Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
On the distortion of reification, Alan Wallace writes: In Buddhist mental training, great emphasis is placed from the outset on distinguishing between the fantasizing mind and verifying cognition. Indeed the tendency of the human mind to assume the existence of things that are in fact

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:37 PM, david buchanan wrote: But I seriously doubt that you have any idea what James, Wallace or I am even talking about here. dmb, James, Wallace and yourself? Hahahahahaha! I am scorned for not being a Buddhist, and here you are grouping yourself with

[MD] check for yourself: scientific realism

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
What relevance does the term scientific realism have for those of us who are not professional philosophers of science? Check for yourself what sort of perspective you have on scientific assertions, regardless of your philosophy. As you look at this page, you see a sheet of white paper

Re: [MD] check for yourself: scientific realism

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
My view? Not this, not that... Unless, of course, you are speaking statically/conventionally. On Jun 2, 2011, at 5:09 AM, MarshaV wrote: What relevance does the term scientific realism have for those of us who are not professional philosophers of science? Check for

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread david buchanan
Andre said: Enjoy your posts dmb. They are excellent, as usual. dmb says: Thanks and right back at you. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives:

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread david buchanan
dmb said to Marsha: ...But I seriously doubt that you have any idea what James, Wallace or I am even talking about here. Marsha replied: James, Wallace and yourself? Hahahahahaha! ... here you are grouping yourself with James and Wallace. On what basis do you speak as a representative of

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:08 AM, david buchanan wrote: dmb said to Marsha: ...But I seriously doubt that you have any idea what James, Wallace or I am even talking about here. Marsha replied: James, Wallace and yourself? Hahahahahaha! ... here you are grouping yourself with James and

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:08 AM, david buchanan wrote: dmb says: I'm saying you don't understand the quote you posted, which was from Wallace and about James. Marsha: Yet concerning the quote I posted YOU wrote: I'm pretty sure Wallace is wrong on that point. You're pretty sure Wallace is

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
dmb, I bet I can locate the post from last July where you explained for me how patterns and objects differ. Maybe we can evaluate that post against every intellectual standard? That might be fun... How do you imagine it will hold up? marsha On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:42 AM, MarshaV

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread david buchanan
dmb said: ... Ham's Essentialism seems to be a matter of moving a few pieces around on some metaphysical chessboard and none of those pieces makes contact with actual experience at any point. The game is confined to those 64 squares and none of the moves makes a difference to anyone or

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread david buchanan
Marsha said to dmb: You obviously have no idea of my understanding of reification. - The quotes I present match my view perfectly. Here is the quote that presents Marsha's view perfectly: One of the chief causes of bondage is, not so much the faculty of conceptualization, but rather the

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
dmb, I asked you the other day to post what you thought was my understanding of 'reification.' Of course you didn't. So I'll ask you again, please explain my understanding of 'reification.'' Explain my understanding in its entirety. --- Recently I wrote: Reification represents how the

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread david buchanan
Marsha asked dmb: ...I don't understand what you are talking about. ...On what basis do you believe you and James and Wallace are all in sync? Your opinion based on every intellectual standard???You and James and Wallace... OMG! dmb says: Why is so hard to believe that I understand

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread david buchanan
Marsha said: I asked you the other day to post what you thought was my understanding of 'reification.' Of course you didn't. So I'll ask you again, please explain my understanding of 'reification.'' Explain my understanding in its entirety. dmb says: I just dished up your thoughts on

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread MarshaV
dmb, For my definition, ou'll have to supply my exact quotes and their context. You too often exaggerate and misrepresent what I say. On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:24 PM, david buchanan wrote: Marsha said: I asked you the other day to post what you thought was my understanding of

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread Joseph Maurer
On 6/1/11 9:33 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote: snip For one thing, we don't directly experience Quality independent of intellectual abstractions. Quality is an assessment of the aesthetic or moral value of a phenomenon relative to other phenomena experienced or observed. That

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
2 jun 2011 kl. 18.22 Marsha wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:08 AM, david buchanan wrote: dmb says: I'm saying you don't understand the quote you posted, which was from Wallace and about James. Marsha: Yet concerning the quote I posted YOU wrote: I'm pretty sure Wallace is wrong on

Re: [MD] The other side of Value

2011-06-02 Thread 118
Hi Ham, Ron, On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote: [Ham]: My conclusion: Essence is negational. [Ron]: How about limit, for any experience to have any meaning, it's much easier to explain and it works logically but your explanation above is, well,

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread 118
Hi Ham, I would agree with you. Radical empiricism is anything but metaphysics. In fact it is the antithesis of metaphysics. This is why it is termed radical, not because it is a new kind of empiricism, but because it is empiricism taken to its maximum definition. So, when Ron or dmb speak of