Smokers' rights do not exist. There are no inherent rights for smokers
anywhere. Why smokers believe they possess the inalienable right to smoke,
therefore poison others in the process, is beyond me.
If any such right existed, it would dissolve in the offsetting requirement
of society to protect
--- Andy Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If a delay and a task force allows a more thorough
and thoughtful
presentation of the reasons to issue a complete ban
on smoking in public
accommodations already regulated by other health
measures, then fine.
But the beverage association - a
Well, where in the name of all that's holy does this assertion come from? Of
course, every agency and research institution in the world affirms not only
the dangerous effects of second-hand smoke, but new evidence shows that
short-term exposure to relatively small amounts of smoke is highly toxic
I do have the numbers and have posted them, both on this forum and the City of
Minneapolis web- site. Serious reported crime is down. Significantly. Minneapolis
is safer than it was 10 years a go and citizens, and in part the police department,
have realized this goal. See link
Back in the dayprobably the summer of 1990 it struck me that all cars
need to be taken off the road because of the threat to our collective
healthexcept for emergency vehicles. It is beyond a shadow of a doubt
how much destruction cars cause to our culture and environment. A clean car
This is in the planning stages for Metro Transit buses
here. They have been installing AVL systems on all
buses here for the past couple years. I think they
must be close to %100 by now.
I believe one plan is to put displays at some bus
stops giving bus ETA times.
Probably a $$$ issue.
---
A question for the Lt, I recall hearing an interesting
point regarding homicides, especially gang narc
related. That a major cause for the record number of
murders in '97 was due to increased competition and
battling over drug turf. And the gradual decrease in
the last 7 years shows
http://www.skywaynews.net/articles/2004/06/18/news/news13.txt
Offensive occupants. No person shall ... carry on ... engage in ... any
business ... which shall be dangerous, hurtful, unwholesome, offensive or
unhealthy to the neighborhood. The chief of police, director of inspections,
It appears the same ordinance could be used to enforce no smoking.
Jason Stone
Diamond Lake
--- Neal Krasnoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.skywaynews.net/articles/2004/06/18/news/news13.txt
Offensive occupants. No person shall ... carry on ... engage in ... any
business ... which
I think the crack house on my block is an anomaly. It
isn't like it was back in the early 90's when they
were everywhere. The corner store has always been a
low life place but even that wasn't engaged in drug
dealing activity until the most recent people started
running it.
What's different this
John,
your supposition that there is less gang violence because their is less
conflict for territory is correct. Also when the heat of the shoot-ups of
97 brought U.S Attorney David Lillehaug armed with the BATF, DEA, and other
Federal Agencies down on Gang leadership then the word went out that
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:58:48 -0500 Mike Jensvold
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(Snip)
Lets save rights for the basics: speech, religion, etc. Arguing
for smoker's rights is a dead end, arguing that Clean air is your right
is simplistic.
Don't ban smoking in bars, and clubs. Leave the people
There was an interesting article in the Strib on Saturday about
cohousing. Ever since I joined a housing cooperative in my first years of college, the
idea of this sort of living for transforming a culture has been apparent to
me; and this article caused me to revisit and articulate it
In a message dated 6/20/2004 8:59:23 AM Central Daylight Time, Andy Driscoll
writes:
Of course, every agency and research institution in the world affirms not
only
the dangerous effects of second-hand smoke, but new evidence shows that
short-term exposure to relatively small amounts of smoke
I'd like to apologize in advance for repeating some
old arguments, but I think that they're important
and are either being sidestepped or ignored.
Andy Driscoll wrote:
This focus on rights and privileges vs. public health is
getting very old.
Well the debate on rights vs. government
Bill Kahn wrote:
I've often thought that instead of the status quo hodgepodge of federal,
state, and local housing policies resulting in the inadequate system we
have now, e.g., Barb Lickness's Section 8 neighbor who hosts gang
bangers and druggies, what we really need is a mix of housing types
Andy Driscoll writes:
If you believe you have evidence refuting 60 years of increasingly solid
research affirming the dangers of second-hand smoke - produce it.
MG Stinnet:
Actually Andy, that's not the way the process works. You are the one who
wants to ban an otherwise legal activity; thus
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On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 12:02, Andy Driscoll wrote:
But the beverage association - a front for tobacco companies in this
matter - has had the good fortune to have both money and a
disproportionate voice in these deliberations already.
Disproportionate to what? People who have nothing
On 6/20/04 9:03 PM, Gregory Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Section 8 is not synonymous with 'gang bangers and druggies,'
nor should Barb's experience be seen as an example of the 'inadequacy' of the
federal Section 8 housing system. A misperception, yes, but it's a
misperception just
I am absolutely in line with Greg Luce on this one.
The craziness and evil behavior going on in the house
across the street from me is not a reflection of
section 8, public housing or low income people. It is
a reflection on one family. A family that is
completely out of control. A family that as
Someone with a gorgeous sense of humor recently tagged a deserted
commercial building fronting the sidewalk at 27th and Bloomington where
drug dealers regularly congregate. The large graffito read Crack 4
Sale. I'm told that buyers were fairly reluctant to pull up in front
of it and that
After having a couple of addictions myself I think I can say a couple of
things. People, not cigarettes are the most addictive substance in this
world. People depending on their background and their development either
stay in their addictions or grow out of them. Growing is not always easy and
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