Re: [MD] Minding half of your brain?

2014-05-30 Thread Ian Glendinning
I doubt John claimed belief that Pirsig's classical and romantic modes of thinking are neurological determined. More like neurologically supported, predictable, consistent, consilient, few things are determined in this world. It is far from nonsense to to bring cross-discipline material

Re: [MD] Why study philosophy?

2014-05-30 Thread Ian Glendinning
healthy scepticism is indeed a requirement of any worthwhile discourse. But of course it's neither the point, nor the whole of such discourse. Having cultivated a healthy scepticism, the point is constructive creativity towards new meaningful hypotheses. It's crude scientism to think the way to

Re: [MD] Arlo

2014-05-30 Thread Ian Glendinning
Thought so ... in here JC says bio-reductionism is seeing higher patterns as caused (dictated) by the lower. I don't see things that way. Me too. But lower patterns do support and static-latch higher patterns in true Pirsigian style. Bio supports socio-intellectual. (Just DMB being the

Re: [MD] Minding half of your brain?

2014-05-30 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Ian] I doubt John claimed belief that Pirsig's classical and romantic modes of thinking are neurological determined. [Arlo] No, you're right. He had reversed his claim into classic/romantic modes of thinking causes left/right brainedness. [Ian] More like neurologically supported, predictable,

Re: [MD] Why study philosophy?

2014-05-30 Thread Ron Kulp
On May 30, 2014, at 5:53 AM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote: healthy scepticism is indeed a requirement of any worthwhile discourse. But of course it's neither the point, nor the whole of such discourse. Having cultivated a healthy scepticism, the point is constructive

Re: [MD] Minding half of your brain?

2014-05-30 Thread Ron Kulp
Ian had said: It is far from nonsense to to bring cross-discipline material into the discussion. In fact that's the very point of IAI (your link DMB). I was at the IAI How The Light Gets In Festival last weekend and earlier this week at Hay on Wye, and most sessions involved combinations

Re: [MD] Arlo

2014-05-30 Thread John Carl
Thanks Ian, But maybe Arlo is right. Maybe if we'd just drop the divisive terminology, we wouldn't have all the conflicts we have. So let's ignore, male-brain/female-brain or day/night or yes/no and call it all Quality! Down with differentiation! Quality is all! Quality, Quality. On

Re: [MD] Why study philosophy?

2014-05-30 Thread John Carl
Ron. Ian, I believe it is both, Ron. Somewhat analogous to DQ/SQ Both. It's not an either/or situation. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com wrote: On May 30, 2014, at 5:53 AM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote: healthy scepticism is indeed a

Re: [MD] Minding half of your brain?

2014-05-30 Thread John Carl
Ron,Ron: From the death of expertise Having equal rights does not mean having equal talents, equal abilities, or equal knowledge. It assuredly does not mean that “everyone’s opinion about anything is as good as anyone else’s.” And yet, this is now enshrined as the credo of a fair number of

Re: [MD] Why study philosophy?

2014-05-30 Thread david
dmb quoted from Peter Hacker's article, Why Study Philosophy?: The study of philosophy cultivates a healthy scepticism about the moral opinions, political arguments and economic reasonings with which we are daily bombarded by ideologues, churchmen, politicians and economists. It teaches one

Re: [MD] Minding half of your brain?

2014-05-30 Thread david
dmb quoted from Hacker's article, Why Study Philosophy?: The only way to scrutinise concepts is to examine the use of the words that express them. Conceptual investigations are investigations into what makes sense and what does not. And, of course, questions of sense precede questions of

Re: [MD] Anti-intellectualism revisited

2014-05-30 Thread david
dmb said to John: ...The problem space is SOM, the problem addressed by the MOQ, not anti-intellectualism. Even further, the criticism is that your anti-intellectualism is connected to your failure to get out of the problem space. That is to say, you keep attacking intellect here in the MOQ

Re: [MD] Alan Watts ?

2014-05-30 Thread John Carl
Michael, I'll take up your offer: It is commercially available - http://www.sheandibook.com - but I'd be happy to send you and whomever else here a passworded .pdf . I'd be most pleased to read anything you've written. My only connection with Alan Watts is that the same teacher who