RE: [Mpls] Minneapolis resturants posted as banning guns.

2003-06-06 Thread Michael Hohmann
What is the penalty for someone with a conceal-carry permit entering a private establishment with a posted sign? With or without a verbal notification? --assuming the concealed weapon is 'seen' and ignored. A misdemeanor fine? Is the weapon confiscated? How effective will such

RE: [Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast

2003-06-06 Thread Leurquin, Ronald
Cub Foods in Northeast? What the heck do we need with another overgrown big box grocer in northeast? We have two Rainbows (Quarry Central) and a Cub (Apache) nearby. If this is such a needed thing then I would think Cub and its mega parent company could food the bill and do it themselves, with

[Mpls] EDITORIAL :Target breaks promise to community

2003-06-06 Thread Victoria Heller
What a surprise. How many times does Minneapolis have to get ripped off before we figure out that we're the CHUMPS. Target Corporation doesn't care if you call it names - THEY HAVE THE MONEY! We have the DEBTS! Ditto the rich municipal bondholders - call them what you want to - but KEEP

[Mpls] It's time to REVISE the City's 2003 Truth in Taxation Budget

2003-06-06 Thread Victoria Heller
Following is the 2003 summary of Minneapolis Income and Expenses that was handed out last December at the Truth in Taxation hearing. We're a lot smarter now that the legislative session is over. One of our City accounts needs to UPDATE these numbers so we know where we stand. Also, please

[Mpls] RE: An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast

2003-06-06 Thread andrew korf \\\\
Thank you for the info on yet another proposed CUB foods . These things are like tribbles, you kill one in one location and three more pop up in others. I as a north-east (Audubon) resident have been looking forward to the opening of the rumored NE Co-op for nearly as long as I have lived in my

RE: [Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast

2003-06-06 Thread Allysen Hoberg
I also have been looking forward to the co-op, and having just bought a house in Northeast I really like the fact that there are so many little corner restaurants and the like, its what drew me to the neighborhood. It is ridiculous to think that this area needs another huge warehouse grocery

[Mpls] Target Surveillance

2003-06-06 Thread Amy Draeger
Michael Atherton wrote: We don't have much Constitutional protection of privacy in public and there is no reasonable assumption why we should. True, the courts haved ruled that there is lessened expectation of privacy in public but just how public are streets monitored 24/7 by cameras supplied

Re: [Mpls] EDITORIAL :Target breaks promise to community

2003-06-06 Thread Anne McCandless
I have asked this question before and am still looking for the answer; When the city gives money to a private company for development, are there any stipulations placed on that company when they take the money? For example, if I go to Northside Housing and get a low interest loan on my house,

[Mpls] Video Surveillance;Cub in Northeast;Carwash

2003-06-06 Thread Jim Mork
Before anything else: Anyone know when that fundraising carwash is starting in north Minneapolis on Friday? I have it in my calendar without a time. The single danger I can see in posting video cameras downtown is convincing camera that harm CAN'T come from video surveillance.

[Mpls] Re: North/South Minneapolis Target

2003-06-06 Thread Tim Bonham
Shrinkage is an expected loss in all retail stores, and they work constantly on ways to combat it. (I spent time in the Financial Accounting dept. at Target Co. writing computer programs to try to pinpoint such losses.) But despite high shrinkage, the bottom line is that the Lake St. Target

[Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast

2003-06-06 Thread Steve Sumner
I have lived in Northeast for most of my life, and I don't think that Cub moving onto Central would be destructive. I like all the small businesses that are on Central also, but know that it is badly in need of some big name business to move in and take up shop there. One only needs to look at

[Mpls] Slow-speed protest in Northeast

2003-06-06 Thread List Manager
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[Mpls] Who's afraid of the big bad Cub... and why we need a real co-op

2003-06-06 Thread Dyna
Every once in the while it's necessary to give the NIMBYs of this list a reality check and sort of put things in perspective. Cub is not the wolf that WalMart, A.K.A. the Beast of Bentonville, is. They're not the (paper) tiger Target is either. Cub is a subsidiary of Super Valu, a medium

RE: [Mpls] Budget

2003-06-06 Thread David Brauer
Jim Mork asks: I see in the financial overview for 2003 (http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/citywork/city-coordinator/financ e/services-budget/docs/budgetbook2003/Section3.pdf#page=1) that the 2003 figure for police and civilian review is $100.8 million, up 4 percent from $96.7. Why so many

[Mpls] NRP: $65 million over 7 years

2003-06-06 Thread List Manager
That's a best-case estimate from City Councilmember Barret Lane about what can be generated for the final phase of the program. Nearly a third of that money comes in the final year, 2009. Comments? Steve Brandt's story is at: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3921976.html David Brauer List

[Mpls] Fading Quarry Rainbow

2003-06-06 Thread Thomas T. Thai
I've not followed the list in a while. I did see a few subject lines about Cub Foods and Rainbow Foods. I heard that Rainbow Foods at the Quarry is closing. Can anyone confirm this? Thomas T. Thai / Whittier TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you

Re: [Mpls] Who's afraid of the big bad Cub... and why we need a realco-op

2003-06-06 Thread Chris Johnson
Dyna wrote: Every once in the while it's necessary to give the NIMBYs of this list a reality check and sort of put things in perspective. Cub is not the wolf that WalMart, A.K.A. the Beast of Bentonville, is. They're not the (paper) tiger Target is either. Cub is a subsidiary of Super Valu,

[Mpls] All Hope is Not Lost - Target Surveillance Vote

2003-06-06 Thread Amy Draeger
In this day of being grateful for signs of sanity wherever one can find it, I am breathing a little easier this morning knowing MPLS City Council members Schiff, Benson, Lane, and Zimmerman just all voted No on the proposal to accept security camera donations from the Target Corporation for

Re: [Mpls] Who's afraid of the big bad Cub...

2003-06-06 Thread David Brauer
on 6/6/03 9:52 AM, Chris Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dyna wrote: Every once in the while it's necessary to give the NIMBYs of this list a reality check and sort of put things in perspective. Cub is not the wolf that WalMart, A.K.A. the Beast of Bentonville, is. All I know is that

RE: [Mpls] An Even More Destructive Cub Proposal for Northeast

2003-06-06 Thread Allysen Hoberg
Steve wrote: As far as knocking Paul Ostrow around regarding this issue. I am hardly a backer of Paul, but it isn't the job of the city council member to micro-manage businesses. If a business wants to move in and are doing so within the letter of the law, they should be able to do so. The

Re: [Mpls] No guns at May Day Cafe

2003-06-06 Thread Andy Driscoll
There IS a NO GUNS HERE website. There you will find that official and tailored BANS GUNS signs can be ordered free for businesses and generic 'THIS HOUSEHOLD BANS GUNS IN THESE PREMISES from Marcom Direct and Thoele Printing. http://www.nogunshere.com St. Joan of Arc, for instance will have

[Mpls] Walk for Barbara

2003-06-06 Thread timothy connolly
On June 12,2000 Barbara Schneider was experiencing a mental health crisis. When police, ill-equipped to handle a mental health crisis, were called by a neighbor, six officers appeared on the scene. They broke down her front door after filling her living room with CS gas. By this time Barbara had

[Mpls] The intrepid 5th Grade Car Washers!!!!

2003-06-06 Thread Young, Susan A
The 5th Graders at Nellie Stone Johnson School are doing GREAT car washes in the parking lot there!! Yes, neither rain, nor wind nor damp shall keep them from their appointed task!!! They removed ALL of the pesky, stuck on bugs from my headlights and windshield, they've got key chains and

[Mpls] NRP

2003-06-06 Thread Steve Brandt
List member Ann Berget noticed the head on my article in the paper this morning: Funding shrinks for neighborhoods Does anyone out there know if psychiatry is an allowable NRP expense? Steve Brandt Star Tribune TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you

RE: [Mpls] NRP

2003-06-06 Thread Michael Atherton
Steve Brandt wrote: List member Ann Berget noticed the head on my article in the paper this morning: Funding shrinks for neighborhoods Does anyone out there know if psychiatry is an allowable NRP expense? If there is you might want to check for other unconscious influences. For instance

[Mpls] Unpaid internships

2003-06-06 Thread Susan Maricle
In response to the city's call for businesses to hire teens this summer, I had suggested hiring unpaid interns. Someone had contacted me offlist, questioning the value of an unpaid job. Since then I have found out more about internships and would like to elaborate. An unpaid intern is not

[Mpls] Crime Statistics and myth perceptions

2003-06-06 Thread Reinhardt, Gregory
Before there were statistics, there were myths. These stories were allegories about ourselves. They told about out values, hopes and dreams. Myths served as a symbolic reflection of our inner selves. Today, we count numbers. And much like myths, the numbers reflect what we value. CODEFOR

Re: [Mpls] NRP

2003-06-06 Thread ABerget
List member Barb Lickness probably knows the authoritative answer, but it's my belief that anything not specifically outlawed by NRP statutes is in fact allowed, even shrinks, if that's what the neighborhood residents want. Dunno about meds, though. That could be an ongoing and operating expense,

[Mpls] Re: Career Tracking in St Paul and other Minnesota SchoolDistricts

2003-06-06 Thread MREdCo
I am forwarding this information, which I posted on the state discussion list, to this list also, because it specifically pertains to the Minneapolis school district: The following websites are Minneapolis' Small Learning Communities First Choice Application. They are about all students applying

[Mpls] NRP

2003-06-06 Thread Victoria Heller
Here is an alternative to the way Steve Brandt wrote the NRP article.. The NRP intended to raid the general fund of $400 million over 20 years. Neighborhood activists have already spent $200 million. Since Minneapolis abused Tax Increment Financing (TIF) and found itself with skyrocketing

[Mpls] Re: Expand the gun ban to include lobbyists and lawyers

2003-06-06 Thread Tim Bonham
Quote (semi-accurate) from an old Bob Dylan song: Oh, there's bandits and there's bankers, Some rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen. But I've never seen a bandit Throw a family from their farm. Tim Bonham, Ward 12, Standish-Ericsson What's the difference if someone holds a gun

Re: [Mpls] No guns at Hard Times Cafe

2003-06-06 Thread petertomschmitz
Hard Times Cafe, on the West Bank of the University of Minnesota, has also put up a sign banning guns.---Peter Schmitz CARAG TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject

[Mpls] No guns.

2003-06-06 Thread N.I. Krasnov
And everyone will be much safer, now that government-approved gun owners will be banned from various premises, and criminals will know who's unarmed. This is lunacy. N.I. Krasnov Loring Park There IS a NO GUNS HERE website. There you will find that official and tailored BANS GUNS signs can be

Re: [Mpls] Re: Expand the gun ban to include lobbyists and lawyers

2003-06-06 Thread Craig Miller
To quote accurately from an even earlier version. And it is through this world I travel I've seen lots of strange men Some will rob you with a six-gun And Some will rob you with a fountain pen But'll you'll never meet an outlaw Who'll drive a family from their home Woody Guthrie Dust Bowl Blues

[Mpls] Gun law;Cub;Vehicle Crime

2003-06-06 Thread Jim Mork
Chuck forgets one thing that does not have to be IN the law. The proprietor can tell the violator never to come on his/her property again. Nothing like knowing who doesn't care about the public safety to make things easy. Regarding Cub and the co-op 1) The big box stores will never

Re: [Mpls] NRP

2003-06-06 Thread Barbara Lickness
Yes as long as the county was the contract administrator for the activity. Barb Lickness Whittier"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed,it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to

RE: [Mpls] No guns.

2003-06-06 Thread Michael Atherton
N.I. Krasnov wrote: And everyone will be much safer, now that government-approved gun owners will be banned from various premises, and criminals will know who's unarmed. This is lunacy. Actually, I think both sides are being silly. I believe there are approximately 300 cases in the

[Mpls] Alleged Rolling '30s gang member shot at gas station

2003-06-06 Thread List Manager
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Re: [Mpls] Cub Proposal for Northeast

2003-06-06 Thread Gayle Bonneville
Just to clarify: The Cub meeting on June 17 (7 p.m. at the Pillsbury school park addition) is being arranged by the Windom Park Citizens in Action neighborhood group, not Council President Ostrow. The meeting is part of the neighborhood organization's regular monthly meeting. The MCDA and the

[Mpls] 2 a.m. bar time ordinance introduced

2003-06-06 Thread David Brauer
Some want to limit 2 a.m. closings to downtown... question: does the new state law allow that? (I thought it was all or nothing, but perhaps cities get some discretion here.) http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3923861.html David Brauer King Field TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll!

Re: [Mpls] Crime Statistics and myth perceptions- MYTH or TRUTH

2003-06-06 Thread JIM GRAHAM
Thank you Gregory Reinhardt for your post on Minneapolis Issues about statistics in general and crime stats specifically. It was as good an explanation of Minneapolis statistics and their limitations as anything I have seen. Mr. Reinhardt says, Before there were statistics, there were myths.

[Mpls] NY Times: As budgets shrink, cities see impact on criminal justice

2003-06-06 Thread List Manager
Minneapolis and Chief Robert Olson offered as prominent examples: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/07/national/07CRIM.html (Registration is required, but it's free.) David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's

[Mpls] Eden Prairian's reaction to Downtown Mpls

2003-06-06 Thread List Manager
Why pay more for suburban fare Downtown? asks letter writer. http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/3919619.html David Brauer List manager Hoping the Twins pull it out in the 11th against the (sheesh) Padres TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you

[Mpls] LRT update

2003-06-06 Thread Shawne FitzGerald
Interesting update on LRT posted at the TwinCityRails list. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TwinCityRails/message/962. FYI, Shawne FitzGerald, Powderhorn TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain -

Re: [Mpls] Crime Statistics and myth perceptions- MYTH or TRUTH

2003-06-06 Thread Mark Snyder
On 6/6/03 11:34 PM, JIM GRAHAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoyed Gregory's report on crime stats. It brought meaning to Minneapolis' crime statistics. Given that there is the knowledge that crimes against persons and crimes against property are different, why does Minneapolis lump them

[Mpls] Expand the gun ban to include lobbyists and lawyers

2003-06-06 Thread Victoria Heller
What's the difference if someone holds a gun to your head and demands your money, or if they hire a lobbyist or lawyer to do the same? I say BAN ALL GUNS, LOBBYISTS, AND LAWYERS!!! Personally, I'm more afraid of lawyers than I am of guns. Vicky Heller, North Oaks TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't