Hi DMB
This I agree with
DMB I keep saying, is WHY Pirsig REPLACES causality with patterns of
preference, because that switch denies the central premise of
scientific determinism. It takes the law-like mechanical obedience out
of the picture even at the physical level and even less so for
evolved
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:28 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Steve:
If we ARE our values, It simply could not make sense to say we CHOOSE
our values anymore than it makes sense to say we are DETERMINED BY our
values. Where you see 2 mutually exclusive SOM based options, I see a
third
dmb said:
...That's WHY Pirsig REPLACES causality with patterns of preference, because
that switch denies the central premise of scientific determinism. It takes the
law-like mechanical obedience out of the picture even at the physical level -
and even less so for evolved creatures like us.
Steve said:
If we ARE our values, It simply could not make sense to say we CHOOSE our
values anymore than it makes sense to say we are DETERMINED BY our values.
...If we ARE our values, it just doesn't make any sense to ask if we CHOOSE our
values or are DETERMINED BY our values. These are
dmb says:
Yep. Steve is operating as if any word that has ever been associated with SOM
is permanently and irreversibly infected with some metaphysical disease - and
he does so regardless of how the terms are actually being used or qualified
or put into an entirely different metaphysical
Hi dmb,
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:15 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Steve keeps saying that it makes no sense to say we choose our values because
we ARE our values. But this seems to assume that there are no conflicts
between our values, as if we can follow biological
I agree with Ian, here. Obviously.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Ian Glendinning
ian.glendinn...@gmail.comwrote:
Marsha, (and Steve, for example)
Steve said
It makes no sense to say that we choose our values when we ARE
nothing but our values. Likewise, it makes no
sense to say that we
My daughter posted an idea on her facebook wall that I loved and am gonna
use for the rest of my life. When faced with a dilemma, make-a
de-lemonade.
Yah. That's it right there. That's the value of open-ended questioning,
and DQ on the intellectual level and everything. De-lemonade.
I love
Hi John,
I've missed you.
I'm caring about anatta at the moment. I just don't get the insistence on MY
free-will. As far as the ethical considerations, these statements make the
most sense to me.
Dharma, like rta, means 'what holds together.' It is the basis of all order.
It equals
John,
I'm sticking with MU, but here again is how Nagarjuna, from Mlamadhyamakakrik
fame, replaces cause with conditions. I've posted this many times so I hope it
will stand on its own without further explanation:
The argument against causation is tightly intertwined with the positive
Once he had lived with his new awareness and gotten used to it, he
wished to share it with others. When the breakdown first happened, he
was left without ability to share what he saw. Gradually, he had
recovered from the original shock, and spent time with his new
awareness trying to understand
Hello everyone
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:15 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
dmb said:
...That's WHY Pirsig REPLACES causality with patterns of preference, because
that switch denies the central premise of scientific determinism. It takes
the law-like mechanical obedience
Hello everyone
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:19 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
My daughter posted an idea on her facebook wall that I loved and am gonna
use for the rest of my life. When faced with a dilemma, make-a
de-lemonade.
Yah. That's it right there. That's the value of
They locked him up... told him he was crazy. After enough time had
passed, he knew it too. He must be crazy. He could see it in
everyone's eyes. He heard it in the way they talked to him. He felt it
in the way they kept their distance. Like they were afraid. Not of
him, but of what he'd become. Or
Hi John Dan,
I've done lots of journaling and painting dedicated as a priestess to the
De-nial River. Blessed be Isis...
Marsha
On Jul 13, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:19 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
My daughter
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