Gerhard, Clarke
and all,
Gerhard,
I quite agree with
you that music is definitely a static pattern of quality, no no danger
there. I wonder though if psychedelic music would have been invented
without the use of pschyedelic substances? Perhaps but perhaps not.
I think this underscores my
Dear Glen (AreteLaugh),
I'm afraid I don't really appreciate
being questioned without getting any information about your opinions or
(preferably) experiences (like in your 23/6 09:35 -0700 post), especially as you
questions taste like criticism of my writings. Did you feel attacked by my
Andrea,
It's good to have another female voice on this list; i guess most women arent
really into philosophy (dont tell the Oxygen network i said that). I didnt
really think your post was confusing. i think i need to try drugs before i
can engage in too much intellectual discussion about
I agree with Rasheed. The War on Drugs is immoral. Partly for the reasons
Rasheed mentioned, and I think also because it's targeting the wrong people
and groups of people. The US government believes that the war on drugs can
be won if they rid the US of drug barons getting drugs into the
Wim Nuesselder
all,
I can be a little
scathing when I think something is obviousand people are being
unreasonable. It is not my intention to insult anyone but to make them
think. I freely admit that my style is very adverserial but please don't
take it personally. I only wish to root out
Hi,
Arete (Glen) asked:
Would you say that Psychedelic music was
not a static pattern of value?
Wim replied:
I know very little about Psychedelic
music. You mean that someone must take drugs to produce it, which makes
experiencing DQ by drug users relevant for the world at large as it
Rasheed...
I'm a girl... are there really so few female voices on this list? I suppose
it's to be expected. I realize that my last post could have been confusing.
It was mostly about the idea that drugs will affect people differently
depending on their reasons for using them. The last
Wim
Nusselder and all,
Wim Nusselder
wrote:
Analogous to that, I think that
experiencing DQ may be fun for the drug user, but is not relevant for the world
at large. It
can't latch onto a (new) static
pattern ofvalue, because it is
forced on the user without any context of social
Wim and Arete,
It seems that drug use IS becoming an inextricable part of Western culture .
The war on drugs to me is immoral. First of all, it costs ludicrous amounts
of money. It also puts offenders in jail, possibly separating them a family
with no other means of support. And in
Wim:
You are correct. When I responded to Evolve's mescaline query I didn't have
a copy of Lila, so I was remembering my particular impression of what I had
actually read. It's happened frequently that I will get a distinct
impression of something Pirsig said, and then when I try to find the
It seems to me that the morality of drug use can't really be judged as one
issue at all. Drugs are used for many reasons, and the specific reason one
is using a drug can alter the affects it has on the user. That is, we can't
forget that drugs are often used simply for pleasure to escape
Hi Andrea.
Are you a boy or a girl? We have another Andrea here, and it's a man, which
confused me because i always thought 'Andrea' was a girl's name. But it's
all cleared up now. That said, welcome to this mailing list. Your post was
good, the only thing i question is your assertion
Evolve:
I don't have my copy of Lila handy, but I'm pretty sure Pirsig indicated that
the peyote was a shortcut to enlightenment, necessary because of the
infringement of Western society.
Clarke
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