Re: [MD] Posting in Dynamic Quality Format: The divide between the Social Layer and the Individual Layer

2011-07-13 Thread MarshaV
Hi Dan, I've only bought one oil painting, a painting by a Russian artist. It has a flavor of Venice with this strange creature that cannot rightly be identified as a male or female, even though it might be wearing what could be called a dress-like costume. As often as I've studied this

[MD] The 60s

2011-07-13 Thread MarshaV
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Re: [MD] Does Lila have free will?

2011-07-13 Thread Steven Peterson
Hi Marsha, Marsha: I just don't get the insistence on MY free-will.  As far as the ethical considerations, these statements make the most sense to me. Dharma, like rta, means 'what holds together.' It is the basis of all order. It equals righteousness. It is the ethical code. It is the stable

Re: [MD] Free Will

2011-07-13 Thread Ham Priday
Hi All -- Rose and I were away on a relaxing vacation in the Berkshires for a few days, while you folks stretched this topic into yet another week. There were 176 messages in my e-mail box when we returned today, at least half of them on the Free Will dilemma. It's enough to make a grown

Re: [MD] Free Will

2011-07-13 Thread craigerb
In the Metaphysics of Quality this dilemma doesn't come up. To the extent that one's behavior is CONTROLLED by static patterns of quality it is without choice. But to the extent that one FOLLOWS Dynamic Quality, which is undefinable, one's behavior is free. (Pirsig) [Dan] When we FOLLOW static

Re: [MD] Does Lila have free will?

2011-07-13 Thread MarshaV
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Steven Peterson wrote: Hi Marsha, Marsha: I just don't get the insistence on MY free-will. As far as the ethical considerations, these statements make the most sense to me. Dharma, like rta, means 'what holds together.' It is the basis of all order. It

Re: [MD] Free Will

2011-07-13 Thread Joseph Maurer
On 7/13/11 8:59 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote: snip This is not what the Creator had in mind. And it's not what Mr. Pirsig wanted to say in so many words, hence the euphemism to the extent that one follows. But let's not mince words or fudge meanings when it comes to

Re: [MD] Posting in Dynamic Quality Format: The divide between the Social Layer and the Individual Layer

2011-07-13 Thread Joseph Maurer
On 7/12/11 9:17 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: snip So, what does this look like when we are relating something that happened in the past?  Well, we must remember that things that happened in the past were happening in the present at one time.  By present I mean that infinitesimal

Re: [MD] Does Lila have free will?

2011-07-13 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi Steve, Marsha and all, Between external duty, and internal duty seems to encompass everything. Perhaps, viewing emotions as DQ places them beyond internal duty? When emotions are defined SQ, they cease to be emotions. Emotions cannot be defined as DQ since DQ in itself is indefinable.

Re: [MD] Free Will

2011-07-13 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:30 PM, craig...@comcast.net wrote: In the Metaphysics of Quality this dilemma doesn't come up. To the extent that one's behavior is CONTROLLED by static patterns of quality it is without choice. But to the extent that one FOLLOWS Dynamic Quality,