Re: How can I use mutt on disconnected laptops?
Peter Jaques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 15 Oct 2000: there's a tricky thing here, though. Of course, it's not a simple setup (to get working right, at least). if a message exists on the desktop machine, not on the laptop, there are two possibilities. 1) you downloaded it to the laptop deleted it, or 2) it's new mail you've never downloaded to laptop. this could be dealt with by keeping a record of when syncs happen comparing that to file mod times, i suppose. or does maildir do this in some special way? Well, Maildir keeps new messages in a separate dir from the read messages, but that doesn't really help here -- unless you make sure to never do the sync with new mail in the "new" dir. Keeping a record of sync times and then comparing which files have been created when is probably the best way. That I can think of, anyway. Note that this problem isn't unique to Maildirs, the mbox folders suffer from the same problem -- if there's new mail there in the folder, how can you tell if it's something you did download to the laptop and already deleted, or if it's something you've really not seen before? So the same problem needs to be solved there. Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0.
PGP 6.5.2 Q's
Hello, I'm trying to get PGP 6.5.2 working with mutt. I downloaded the pgp6.rc file and am sourcing it in my .muttrc. Everything seems to work up to the point where I choose the keyID for the user, then it bombs. Here is the message it outputs: -- Mutt: PGP keys matching [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Pretty Good Privacy(tm) Version 6.5.2 (c) 1999 Network Associates Inc. Uses the RSAREF(tm) Toolkit, which is copyright RSA Data Security, Inc. Export of this software may be restricted by the U.S. government. WARNING: Because this public key is not certified with a trusted signature, it is not known with high confidence that this public key actually belongs to: "chris sechiatano [EMAIL PROTECTED]". Encryption error For a usage summary, type: pgp -h For more detailed help, consult the PGP User's Guide. Press any key to continue... I'm sure its one of the pgp_encrypt_only_command line in the pgp6.rc file, but since I'm not a pgp wizard, I need a bit of hand holding. I changed all the references of pgp6 to pgp in my pgp6.rc so there shouldn't be any problem there. Thanks -- ___ _ / ___/ / (_)__ / /__/ _ \/ __/ (_- \ __/_//_/_/ /_/___/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I use mutt on disconnected laptops?
Note that this problem isn't unique to Maildirs, the mbox folders suffer from the same problem -- if there's new mail there in the folder, how can you tell if it's something you did download to the laptop and already deleted, or if it's something you've really not seen before? So the same problem needs to be solved there. What about keeping trash-folders of deleted mails? Merge the trash folders, build a message-id cache, and use the "remove duplicates" procmail filter on the incomming folder(s).
Complete Beginner's Question
Hello, Can someone point me in the right direction to set up address book(s) etc in mutt ? I am becoming a fan :) Thanks Cliff
Re: Composing a draft?
If all you want to do is _read_ a few messages without modiying flags, just access the folder in read-only mode. On 2000-10-15 10:20:06 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:20:06 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MUTT Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Composing a draft? Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: MUTT Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: The Lumber Cartel, India (tinlcI) Bob Bell proclaimed on mutt-users that: Just open another mutt session. Unlike many mail editors, you can have multiple instances of mutt running at the same time. However, mailbox flags get modified when you do this - especially with mbox folders. A better thing to do is to use something like gvim or emacs as the editor (both of which pop up in different terms from the mutt window, and multiple sessions of which can be opened leaving your mutt xterm free) Of course, on a console, this means some tedious shifting between alt-f1, alt-f2 ... virtual consoles ;) -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + Wallopus Malletus Indigenensis mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI Azh nazg durbataluk, azh nazg gimbatul, Azh nazg thrakataluk agh burzum ishi krimpatul -- Thomas Roessler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nuking duplicate messages (from Telsa's .procmailrc)
# Nuke duplicate messages :0 Wh: msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 8192 msgid.cache This recipe should not be used. It can cause mail loss. Read the _complete_ example in the procmailex man page. Now, this works nicely most of the time but I find that about 50% of postings from mutt-users are coming directly from the authors rather than from the list. I suspect that this is to do with how long the list takes to turn around a message and so I'm receiving the post from the author before I get it from the list. Anyone come across this problem before (I know it's more procmail related than mutt related but us mutterers should be familiar with procmail too! :-). I have no good solution for this. I'm saving duplicates to a folder, and I check the headers to decide which copy to delete. Anyway, shouldn't all of us be using the "L" key to reply to the list rather than reply to all, thereby eliminating this problem in the first place??!! Some people apparently use "g". Even if you specifically say "Please don't carbon copy on replies."
Re: Complete Beginner's Question
Cliff Sarginson proclaimed on mutt-users that: Can someone point me in the right direction to set up address book(s) etc in mutt ? Select any message and press a - see what happens. mutt-newbie folks - yet another question to add to the list ;) +suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + Wallopus Malletus Indigenensis mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI You've been telling me to relax all the way here, and now you're telling me just to be myself? -- The Return of the Secaucus Seven
Re: Nuking duplicate messages (from Telsa's .procmailrc)
On 2000.10.16 11:03:17, you, the extraordinary Lars Hecking, opined: (quoting someone) # Nuke duplicate messages :0 Wh: msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 8192 msgid.cache This recipe should not be used. It can cause mail loss. Read the _complete_ example in the procmailex man page. Is this also a problem with nodupmail? (http://nodupmail.sourceforge.net/) Cheers, N. -- Nollaig MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amhuinnsuidhe.cx Oppose renaming Mt Logan!! http://www.savemtlogan.com
Re: How can I use mutt on disconnected laptops?
On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 12:30:55PM +0100, Conor Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking have having the laptop nfs share the mailfolders to the desktop, since I assume that the laptop will always be with him... OK, that's fine so long as the desktop machine *isn't* receiving mail while the laptop is away. My home server collects email about 6 times per day whether I'm there or not so that wouldn't work for me Well, as long as the home server is the only machine receiving mail (i.e., you don't check with your laptop, too), you could keep your downloaded mail and folders on your laptop and export them as an NFS share to your desktop (as mentioned). To handle mail that arrives when the laptop is disconnected, try running a home machine as a POP3 server, and then use fetchmail to get all new mail to the laptop when connected. To check mail at home, make sure the laptop is up-to-date (i.e., has run fetchmail recently) and then check mail normally, which will access your mail folders on your laptop. -- Bob Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "For example, OS/360 devotes 26 bytes of the permanently resident date-turnover routine to the proper handling of December 31 on leap years (when it is Day 366). That might have been left to the operator." -- Fred Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_, on wasting resources
Re: How can I use mutt on disconnected laptops?
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:25:47AM -0400 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Bob Bell thought: On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 12:30:55PM +0100, Conor Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking have having the laptop nfs share the mailfolders to the desktop, since I assume that the laptop will always be with him... OK, that's fine so long as the desktop machine *isn't* receiving mail while the laptop is away. My home server collects email about 6 times per day whether I'm there or not so that wouldn't work for me Well, as long as the home server is the only machine receiving mail (i.e., you don't check with your laptop, too), you could keep your downloaded mail and folders on your laptop and export them as an NFS share to your desktop (as mentioned). To handle mail that arrives when the laptop is disconnected, try running a home machine as a POP3 server, and then use fetchmail to get all new mail to the laptop when connected. To check mail at home, make sure the laptop is up-to-date (i.e., has run fetchmail recently) and then check mail normally, which will access your mail folders on your laptop. Nice, elegant, OH NO! I left the laptop at work!!! What now?? Perhaps run an imap daemon and access that with the desktop if the laptop isn't available... -- Conor Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domestic Sysadmin :-)
spamfilter for procmail
could someone post a simple spam receipe for procmail? I'm afraid I'll end up filtering out my important mails. You know, things like distant relatives writing to give me money and such.. thanks
Re: spamfilter for procmail
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:43:46PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote: could someone post a simple spam receipe for procmail? I'm afraid I'll end up filtering out my important mails. You know, things like distant relatives writing to give me money and such.. thanks Though this is off topic, might as well answer at the same time. The following is what I have set up. It's not too fancy. It doesn't toast the mail, it merely sticks it into a 'spam' folder. This is the only way to be safe about spam. Periodically I go through the spam folder and manually check for anything worthwhile, deleting the rest -- it's usually pretty fast to do this. -- - Bruce PATH=/bin:/usr/bin MAILDIR=$HOME/mail # check for spam :0H: * ^X-advertisement: spam #check for more spam :0H: * !^To: spam # check for more spam -- anything not addressed to me :0H * !^TO(bruce|Blind\.Copy\.Receiver) spam
Re: spamfilter for procmail
On 10/16, Dale Morris rearranged the electrons to read: could someone post a simple spam receipe for procmail? I'm afraid I'll end up filtering out my important mails. You know, things like distant relatives writing to give me money and such.. thanks Here are a few simple recipes I have in one of my .procmailrc's: :0: * ^From:.*(moneyworld|fincon|selfhelpnet|natureplus)\.com(\|$) /dev/null :0: * ^TO(moneyworld|fincon|selfhelpnet|natureplus)\.com(\|$) /dev/null :0: * ^Subject: Accept Credit Cards* /dev/null :0: * ^From:.*Toll2troll@aol\.com(\|$) /dev/null Hope this helps you. "man 5 procmailrc" and "man 5 procmailex" have some good information in them, too, regarding your .procmailrc file. Good luck, Jamie
Re: spamfilter for procmail
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:57:39PM -0400, Bruce DeVisser wrote: Though this is off topic, might as well answer at the same time. The following is what I have set up. It's not too fancy. It doesn't toast the mail, it merely sticks it into a 'spam' folder. This is the only way to be safe about spam. Periodically I go through the spam folder and manually check for anything worthwhile, deleting the rest -- it's usually pretty fast to do this. I'll just add my $0.02US to this and agree with Bruce's example. After spending lots of time trying to weed out spammers, I found the most effective filter was to simple accept all known addresses and everything else goes into a spam folder. Nearly all the spam I receive is not addressed to me or one of the mailing lists I subscribe to. You just have to remember to read your spam folder every once in a while. I actually have a +spam at the end of my `mailboxes' line in my .muttrc to remind me I have mail waiting there. me
Re: spamfilter for procmail
Dale Morris proclaimed on mutt-users that: could someone post a simple spam receipe for procmail? I'm afraid I'll end up filtering out my important mails. You know, things like distant relatives writing to give me money and such.. Two of the best I've seen are - 1. Catherine Hampton's Spambouncer - http://www.spambouncer.org 2. Walter Dnes' Recipes - http://www.waltdnes.org Besides this, at the MTA level, see if you can get your sysadmin to support the RBL and DUL blacklists at least (also the RSS if possible) - http://www.mail-abuse.org As The Well is one of the oldest (and most clued) ISPs around, they likely use the rbl already. +suresh http://www.india.cauce.org - stopping spam in india -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + Wallopus Malletus Indigenensis mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI April is the cruellest month... -- Thomas Stearns Eliot
Re: How can I use mutt on disconnected laptops?
On 16 Oct 00, 11:31AM, Mikko Hänninen wrote: Note that this problem isn't unique to Maildirs, the mbox folders suffer from the same problem -- if there's new mail there in the folder, how can you tell if it's something you did download to the laptop and already deleted, or if it's something you've really not seen before? So the same problem needs to be solved there. sure, maildirs are certainly the way to go here; you can just copy/compare/delete files, instead of needing something that can actually change flags in an mbox, or delete messages c. -- Peter Jaques [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques klezmerbalkanturkish clarinet; free foodshelter; books to prisoners pgp: email me with subject "get pgp key", or finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP signature
Re: newbie? How to view mutt error messages.
Rod -- ...and then Rod Pike said... % Greetings, % % Newbie question Actually, this happens in lots of programs :-) % % When I start ( and quit ) mutt there are sometimes error messages a the % bottom of the screen that flash up and then are gone. Is there a log Yep. Ain't it great that mutt is so fast? % that I can look at that contains these messages so I can debug my setup? I don't know that compiling with debugging turned on would help, but firing off script before starting mutt and then taking a look at the resultant output file will at least let you see that error text (in the middle of all of the other screen-painting stuff that has to make it a pretty ugly file to review). % % Cheers, % Rod HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. PGP signature
