date:20020402


01-Apr-02 at 18:57, Robert Chien ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 Hi,
 
 I'm in the process of writing a CGI/Perl script to move
 folders from one IMAP server to another IMAP server. I would
 like to use mutt because I'm already familiar with it, but
 it's the first time I use mutt in a non-interactive way.

Err... why are you using Mutt? Why not just set up an NFS share or FTP
access, and just *copy* the files from one server to the other?

Or is there a specific reason you need to use an MUA to do it? I can't
think of one good reason, unless of course you don't have anything but
IMAP access to each server, in which case you're not going to be doing it
for a whole heap of users, are you?

I don't think mutt is too good at switching IMAP servers anyway... really
not the tool for the job.

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close IMAP connections


I'm trying to use an IMAP folder with mutt, and running into an annoying
problem:

when I don't access that one folder for a while, and I switch to it
(with a macro), I get an error connection closed and an empty index.
the only thing I could find that would fix this is to quit mutt and
start it again - a new connection will then be established.

Is there anything I can do to fix this?  Is there are way, perhaps, to
explicity tell mutt to close the IMAP connection, so it will be
reopened, without quitting mutt?

thanks :)





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Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:50:24AM -0500, Dan Boger wrote:
 when I don't access that one folder for a while, and I switch to it
 (with a macro), I get an error connection closed and an empty index.
 the only thing I could find that would fix this is to quit mutt and
 start it again - a new connection will then be established.

I have the same problem here. I find it very annoying that due to the
lost connection my sent E-Mail cannot be saved.

By the way - I use the preconnect-feature in order to access my
imap-port:
set preconnect=ssh -f -q -L 8090:127.0.0.1:143 -L 8091:127.0.0.1:389 \
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] sleep 120  /dev/null  /dev/null 21
-- 
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using Mutt 1.3.28i (2002-03-13)

Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:32:07PM +0200, Heiko Heil wrote:
 I have the same problem here. I find it very annoying that due to the
 lost connection my sent E-Mail cannot be saved.
 
 By the way - I use the preconnect-feature in order to access my
 imap-port:
 set preconnect=ssh -f -q -L 8090:127.0.0.1:143 -L 8091:127.0.0.1:389 \
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] sleep 120  /dev/null  /dev/null 21

I just use imaps, and it's all behind my firewall anyway... but that
doesn't solve the problem ...

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Re: pgp_create_traditional in 1.5.0

2002-04-02 Thread Shawn McMahon


begin  quoting what Thomas Roessler said on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:59:32PM +0200:
 OpenPGP specifies application/pgp, but that breaks some MUAs that 
 don't follow the OpenPGP RFC.
 
 Where does the OpenPGP RFC specify that?

Sorry, I mispoke; it was another standard that specified that, and it
has since been withdrawn, so I don't care enough to find out what it
was.  :-)




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Re: close IMAP connections


02-Apr-02 at 11:35, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 I just use imaps, and it's all behind my firewall anyway... but that
 doesn't solve the problem ...
 

All my mailboxes are IMAP, so I don't have this problem, since I'm always
connected to the server. However, I have a fairly short
imap_checkinterval:
set imap_checkinterval=60

I don't know if this will help keep your IMAP connection alive whilst in
IMAP folders...

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Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:56:41PM +, Simon White wrote:
 All my mailboxes are IMAP, so I don't have this problem, since I'm always
 connected to the server. However, I have a fairly short
 imap_checkinterval:
 set imap_checkinterval=60

I saw that in the manual, but when I try it, I get an unknown setting
error... 

here's my mutt -v:


Mutt 1.3.28i (2002-03-13)
Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details.

System: Linux 2.2.19-6.2.7 (i586) [using ncurses 4.0]
Compile options:
-DOMAIN
-DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL  +USE_SETGID  +USE_DOTLOCK  +DL_STANDALONE
+USE_FCNTL  -USE_FLOCK
-USE_POP  +USE_NNTP  +USE_IMAP  -USE_GSS  +USE_SSL  -USE_SASL
+HAVE_REGCOMP  -USE_GNU_REGEX
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_START_COLOR  +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD  +HAVE_BKGDSET
+HAVE_CURS_SET  +HAVE_META  +HAVE_RESIZETERM
+HAVE_PGP  -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS  -SUN_ATTACHMENT
+ENABLE_NLS  -LOCALES_HACK  +COMPRESSED  +HAVE_WC_FUNCS  +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET  
++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR
+HAVE_ICONV  -ICONV_NONTRANS  +HAVE_GETSID  +HAVE_GETADDRINFO
ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell
SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail
MAILPATH=/var/spool/mail
PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt
SYSCONFDIR=/usr/local/etc
EXECSHELL=/bin/sh
-MIXMASTER
To contact the developers, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED].
To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility.

vvv.nntp
patch-1.3.28.rr.compressed.1
patch-1.2.xtitles.1

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Re: automating move of folders, imap to imap

2002-04-02 Thread David Champion

* On 2002.04.02, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
* Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
01-Apr-02 at 18:57, Robert Chien ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
Hi,

I'm in the process of writing a CGI/Perl script to move
folders from one IMAP server to another IMAP server. I would

Err... why are you using Mutt? Why not just set up an NFS share or FTP
access, and just *copy* the files from one server to the other?

You answered this yourself

Or is there a specific reason you need to use an MUA to do it? I can't
think of one good reason, unless of course you don't have anything but
IMAP access to each server

to either server, you mean.

in which case you're not going to be doing it
for a whole heap of users, are you?

Why not?

I've been in this situation (or, more accurately, postured a similar on
behalf of my users). With access to one hierarchy of mboxes, I use a
command like this to transfer them all to an IMAP server:

cd .../path/to/folders
find . -type f -print | while read folder; do
directory=`dirname $folder`
folder=`basename $folder`
mutt -f $directory/$folder -e push
'tag-pattern~Aentertag-prefixcopy-messagekill-lineimap://SERVER/$directory/$folderenterenterPASSWORDenterexit'
echo
echo $directory/$folder is transferred.
done

It's trivial to extend that to handle multiple users, if you know
their passwords. If you don't know their passwords, then it's probably
possible to arrange a back-channel transfer not involving IMAP directly.

For doing this between two servers *neither* of which you have access
to, I don't see a way to automate it, since there's no direct means of
getting the folder tree structure in mutt and passing it to a script.
But if you can use another IMAP tool (or cobble your own) to get that
list, you can use a similar approach.

--
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Re: Scrolling the Index - current-{top,middle,bottom}

2002-04-02 Thread David T-G


David --

...and then David DeSimone said...
% 
% Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
% 
%  there is no command which scrolls the index by one line - sorry.
% 
% What about these?
% 
% Index bindings:
%previous-line  scroll up one line
%next-line  scroll down one line

Oh.  *duh*  I completely missed those when I was looking for his answer!


% 
% If you were to combine these in a macro...
% 
% macro index { previous-entrynext-line
% macro index } next-entryprevious-line
% 
% Then the cursor would sit still, while the index scrolls around it.

Hey, that's pretty slick :-)


% 
% -- 
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% [EMAIL PROTECTED]   |  that there is no man really clever who has not
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HAND

:-D
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Re: gpg-key probs

2002-04-02 Thread Rocco Rutte


Hi,

* Rob 'Feztaa' Park [04/02/02 01:12:14] wrote:
 Alas! Rocco Rutte spake thus:
  On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 04:18:29:PM -0500 Shawn McMahon wrote:
   begin quoting what Rocco Rutte said on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at
   11:02:23PM +0200:
On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 03:07:58:PM -0500 ShRen McMahon wrote:
   ^
   Is that a stylistic choice, or is your config broken?
 
  Config broken... I'll try to figure out what exactly is going wrong
  since it's working now without any change...

 Well, isn't Aw the German equivalent of Re?

It's a term that some German versions of broken pieces of software use
as default.

 Looks like something is
 going through and making all your Aw's are actually Re's, but only on
 that one message...

Yeah, that was the reason. I just changed the right pattern to a wrong
one allthough I wanted to change a wrong to a right one. That's why I
thought I didn't change anything. But it should do now.

Cheers, Rocco.



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Re: close IMAP connections


02-Apr-02 at 11:59, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:56:41PM +, Simon White wrote:
  All my mailboxes are IMAP, so I don't have this problem, since I'm always
  connected to the server. However, I have a fairly short
  imap_checkinterval:
  set imap_checkinterval=60
 
 I saw that in the manual, but when I try it, I get an unknown setting
 error... 
 

Duh. So do I. I had the line commented and I didn't notice. So, does
mail_check work for IMAP too, or is this a problem? My INBOX certainly
seems to update on a reasonably frequent basis.

Let me confirm for Heike and Dan, that you have local folders and IMAP
folders in your config, and this is why your IMAP folders are timing out
(on the server) causing the connection to close and thus creating your
problem with not being able to log back in without restarting?

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Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:17:50PM +, Simon White wrote:
 Let me confirm for Heike and Dan, that you have local folders and IMAP
 folders in your config, and this is why your IMAP folders are timing out
 (on the server) causing the connection to close and thus creating your
 problem with not being able to log back in without restarting?

I have two setups (two different boxes) - one has a bunch of local
(non-imap) folders, and a macro defined to access an IMAP folder
(infrequently).  the other box is all IMAP - my folders via IMAP (which
update and work fine), and that same macro for an imap folder (on the
same server, but with a different username).

When I access that one IMAP folder, leave it for a while, and try to come
back is when I run into this problem.

-- 
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Re: close IMAP connections

2002-04-02 Thread Michael Tatge


Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
 when I don't access that one folder for a while, and I switch to it
 (with a macro), I get an error connection closed and an empty index.
 the only thing I could find that would fix this is to quit mutt and
 start it again - a new connection will then be established.

Check out $imap_keepalive

HTH,

Michael
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Re: close IMAP connections

2002-04-02 Thread David Champion


* On 2002.04.02, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
*   Dan Boger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:56:41PM +, Simon White wrote:
  All my mailboxes are IMAP, so I don't have this problem, since I'm always
  connected to the server. However, I have a fairly short
  imap_checkinterval:
  set imap_checkinterval=60
 
 I saw that in the manual, but when I try it, I get an unknown setting
 error... 

$imap_checkinterval was removed in recent 1.3.x releases. Here's the
section the original patch from Brendan:

+- $imap_checkinterval has been retired. You use $mail_check to control
+  how often your mailboxes are polled. Note that the default setting of
+  $mail_check (5 seconds) makes mutt sluggish if you have more than a
+  couple of IMAP mailboxes defined. Also note that mutt polls the current
+  IMAP mailbox for new mail no more often than $timeout seconds, and its
+  default may also surprise you.

It's a little briefer in the actual NEWS file (which this was meant
to patch). Basically, it was determined that $imap_checkinterval and
$mail_check were redundant, so we dropped the special imap one.

-- 
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Re: close IMAP connections


02-Apr-02 at 13:22, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 I have two setups (two different boxes) - one has a bunch of local
 (non-imap) folders, and a macro defined to access an IMAP folder
 (infrequently).  the other box is all IMAP - my folders via IMAP (which
 update and work fine), and that same macro for an imap folder (on the
 same server, but with a different username).
 
 When I access that one IMAP folder, leave it for a while, and try to come
 back is when I run into this problem.

I'm assuming that you mean the IMAP folder with a different username.

Do you have anything set for mail_check in your .muttrc?
How about you, Heike?

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Re: close IMAP connections


02-Apr-02 at 20:22, Michael Tatge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 Check out $imap_keepalive

The default is 600 seconds for imap_keepalive, so I guess those who have
problems should set this lower.

I assume if mail_check is set to 30 (as in my config) then I needn't set
an imap_keepalive, since I haven't had problems, and my mailbox will get
polled anyway. Anyone?

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bigger and better idiots.  So far, the Universe is winning.  -- Rich Cook
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Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:23:01PM -0600, David Champion wrote:
 It's a little briefer in the actual NEWS file (which this was meant
 to patch). Basically, it was determined that $imap_checkinterval and
 $mail_check were redundant, so we dropped the special imap one.

_very_ interesting.  so while it doesn't help with my current problem
(since the mailbox that's timing out isn't one that's getting polled for
new mail) it might explain why my all-IMAP config is very slow, compared
with the local one...  esp since my IMAP server is a P90 with 48M of ram
:)



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Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:24:45PM +, Simon White wrote:
 02-Apr-02 at 13:22, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
  I have two setups (two different boxes) - one has a bunch of local
  (non-imap) folders, and a macro defined to access an IMAP folder
  (infrequently).  the other box is all IMAP - my folders via IMAP (which
  update and work fine), and that same macro for an imap folder (on the
  same server, but with a different username).
  
  When I access that one IMAP folder, leave it for a while, and try to come
  back is when I run into this problem.
 
 I'm assuming that you mean the IMAP folder with a different username.

correct.

 Do you have anything set for mail_check in your .muttrc?

yup - set mail_check = 5

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Re: close IMAP connections

2002-04-02 Thread Luke Ross


Hi,

  when I don't access that one folder for a while, and I switch to it
  (with a macro), I get an error connection closed and an empty index.
  the only thing I could find that would fix this is to quit mutt and
  start it again - a new connection will then be established.

 Check out $imap_keepalive

This, and the other suggestions, don't work if, say your connection drops.
I use mutt patched with vvv-nntp (I know not now - I'm on holiday on a
strange computer), and if the NNTP connection gets closed it asks if you
want to reconnect, and then continues where it left off - perhaps IMAP can
be patched to do the same.

Luke

Re: Mutt ignoring 'From ' lines in mailbox


James Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I looked more carefully at the From lines of the messages
 it was picking up compared to those it wasn't, and in the 
 ones mutt can see, the sender is an e-mail address, e.g. :
 
   From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 16 12:48:57 2001
 
 whereas in the messages mutt is ignoring, it is a name, e.g.:
 
   From Bruce Smith Wed Oct 17 17:08:13 2001
 
 and just removing the space like this solves the problem:
 
   From BruceSmith Wed Oct 17 17:08:13 2001

This is exactly the problem.  Mutt uses a more stringent definition for
the mailbox separator, namely From userid date-stamp.  Mutt has
some heuristics for recognizing date stamps, but if the userid is more
than one word, the heuristics fail.  Technically it shouldn't be
multiple words anyway.

 I don't know enough about the mailbox format to know whether
 this is a bug in mutt, or a bug in the LibDBX program I used
 to translate the Outlook files into mailbox format.  

It's a bug in the tool that wrote the mailbox, LibDBX, I suppose.  But
it's hard to fault it, since the mailbox format is so loosely defined.

Mutt chooses to be picker about the From  syntax because some mailers
don't properly escape a From  that is inside the body of the message.

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Re: Scrolling the Index - current-{top,middle,bottom}

2002-04-02 Thread Robert Conde


That is slick. 

It's more like

macro index { previous-entryprevious-line
macro index } next-entrynext-line


-R



On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 06:30:12PM -0600, David DeSimone wrote:
 Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  there is no command which scrolls the index by one line - sorry.
 
 What about these?
 
 Index bindings:
previous-line  scroll up one line
next-line  scroll down one line
 
 If you were to combine these in a macro...
 
 macro index { previous-entrynext-line
 macro index } next-entryprevious-line
 
 Then the cursor would sit still, while the index scrolls around it.
 
 -- 
 David DeSimone   | The doctrine of human equality reposes on this:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   |  that there is no man really clever who has not
 Hewlett-Packard  |  found that he is stupid. -- Gilbert K. Chesterson
 Richardson IT|PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D  AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44

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Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:24:45PM +, Simon White wrote:
 I'm assuming that you mean the IMAP folder with a different username.
 
 Do you have anything set for mail_check in your .muttrc?
 How about you, Heike?
my gender=male/  ^ -- o ;-)

Currently I use:
set mail_check=120
set timeout=15

After I have sent some mail my connection is lost an therefore my E-Mail
cannot be saved...
-- 
Cheers,
Heiko Heil



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Re: close IMAP connections


02-Apr-02 at 13:34, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:24:45PM +, Simon White wrote:
  Do you have anything set for mail_check in your .muttrc?
 
 yup - set mail_check = 5

So... let me know how you get on if you lower imap_keepalive and/or if you
add the IMAP folder to your new mail poll... although you'll set
mail_check higher or that poor old P90 might get a bit overworked :)

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Re: Why is http address attachet to header?


Patrik Modesto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I create new message, then to the first empty line under header i
 write http://www.something.com and send this mail.  This address is
 send as a part of email's header and body of this mail is empty.  Why? 
 Is this correct?

The other posters on this thread are correct, that you must leave a
blank line after the headers of your message.

A header is always of the form Identifier: text.  Mutt knows this, so
if you mess up, and just start typing Hello without leaving a blank
line, Mutt will look at it, roll his eyes, mumble stupid user, and
then insert the blank line for you, that you should have put there
yourself.  Mutt can tell there's a mistake, because the line has no
colon (:) characters in it.

However, when you type just http://www.something.com; at the beginning
of the first line, well, there is a colon there!  So Mutt thinks you are
adding a new header to your message, http: //www.something.com.  So
Mutt does not fix your mistake in this case, because it does not look
like a mistake.

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Outhouse on Mutt-Users? Was: Re: close IMAP connections


02-Apr-02 at 19:48, Luke Ross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 I use mutt patched with vvv-nntp (I know not now - I'm on holiday on a
 strange computer), and if the NNTP connection gets closed it asks if you
 want to reconnect, and then continues where it left off - perhaps IMAP can
 be patched to do the same.

Good job you said you were on holiday, with headers like 
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700

that is a travesty :)

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Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:32:01PM -0500, Dan Boger wrote:
 _very_ interesting.  so while it doesn't help with my current problem
 (since the mailbox that's timing out isn't one that's getting polled for
   ^^^
The same applies for me...

 new mail) [...]
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Re: update encoding?


Sadiq Al-Lawatia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ~/Mail/tmp/mutt-csce-4803-30 [#1] modified. Update encoding?
 ([yes]/no): 

This message indicates that the time-stamp on the file has been changed
since Mutt last saw you write to the file.

That is, when Mutt launches your editor, and your editor finishes
writing, the timestamp is set to a certain time, and Mutt makes note of
it.  Then, when you press y to send, Mutt looks at the timestamp
again, and notices that it has changed.  Mutt thinks that you did
something behind his back, and so it asks you what's going on, should it
check the file again to see if it should change the encoding (us-ascii,
iso-8859-1, etc).

So, the mystery here is, why does Mutt think that you're changing the
file behind his back?  Does your editor run in parallel with Mutt, like
does it launch a separate X-window for you to edit in, while in the
xterm where you ran Mutt, it thinks you are finished editing?  That's
the only thing I can think of.

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Re: Mutt ignoring 'From ' lines in mailbox

2002-04-02 Thread Matthew D. Fuller


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:46:36PM -0600 I heard the voice of
David DeSimone, and lo! it spake thus:
 
 Mutt chooses to be picker about the From  syntax because some mailers
 don't properly escape a From  that is inside the body of the message.

Well.

Mutt doesn't escape ^From  in the body either when it writes, since it
always writes with Content-Length: headers.

There's no way to win with mbox.  You escape From_'s, you mangle the
message, which can do things like screw up crypto signatures, and the
various other similar problems.  You don't escape them and rely totally
on Content-Length:, you get yourself into trouble if the file is edited
manually or otherwise changed without updating Content-Length to match.
Say I change stuff in the middle of a message, and the last line is From
something date.  If I don't adjust the Content-Length:, depending on
how smart the parser is, it'll either:

- Puke when (end-of-header+content-length) isn't the start of a new
  message
- Search forward from(end-of-header+content-length) to try and
  figure out where the next message is, in which case it'll either get an
  extra empty message (my From) if I added stuff, or skip over a whole
  message and include it in the current, if I deleted stuff.
- Search forward AND backward, in which case, who knows?




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Re: close IMAP connections

2002-04-02 Thread David T-G


Dan --

...and then Dan Boger said...
% 
% On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:23:01PM -0600, David Champion wrote:
% 
...
% with the local one...  esp since my IMAP server is a P90 with 48M of ram

You have 48M?  Wow; lucky you.  My box at home is only a P60 with 16M :-)


HAND

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Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:57:59PM +, Simon White wrote:
 So... let me know how you get on if you lower imap_keepalive and/or if you
 add the IMAP folder to your new mail poll... although you'll set
 mail_check higher or that poor old P90 might get a bit overworked :)

I changed my keepalive, and will report - thanks for the help!

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[OT] Re: close IMAP connections


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 02:10:43PM -0500, David T-G wrote:
 You have 48M?  Wow; lucky you.  My box at home is only a P60 with 16M :-)

yah, we upgraded after it was too slow acting as a
fileserver/dns/dhcp/web server/twiki/cvs/smb master etc...  it's
actually working quite nice, except that AIDE takes too long to run on
it (17 hrs/day), so I need to fix that...  and it still beats my
firewall - 486/25 with 7.8M of ram (don't ask)...  though that one is
purring away nicely :)

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How do you search to: header?

2002-04-02 Thread jennyw


I was just wondering how I would search for someone I sent a message to.  
Using / doesn't help -- that only seems to search subject and from:.

Also, is there documentation somewhere on searching?  I tried hitting help 
in mutt, but it doesn't even show that / is a key to hit for searching.

Thanks!

Jen

Re: How do you search to: header?

2002-04-02 Thread Tim Kennedy



Jen,

have you tried using / with ~t?

/ ~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]

should key on mail 'To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]'.

-tim

On Tue, 02 Apr 2002, jennyw wrote:

 I was just wondering how I would search for someone I sent a message to.  
 Using / doesn't help -- that only seems to search subject and from:.
 
 Also, is there documentation somewhere on searching?  I tried hitting help 
 in mutt, but it doesn't even show that / is a key to hit for searching.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Jen

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shit and he's off resting on the seventh day anyway. --Jeff

Re: update encoding?

2002-04-02 Thread Kyle Rawlins


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:04:24PM -0600, David DeSimone wrote:
 Sadiq Al-Lawatia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  ~/Mail/tmp/mutt-csce-4803-30 [#1] modified. Update encoding?
  ([yes]/no): 
 
 So, the mystery here is, why does Mutt think that you're changing the
 file behind his back?  Does your editor run in parallel with Mutt, like
 does it launch a separate X-window for you to edit in, while in the
 xterm where you ran Mutt, it thinks you are finished editing?  That's
 the only thing I can think of.

I notice that the tmp directory is somewhere under the home directory so could
possibly be nfs mounted - if there is a time skew between the server and the
computer running mutt this could potentially cause problems too.  I am having a
hard time expressing exactly how this would work but I'm pretty sure I've seen
something like this happen to me before.

-kyle

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Re: update encoding?

2002-04-02 Thread Adam Shostack


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:02:02PM -0500, Kyle Rawlins wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:04:24PM -0600, David DeSimone wrote:
  Sadiq Al-Lawatia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   ~/Mail/tmp/mutt-csce-4803-30 [#1] modified. Update encoding?
   ([yes]/no): 
  
  So, the mystery here is, why does Mutt think that you're changing the
  file behind his back?  Does your editor run in parallel with Mutt, like
  does it launch a separate X-window for you to edit in, while in the
  xterm where you ran Mutt, it thinks you are finished editing?  That's
  the only thing I can think of.
 
 I notice that the tmp directory is somewhere under the home directory so could
 possibly be nfs mounted - if there is a time skew between the server and the
 computer running mutt this could potentially cause problems too.  I am having a
 hard time expressing exactly how this would work but I'm pretty sure I've seen
 something like this happen to me before.

The client's clock is running a few minutes behind the server.  You
write the file at local noon, which the server sets to be 12:03.  Mutt
checks the file, sees that its mtime is in the future (12:03 being
later than 12:00), and warns you.

Happens regularly to me.

Adam

Re: How do you search to: header?

2002-04-02 Thread Nicolas Rachinsky


* jennyw [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-02 11:53:11 -0800]:
 I was just wondering how I would search for someone I sent a message to.  
 Using / doesn't help -- that only seems to search subject and from:.

Look for Pattern in the manual.

Nicolas

pager-index display

2002-04-02 Thread Natalie Ford


How do i get my mutt to ise pager-index display like i have seen
a friend of mine using?  I have read man muttrc and man mutt and
googled for all of the mutt documentation but cannot find how to
set this up anywhere ... TIA for any help...

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Re: pager-index display

2002-04-02 Thread Michael Elkins


Natalie Ford wrote:
 How do i get my mutt to ise pager-index display like i have seen
 a friend of mine using?  I have read man muttrc and man mutt and
 googled for all of the mutt documentation but cannot find how to
 set this up anywhere ... TIA for any help...

see pager_index_lines in the manual.

Re: update encoding?


Adam Shostack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The client's clock is running a few minutes behind the server.  You
 write the file at local noon, which the server sets to be 12:03.  Mutt
 checks the file, sees that its mtime is in the future (12:03 being
 later than 12:00), and warns you.

I guess I had always assumed that Mutt took the timestamp from the file,
not from looking at the current time.  Interesting..

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browser menu - add next-new command?

2002-04-02 Thread Sven Guckes


* Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-01 23:30]:
  % Tab key is used to go to next new message
  % within a mailfolder.  Can it jump to new
  % messages of another mailfolder like pine does? I
  % am sorry if I missed something in the manual.
 
  mutt won't go to next-new in another folder, but
  once you tell it (through the mailboxes command)
  what folders to watch, you can go to the next
  folder with new messages when you're in the
  browser.

 I set my incoming folders and everything is fine.
 I just think Pine/TAB is a better way to read new
 mails.  I will try to write a macro but I am
 afraid that I will be reinventing the wheel.

this is definitely becoming a faq now...

so how about adding a next-new command
to the browser menu *before* 1.4 ships?

Sven

Re: browser menu - add next-new command?

2002-04-02 Thread Bo Peng



 * Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-01 23:30]:
   % Tab key is used to go to next new message
   % within a mailfolder.  Can it jump to new
   % messages of another mailfolder like pine does? I
   % am sorry if I missed something in the manual.
  
   mutt won't go to next-new in another folder, but
   once you tell it (through the mailboxes command)
   what folders to watch, you can go to the next
   folder with new messages when you're in the
   browser.
 
  I set my incoming folders and everything is fine.
  I just think Pine/TAB is a better way to read new
  mails.  I will try to write a macro but I am
  afraid that I will be reinventing the wheel.

 this is definitely becoming a faq now...

 so how about adding a next-new command
 to the browser menu *before* 1.4 ships?

 Sven

Yeah! I read the manual again and I think a dedicated macro, if possible, is
too complicated for this purpose. Modifying the source is easier. I would
definitely suggest this feature for version 1.4.

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Re: update encoding?

2002-04-02 Thread Sadiq Al-Lawatia


Quoting Kyle Rawlins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 I notice that the tmp directory is somewhere under the home directory so could
 possibly be nfs mounted - if there is a time skew between the server and the
 computer running mutt this could potentially cause problems too.  I am having a
 hard time expressing exactly how this would work but I'm pretty sure I've seen
 something like this happen to me before.

The home directories are indeed nfs mounted. And after a little chat
with the system administrator, it turns out the problem is exactly as
Adam has suggested in his reply about the clocks not running at the
same time.

So I guess there is nothing I can do, unless the clocks on both the
client and the server are in sync!

--Sadiq

Re: update encoding?

2002-04-02 Thread Will Yardley


Sadiq Al-Lawatia wrote:
 
 The home directories are indeed nfs mounted. And after a little chat
 with the system administrator, it turns out the problem is exactly as
 Adam has suggested in his reply about the clocks not running at the
 same time.
 
 So I guess there is nothing I can do, unless the clocks on both the
 client and the server are in sync!

ask the admin to run ntpd on both machines to keep the times in sync.

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Re: echo $EUID

2002-04-02 Thread Sven Guckes


* Matthew D. Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-27 11:50]:
 .. I end up having to work around Solaris'
 braindamage in a number of ways.
 For instance, on every OTHER OS (including
 pre-Solaris-renaming SunOS, HP/UX 9, NeXT Mach),
 I can use id -u to get the EUID.  Solaris?
 setenv EUID `id | sed s/[a-z\(\)\=]//g | awk '{print $1}'`
 
 Yippie.  Yeah, I could use cut(1) and do
 it a bit more efficiently probably, but...

won't sed suffice?  let's see..

  $ uname -a
  SunOS ritz 5.8 Generic_108528-13 sun4u sparc
  $ id
  uid=10077(guckes) gid=10025(emailer) groups=10025(emailer),10365(hacker),..

so we just need the first number before the first space.
easy:

  $ id | sed -e 's/^uid=\([0-9][0-9]*\).*/\1/'`
  10077

works for me

of course this is much easier with the ZShell:

  $ echo $EUID
  10077

ZShell rules! :-)

Sven

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Re: echo $EUID

2002-04-02 Thread Mark J. Reed


On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:55:25AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
 * Matthew D. Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-27 11:50]:
  .. I end up having to work around Solaris'
  braindamage in a number of ways.
  For instance, on every OTHER OS (including
  pre-Solaris-renaming SunOS, HP/UX 9, NeXT Mach),
  I can use id -u to get the EUID.  Solaris?
/usr/xpg4/bin/id -u

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Re: echo $EUID

2002-04-02 Thread Mark J. Reed


On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 11:27:31PM -0500, Mark J. Reed wrote:
 /usr/xpg4/bin/id -u
To expand upon this:

When SunOS becamse Solaris, its base moved from BSD (Berkeley's
UNIX-based OS) to System V (official UNIX from ATT).  
For compatibility with System V applications (and with the POSIX standard),
they had to give all of the standard commands in /bin (or /usr/bin)
the System V semantics.

However, the older behavior was in many cases superior, and those commands
have been retained in /usr/xpg4.  I tend to prefer the XPG version of
most commands, so I have /usr/xpg4 before /usr/bin in my PATH.

In cases where there was an even wider divergence between the
BSD and System V commands (the ps(1) command being the most infamous
example), you may find the BSD version in /usr/ucb (this is analogous to
but reversed from the old SunOS case, where the System V versions were
in /usr/5bin).

Note that not all Solaris installs have these packages; I've found
that more have /usr/xpg4 than /usr/ucb.

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Re: close IMAP connections

2002-04-02 Thread Michael Tatge


Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
 when I don't access that one folder for a while, and I switch to it
 (with a macro), I get an error connection closed and an empty index.
 the only thing I could find that would fix this is to quit mutt and
 start it again - a new connection will then be established.

Try setting $imap_keepalive to a higher value.

HTH,

Michael
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