2 Yen or so). In one Sofmap store there was also a second-hand
software
section with 2 shelves of MSX ROMs and one table with some lost MSX ROMs.
I
bought some nice and cheap ones of course (Konami's Baseball (only ROM),
Arkanoid 2 (only ROM), Genghis Khan (complete, anyone knows it?),
And maybe someone can point ASCII to the current poll at www.msx.org?
That's a good initiative, it's even fair since you can't even vote more than
once ;-)
Pierre
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And maybe someone can point ASCII to the current poll at www.msx.org?
That's a good initiative, it's even fair since you can't even vote more
than
once ;-)
Some results are already sent to Ikeda - Yokoi - ASCII
;)
Sander
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Sander Zuidema wrote:
And maybe someone can point ASCII to the current poll at www.msx.org?
That's a good initiative, it's even fair since you can't even vote more
than
once ;-)
Some results are already sent to Ikeda - Yokoi - ASCII
Some others (poll at
That's really bad, and the only one who will loose with this is us, msx
lovers.
Because Ademir and Padial are both talented guys, with deep knowledge of
MSX, but if they go on they own, we will end up with two diferent MSX
machines.
We can't afford that, because there are few MSX users
At 22:17 8-7-00 +0100, you wrote:
And if Rob Hiep really gets buried with work, well, then he can ask someone
else to help him, right? I bet there are plenty of MSX-people wanting to do
something for MSX by helping Sunrise, especially in interesting times with
an MSX 3.
Autsch, can tell
At 23:04 8-7-00 +0200, you wrote:
Hell, even Rob and Koen aren't subscribed to this list!
But that's because they're so busy... It's hard get in touch with them if
you don't use e-mail...
GreeTz, BiFi
Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org
mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FTP:
But, if I remember correctly, some guy from Sunrise (sorry, I forgot your
name) wrote that this wasn't correct: they spoke with the Japanse guys
after
the fair.
Yes, they TRIED to, at least. I was with them to translate everything, but
I
have to agree that the Sunrise-crew didn't seem to
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair
(every group giving a short speech and demonstration)
Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room
with
a
beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their
newest projects
p.s. I also think Japan overestimates Sunrise.Rob and his guyz are
very
cool, but if MSX gets serious again in Japan, they would need a stronger
european partner...Rob would go nuts if he should carry this weight...I am
not sure about this, but I thought Ikeda himself told me Sunrise
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair
(every group giving a short speech and demonstration)
Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with
a
beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their
newest projects or
Then why coming to a Dutch fair and talk about Sunrise/ Padial not
showing
much interest? This does not make much sense. Anyway, this discussion
ends
here as far as I'm concerned. Let the Japanese show us what they are up
to.
For now I think we can better pay some interest to the new harware
I haven't read MSX Magazine. Is there an announcement from ASCII in it?
Can't remember exactly, but only the fact that a company like ASCII is
suddenly starting to support a dead system like MSX once again, is
somewhat
obscure. Probably, there is some reason for it.
THAT's the problem. I
I tried to provocate a bit, to get the discussion going...I had the
feeling
the Dutch MSX-ers had to be woken up, coz this new MSX-stuff is really
more
serious then we Europeans (esp. Dutch) seem to think.We have waited
almost 10 years for this kinda news. Everyone said it would be
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Laurens Holst wrote:
And if Rob Hiep really gets buried with work, well, then he can ask someone
else to help him, right? I bet there are plenty of MSX-people wanting to do
something for MSX by helping Sunrise, especially in interesting times with
an MSX 3.
Right. *IF*
On 8 Jul 2000 21:12:48 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Laurens Holst) wrote:
p.s. I also think Japan overestimates Sunrise.Rob and his guyz are
very
cool, but if MSX gets serious again in Japan, they would need a stronger
european partner...Rob would go nuts if he should carry this
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Laurens Holst wrote:
Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and
me will be there.
All the way to Japan? No way man. It's just a hobby...
Manuel Bilderbeek is in Japan already...
Greetings: Saku Taipale, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Author: Francisco Alvarez
Hola ag0ny, la familia bien ¨no?
El 06-Jul-00 a las 23:01:18, ag0ny taladraba a Anne de Raad
Tema: Re: What MSX really means
I tried to provocate a bit, to get the discussion going...I had the
feeling
the Dutch MSX-ers had to be woken up, coz
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Francisco Alvarez wrote:
a Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and
a me will be there.
Pazos, Javi, Saver... I hope that you'll bring news to Europe!!!
Pazos isn't going this year. I've already asked him.
Regards,
--
[EMAIL
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Saku Taipale wrote:
Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and
me will be there.
All the way to Japan? No way man. It's just a hobby...
Manuel Bilderbeek is in Japan already...
And SaveR from Club MeSXes will be there in August,
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
very
cool, but if MSX gets serious again in Japan, they would need a stronger
european partner...Rob would go nuts if he should carry this weight...I am
not sure about this, but I thought Ikeda himself told me Sunrise isn't
interested in
Laurens Holst wrote:
Padial's English is VERY bad. I could hardly speak with him myself. And it
is true, he is quite reluctant to co-operate with other people (he also
doesn't want to co-operate with Ademir). I -kind of- understand his
That's really bad, and the only one who will loose with
the fact that a company like ASCII is
suddenly starting to support a dead system like MSX once again, is
somewhat
obscure. Probably, there is some reason for it.
The fact that ASCII tried to promote MSX in Japan in the eighties with a
giant dinosaur may give us a clue...
By the way, does
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Rieks W. Torringa wrote:
In my opinion, the main thing to be achieved, is that non-MSX-users will be
confronted with the system once again. And in a way in which many of them
might even consider buying one.
Right. And they would have the chance to choose anything
When Anne wrote "I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we
react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't,
actually...;-)", I wanted to explain why it is too early to become all
excited.
You made your point. Thank you!! ;-)
I tried to provocate a bit, to get the
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Anne de Raad wrote:
I tried to provocate a bit, to get the discussion going...I had the feeling
the Dutch MSX-ers had to be woken up, coz this new MSX-stuff is really more
serious then we Europeans (esp. Dutch) seem to think.We have waited
almost 10 years for this
You don't have to be excited about this project yet, just show interest,
so
Ascii can see what (if they are busy) they are doing it for..
So what can we do? Collect signatures? Mailbomb Ascii? Send a declaration of
support to Japan?
Pierre
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Really, if there are companies in Japan interested in MSX
again, they won't need our help...
But our commitment may help convince them that there is still a lot of
interest in MSX in the rest of the world as well. Even if it helps just a
tiny little bit towards the revival of MSX, it's worth
I quote from Ikeda's MSX Print:
English:
We had also hoped to interchange thoughts with Sunrise and Leonardo
Padial from Spain about which kind of CPU and soundchip will be
implemented and what kind of harddisk interface could be used best, but
it seemed to us that they had very little interest
Then why coming to a Dutch fair and talk about Sunrise/ Padial not showing
much interest? This does not make much sense. Anyway, this discussion ends
here as far as I'm concerned. Let the Japanese show us what they are up to.
For now I think we can better pay some interest to the new harware
There is always some loss of information, an exact 1-on-1 translation is
impossible between natural languages.
Disagreed. Some ways of saying something might be slightly different, but
the thing that is being said is quite well translatable in another language,
even if the difference is as
On Wed, 05 Jul 2000, Rieks W. Torringa wrote:
There is always some loss of information, an exact 1-on-1 translation is
impossible between natural languages.
Disagreed. Some ways of saying something might be slightly different, but
the thing that is being said is quite well translatable in
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair
(every group giving a short speech and demonstration)
Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with a
beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their
newest projects or maybe
Indeed a good idea.
-Original Message-
From: Pierre Gielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 04 July 2000 10:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What MSX really means
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair
(every group giving a short speech
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair
(every group giving a short speech and demonstration)
Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with
a
beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their
newest projects or
Hey everybuddiez...
During the marathon of Bussum 2000 there will be plenty of time to give
speeches,
presentations, info etc.. with an interested croud (isn't there Laurens??)
Though a problem is that most of the visitors already leave before 4
o'clock..
I guess if you arrange some
The message that people in Europe (and how about the rest of the world,
Brazil for example) are not really interested in news from Japan is
however
coming from one of the people on this list. He reacted to my original
message
by saying that people are not really interested in the kind of news
First of all I would like to say that I truly hope there will be a new
MSX.
But in order to make a new MSX I think it is wise that groups work
together
to achieve this goal.
Do you think Japanese companies have interest in the view of some small
groups in Europe? I don't think so. Yes,
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Alex Wulms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: dinsdag 4 juli 2000 1:11
Onderwerp: Re: What MSX really means
The message that we don't care much is NOT coming from our Japanese
friends.
At least, I can not find that message
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Anne de Raad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: dinsdag 4 juli 2000 19:23
Onderwerp: Re: What MSX really means
Do you think Japanese companies have interest in the view of some small
groups in Europe? I don't think so. Yes
Then why coming to a Dutch fair and talk about Sunrise/ Padial not showing
much interest? This does not make much sense. Anyway, this discussion ends
here as far as I'm concerned. Let the Japanese show us what they are up
to.
For now I think we can better pay some interest to the new harware
Well, it's also a little bit the other way around. And besides all that,
the
translations
of Ikeda MSX print (or the original text) aren't always very clear.
The article about the 'new MSX' was quite unclear (so I mean the JAPANESE
version). I think the reason is, that it involved news that
"straight" is actually Frontline - Ikeda - Rieks - mailinglist
In other words, straight. Besides, as you might still remember, the Japanese
came to the Tilburg-fair. Sander met them there and they told something
about this new MSX project back then. And about Frontline Mailinglist etc.,
if
On Tue, 04 Jul 2000, Rieks W. Torringa wrote:
"straight" is actually Frontline - Ikeda - Rieks - mailinglist
In other words, straight. Besides, as you might still remember, the
Japanese came to the Tilburg-fair. Sander met them there and they told
something about this new MSX project back
Indeed a good idea.
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair
(every group giving a short speech and demonstration)
Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with a
beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their
Hey,
"straight" is actually Frontline - Ikeda - Rieks - mailinglist
Ehm, no in fact this is Yokoi and Ikeda - Sander
Besides, is a rumour more reliable if it comes from Japan?
I think so, because (like I said before) the Japanese are a lot more serious
about MSX than we are. Besides, this
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for?
It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I
posted
a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting
that
MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at
all...I think it's
'New MSX by ASCII', etc. At the other hand, the biggest Japanese MSX fair
was also sponsored by ASCII, wasn't it?
Yes it is and this year again. 20th of August in Tokyo: MSX Den-Yu Land
2000. See the site of AAM and/or www.msxmagazine.com. Last Saturday I
already previewed the building, it is
[About the meaning of MSX]
-Sander
B.T.W. MSX= Microsoft Sander's eXtension
Hm... I wouldn't be too happy about that one ;-)
(*shiver* microsoft extending me? never!)
Eric
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Hi,
Yes it is and this year again. 20th of August in Tokyo: MSX Den-Yu Land
2000. See the site of AAM and/or www.msxmagazine.com. Last Saturday I
already previewed the building, it is very easy to find. So, I will try to
go there! Who else is?? (Except Javi! He will come!)
I don't know if
On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Collin van Ginkel wrote:
I tried to find more with my Japanese friend who knows Akihabara pretty
well, but ... nothing. Does anyone have some hints?
When I was in Japan about a year ago it was the same situation. The shop
with the 2 shelves of software regularly adds
]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: What MSX really means
About that new MSX and other tech-talk.
I think a lot of people read it and are interested, but don't feel the
need
to react. In my case, all the mail I get from the list I scan and somtimes
read
Hans-Peter Zeedijk wrote:
I must react on my own message: It looks that I put asside the other
hardware projects around MSX, like the Z380 Brazillian. This is because I
Hm, actually there are two projects: the Spanish
Z380 one, by Leonardo Padial, and the Brazilian
Z180 one, by Ademir
is no interest to me anymore. In fact: IF THAT NEW MSX COMES, I WIL BUY
IT,
WHATEVER IT COSTS!
I think you'll be one of the few who will buy it at any cost. IMHO a new MSX
should cost no more than EUR 500 (twice the cost of a PS2, half the cost of
a PC).
Pierre
MSX Mailinglist. To
Can you give an example other than the Frontline/ASCII project?
For instance, the Japanese MSX MAGAZINE, which had his last issue back in
1992 has made a restart. Vol. 2 is almost done and I myself have vol. 1 (a
gift from Yokoi/Ikeda/Pen). Again with ASCII being involved. I have read
almost
At 23:13 2-7-00 +0200, Anne de Raad wrote:
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for?
It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I posted
a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting that
MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Sander Zuidema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: maandag 3 juli 2000 0:21
Onderwerp: Re: What MSX really means
That's not the worst thing.
The main reason why the Japanese went to Tilburg was making contacts
and looking
Hey,
As far as I know, the Japanese know who the leading MSX groups in Europe
are, so that's not the problem. At least Kuniji Ikeda knows all important
leading MSX figures in Europe. Some people from different MSX groups told
us
that they did not talk with Padial or Sunrise about this new
I heard stories (Anne, can you verify this one for me?) that MicroCabin
once
wanted to translate
some Cabins to English and sell them in Europe, but nobody seemed to be
interested.
Yes, this is true, Microcabin showed interest in the European market. So did
i.e. Hertz (Hydefos,
Hi,
About the new Japanese MSX standard, it would be great if it is really true!
I heard stories (Anne, can you verify this one for me?) that MicroCabin once
wanted to translate
some Cabins to English and sell them in Europe, but nobody seemed to be
interested.
I think this situation is
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Sander Zuidema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: maandag 3 juli 2000 21:28
Onderwerp: Re: What MSX really means
Hi,
First of all I would like to say that I truly hope there will be a new MSX.
But in order to make a new MSX
] Would you invest time and money in a new MSX design? Probably not.
] But since last year ASCII is again sponsoring MSX-magazine and MSX-fairs.
And ABN-AMRO bank sponsors Ajax (the soccer team of Amsterdam, for the
non-dutch). But that does not mean that ABN-AMRO bank is going to setup a
] We are interested and most clubs are willing to help I think. Telling us
] that we don't care much is not really the way to make us enthousiastic. I
The message that we don't care much is NOT coming from our Japanese friends.
At least, I can not find that message anywhere in Ikeda's MSX print.
Anne de Raad wrote:
It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I posted
a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting that
MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at
all...I think it's too far from their beds or
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for?
It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I posted
a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting that
MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at
all...I think it's too
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for?
(...)
The rumours about a new MSX in Japan are getting stronger every
day and yes,
you see some 'talk' about it in this mailinglist and the
newsgroup, but you
would expect it would get MUCH more attentionMaybe the 'technical'
I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we
react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't,
actually...;-)
That's not the worst thing.
The main reason why the Japanese went to Tilburg was making contacts
and looking for people who could help with the development of
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for?
It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I
posted
a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting
that
MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at
all...I think
On Sun, 02 Jul 2000, Anne de Raad wrote:
The rumours about a new MSX in Japan are getting stronger every day and
yes, you see some 'talk' about it in this mailinglist and the newsgroup,
but you would expect it would get MUCH more attention
You're referring to the Frontline/ASCII project,
Dear all,
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for? Then visit the MSX Plaza and
read the june 22 edition of MSX Print from Mr. Ikeda (in section
Documentation - Japanese MSX news by Ikeda) to completely revise your
opinion.
Kind regards,
Alex Wulms
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