Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-10 Thread MarshaV
J-A, I did not write still in constant change. Before (when soft and malleable), during firing, and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing. Marsha On May 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Would

Re: [MD] A realist MOQ, no SOM required!!!!!!!!!

2013-05-10 Thread Ian Glendinning
Hi David M, it's that constant stream of disrespect, rhetorical attack and misrepresentation of others (straw men, for short) that kills any progress towards understanding and addressing the substantive issues. As David H points out, even to argue about that is maybe to perpetuate the problem.

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-10 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Marsha OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still in a state of

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-10 Thread MarshaV
J-A, What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. Marsha On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Marsha OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-10 Thread MarshaV
J-A, Here is my original post in this Subject line. Maybe you can relate your thought experiment to what I've presented here. Marsha On Apr 14, 2013, at 2:43 AM, MarshaV wrote: Greetings, Dynamic Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable - unpatterned. There is nothing

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-10 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Well Marsha You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into another, OK? J-A 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV: J-A, What potter? -

Re: [MD] Misunderstandings are driven by what we value not by the logic we use.

2013-05-10 Thread X Acto
djh responds to Dmb: You have misunderstood my argument dmb. By all means - feel free to discuss logical inconsistencies with those who value similar things to you and are happy to discuss them... All I'm saying is that when discussing something intellectual with someone who doesn't

[MD] D i a l e c t i c

2013-05-10 Thread X Acto
djh responds: I disagree.  As mentioned to dmb - *huge* chunks of Lila (most of the book) - would never be written if we spend no time understanding folks values.  What people value - what's a good life - living a good life - that's the whole point of philosophy.    {Ron} We ARE talking

Re: [MD] Misunderstandings are driven by what we value not by the logic we use.

2013-05-10 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi Dan and All, IMHO The brain is the arbiter of logic! There are levels in the brain's capacity for logic, evolution. The indefinable aspect of evolution is the order in levels of existence. One size existence does not fit all. Joe On 5/9/13 8:39 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-10 Thread MarshaV
J-A, Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it. Marsha On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Well Marsha You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still