Marsha said to dmb:
You obviously have no idea of my understanding of reification. - The quotes I
present match my view perfectly.
Here is the quote that presents Marsha's view "perfectly":
"One of the chief causes of bondage is, not so much the faculty of
conceptualization, but rather the propensity to grasp onto the products of that
faculty. The rational nature, like the dispositions Nagarjuna discussed in
section seven of the karika, has a value. Concepts are an important and
necessary tool to be used in ordering one’s world and acting within it."
dmb says:
Your pants must be on fire because Wallace's statement is pretty much the
opposite of what you say. To cite a recent example, you said, "I might have
defended Bo because of his loyalty to the MD, but that was not the reason I
came to believe Bo is correct. I was backed into a corner, he backed me into a
corner, and I was struck wordless. I realized that conceptualization reifies. I
didn't know the word then, but I clearly understood the process. Only later did
I stumble across the word 'reify' and after reading it a number of times I
recognized it as the process from which I couldn´t escape..."
See, Wallace describes the problem as the propensity to grasp the products of
conceptualization and NOT the faculty of conceptualization itself. Wallace says
concepts are necessary for acting in the world. You say, simply,
conceptualization reifies, period. And you say you cannot escape this process.
This goes along with your assertion that language is some kind of prison, with
the assertion that intellectual patterns are to be killed rather than cured,
with the assertion that the intellectual level is forever doomed to conform to
SOM. It all adds up to a profoundly anti-intellectual view and it's a gross
distortion of what Wallace, James and Pirsig are all saying about this problem.
These guys are not philosophical enemies with each other and it makes no sense
to pit them against each other.
I don't even think you're being honest in the normal sense, let alone
intellectually honest. It's just plain foolish to lie about what you did and
did not say because your posts are in the archives and anyone can see that
you're not telling the truth. Jeez, don't you have any shame?
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