dmb to DT:
Sorry, but I am sick to death of watching hacks blame Pirsig for their
own confusion. The MOQ is definable and knowable and the whole thing is
built of words and concepts. Obviously, discussing his work (or anyone
else's) requires us to bring some linguistic tools and skills to
Hi Horse and All,
A monism, Quality, is a briar patch. The first accepted usage of Quality in
SOM is a Modifier.
In SOM Quality is the first adjective modifying existence in the noun.
Reality must have quality or it is a pipedream.
In MOQ quality is dual reality DQ/SQ indefinable/definable.
On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote:
dmb to DT:
Sorry, but I am sick to death of watching hacks blame Pirsig for their own
confusion. The MOQ is definable and knowable and the whole thing is built of
words and concepts. Obviously, discussing his work (or
Hi DM
Not 'only' or 'just' or 'merely'!
Intellectual patterns of value are one part of the hierarchy of static
patterns of value.
In this hierarchy they are the uppermost part and this is where the
division of Quality into Dynamic Quality and Static Quality takes place.
In this plain of
Andre previously:
I share your frustration dmb and it seems to me that despite Pirsig's
MoQ some posters/lurkers are so trapped in SOM that they really,
absolutely cannot find their way through the words/concepts used. They
are still seen as a prison... as 'Marsha' does.
Marsha:
Proof?
On 10/27/13 9:18 PM, David Buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
dmb says:
Well, no. Pirsig says Dynamic Quality IS a direct experience and it IS the
mystic reality
[Dave]
Ok, just show me where James suggests that pure experience IS the mystic
reality.
What James does say is that mystic
Andre,
On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Andre wrote:
Andre previously:
I share your frustration dmb and it seems to me that despite Pirsig's MoQ
some posters/lurkers are so trapped in SOM that they really, absolutely
cannot find their way through the words/concepts used. They are still seen
Marsha to Andre:
I not only agree with Mark that language is a kind of prison, but I also
think patterns are a kind of prison.
To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of
quality it is without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic
Quality, which is
Andre,
On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Andre and rebroer...@gmail.com wrote:
Marsha to Andre:
I not only agree with Mark that language is a kind of prison, but I also
think patterns are a kind of prison.
To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of
quality it is
Marsha to Andre:
I take all static patterns of value as seriously as burnt umber, light
red, yellow ochre, cadmium yellow, cadmium scarlet, permanent rose,
alizarin red, winsor violet, french ultramarine, thalo blue, thalo
green, olive green and titanium. Your suspicions, on the other hand, I
Marsha said:
I not only agree with Mark that language is a kind of prison, but I also think
patterns are a kind of prison.
Marsha said:
The static world is not an illusion, the static world is like an illusion.
Marsha said:
I very much agree with Bo that the Intellectual Level is comprised
Marsha:
I take all static patterns of value as seriously as burnt umber, light red,
yellow ochre, cadmium yellow, cadmium scarlet, permanent rose, alizarin red,
winsor violet, french ultramarine, thalo blue, thalo green, olive green and
titanium. Your suspicions, on the other hand, I do not
Dave Thomas said:
Which leads right into the whole mythos, everything is an analogy business.
Then you say, The four levels of static patterns are just a way to sort the
mythos, right? All of that sits in contrast to DQ, the generator of the
mythos. What this does is reduce all human knowledge
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