: Re: [Mpls] code 4
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:49:31 -0600
This statement is contradictory and full or problems. Jaywalking and
driving damaged vehicles are not "crimes," but mere legal violations.
...
In addition, when stopping people for non-criminal violation
David Shove [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: j burns [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich McMartin [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Subject: Re: [Mpls] code 4
What passes for sarcasim in your post doesn't make me smile or think. I
live 2 blocks away from the
Evan Schnell wrote:
Isn't the point of this thing to eliminate crime in these
neighborhoods? Haven't they succeeded? I think we all remember the
"Murderopolis" label? I personally would rather get hassled by a cop
occasionally than have my place broken into all of the time and get shot
expected to follow
the rules...
the golden one comes to mind.
JHarmon
Cleveland
From: Richard McMartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Issues Minneapolis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mpls] code 4
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:49:31 -0600
This statement is contradictory and full or problems. Jaywalking
Rich makes two main points below, both of which have
the same root.
First, all of the crime Rich mentions would not have
been stopped with the existence of code4, in fact,
much of it has occurred during the reign of code4 (I
am across the alley from Rich so I have a pretty good
idea of the
Regarding the use of CODEFOR in Minneapolis...
Here is an idea from New York City that fits into the discussion of
the use of computerized crime tracking and the resulting emphasis on
policing specific areas in certain ways.
The New York City Police Department was aided in its crackdown on
It is my understanding that New York and Chicago have used similar methods to
those described below by Mr. Atherton in LA. My question is then, if increased
enforcement promotes safer streets (and that is an "if"), then why bother with
CODE 4 at all; why not address the problems with the
This example of cracked windshields is rather close to home. I live in
the central neighborhood, and my windshield has a small crack. I've never
been stopped. But then, I'm white. I've also ridden my bike through
lights on occasion--and never been stopped. Ultimately for police
This statement is contradictory and full or problems. Jaywalking and
driving damaged vehicles are not "crimes," but mere legal violations.
...
In addition, when stopping people for non-criminal violation in CODEFOR
neigbhorhoods, the police regularly engage in intrusions that are only
Richard McMartin wrote:
This statement is contradictory and full or problems. Jaywalking and
driving damaged vehicles are not "crimes," but mere legal violations.
...
In addition, when stopping people for non-criminal violation in CODEFOR
neigbhorhoods, the police regularly
"Jordan S. Kushner" wrote:
No. you have not committed a crime. you have committed a "petty
misdemeanor" - not legally considered a crime. that means, in relevant
part, you can be stopped and given a ticket, but not searched, detained
or arrested without any further cause. you are also
I think Boston drivers are right up there at the top of my list of places
with "awful" drivers. It seems to me that cellphones have excaberated the
problem everywhere but especially here in high-tech Minnesota and those who
have every device right in their car. Not focusing on driving a couple
I don't want to get into a contest about who has the worst drivers. I'm
from New Jersey where I learned to drive, lived in Pennsylvania, Michigan,
France, Tunisia, and drove extensively in Mexico and Puerto Rico. In case
anyone wants to know, the worst drivers in the world (and this tops the
I need some help here. Can some one please help me to understand what code 4
is thanks allot.
Steven Froemming
63A 11-6
Windom.
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Evan Schnell wrote this in response to Jordan Kushner,
in part:
"CODEFOR still requires a crime to be committed to be
stopped. Tagging, jaywalking, and driving a damaged
car are illegal. There is nothing inherently
oppressive about stopping people who do these things."
With all due respect to
The other side of CODEFOR, is that if you live in a non-targeted area, not
much attention is paid to the petty crimes that happen around you. I got no
response to calls about drug paraphernalia on our property and I actually
witnessed an officer let a drunk lady get in her car and drive away.
my first reaction to Evan Schnell's post was to ignore it, figuring it
was obviously ridiculous (i cannot use fully descriptive language
because the list manager/censor would expel me - free speech?). But i
could not resist responding to the specific points for fear that a
hurried reading might
my first reaction to Evan Schnell's post was to ignore it, figuring it
was obviously ridiculous (i cannot use fully descriptive language
because the list manager/censor would expel me - free speech?). But i
could not resist responding to the specific points for fear that a
hurried reading might
--- Evan Schnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If cops are not following the rules of CODEFOR
that's a disciplinary issue
that should be addressed.
How on Earth can police be disciplined? Try asking
the police for standards of behavior, and then ask
what the burden of proof is to hold the
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