton !!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Big Brother is Watching and Listening
I don't have a big brother. In my family. I am the big brother. Im ready to give it all, so my little brothers can live FREE. How about You? Larry Freek'en Fairtax Melton !!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
