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On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 04:16:35PM -0700, Will Yardley wrote: > I do think it's fair to understand that, while for technical mailing > lists and newsgroups, our way of quoting is "correct", that the > conventions are very different in the business world, FWIW I don't find this at all... In my

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I'll be honest, I really don't spend a lot of time thinking about this subject these days. It's rare that I need to spend much time on technical mailing lists and USENET -- so much discussion has moved to online forums, Slack communities, and so forth. With friends, family, and work, I find that

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Just to add to this thread: by chance, a similar conversation recently happened on the main Python mailing list. It's also very interesting reading and starts right here: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2018-May/733194.html Cheers, -- José María Mateos

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Am 18. Mai 2018 00:13:56 MESZ schrieb Cameron Simpson : >On 17May2018 21:17, Florian Gamböck wrote: >>On 2018-05-17 13:15, Cameron Simpson wrote: >>>I've also seen replies come back from people unused to inline >response with >>>their reply slap in the middle of

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On 17May2018 21:17, Florian Gamböck wrote: On 2018-05-17 13:15, Cameron Simpson wrote: I've also seen replies come back from people unused to inline response with their reply slap in the middle of the quoted text because they've not added a blank line. I don't know exactly

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On 2018-05-17 13:15, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 13May2018 19:53, Florian Gamböck wrote: To further avoid confusion I make sure to always insert one blank, unquoted line between the quote and my reply. So even if someone uses a client that HTML formats blockquotes with vertical

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Am 17. Mai 2018 10:06:04 MESZ schrieb Cameron Simpson : >On 17May2018 08:56, Martin Trautmann wrote: >>Am 17. Mai 2018 02:01:42 MESZ schrieb Akkana Peck >: >>>tech-lists writes: >>> You'd really prefer to make >>>several separate related

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On 17May2018 08:56, Martin Trautmann wrote: Am 17. Mai 2018 02:01:42 MESZ schrieb Akkana Peck : tech-lists writes: You'd really prefer to make several separate related replies one right after the other on the same topic, rather than one reply with all your

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Am 17. Mai 2018 02:01:42 MESZ schrieb Akkana Peck : >tech-lists writes: > You'd really prefer to make >several separate related replies one right after the other on the >same topic, rather than one reply with all your comments? Absolutely yes! Anything else will destroy

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Am 17. Mai 2018 05:15:33 MESZ schrieb Cameron Simpson : >I've also seen replies come back from people unused to inline response >with >their reply slap in the middle of the quoted text because they've not >added a >blank line. I don't know exactly what's happening at their

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On 14May2018 12:15, Mark H. Wood wrote: I haven't seen a phone-resident MUA or a webmail thingy that I would choose to use if I had another way. But a modern phone makes a nice terminal. What do you do about typing? I pretty much don't use my phone for email at all, largely

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On 13May2018 19:15, Martin Trautmann wrote: Am 13. Mai 2018 17:12:14 MESZ schrieb tech-lists : No!! ;) and you're missing the point (IMOHO) :( basically, people quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow threaded mail, so very

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On 13May2018 19:53, Florian Gamböck wrote: On 2018-05-13 09:22, Chris Green wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:44:49PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: The key, I've learned, is to teach them about bottom-posting. [...]I now try to remember to put "see my responses in-line below"

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You can come back out from under your desk, now. I want to hide under there. A couple thoughts: Sometimes I scroll through email conversations on the iPhone---I use the "next message" button as a last resort. I find that if quotes are not trimmed, then it does not matter whether they are at

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* Akkana Peck [05-16-18 20:03]: [...] > Of course, in this case I could have simply replied to your message > and let tech-lists' quote be >>, but what if you hadn't quoted the > relevant part of the earlier message? You'd really prefer to make > several separate related

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tech-lists writes: > But inline quoting has its own issues. Multiple inline quotes from multiple > messages can get messy. IMOHO messier than just bottom posting, which is at > least logically chronological. Agreed -- sometimes I wish there was a flag to differentiate the "> " characters somehow.

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On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 07:24:00AM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:57:33AM -0400, Mark H. Wood wrote: > > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:52:23AM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > > > My partner reads gmail on her phone or tablet. She reads my messages but > > > does > > >

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 07:15:46PM +0200, Martin Trautmann wrote: > But are we still discussing bottom vs. top quoting? The here > recommended style to me is known as INLINE QUOTING, where you do > trim the quoting to the few lines which will help to understand the > context of a discussion.

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On 18-05-15 14:57, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Bottom posting is as bad as top posting. There isn’t much difference. I fully agree. Using fullquotes it does not matter very much whether you do it at top or bottom. Both is stupid for replies and even worse on mailing lists where everyone should know

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On 18-05-15 14:37, tech-lists wrote: > On 13/05/2018 18:15, Martin Trautmann wrote: >> IBTD. Major e-mail tools, such as outlook, failed to support proper >> threading. Writing on a smartphone here, I'm not even aware of an app >> with threading. > > You're using K-9 mail which has apparently

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On Di, Mai 15, 2018 at 01:37:06 +0100, tech-lists wrote: But inline quoting has its own issues. Multiple inline quotes from multiple messages can get messy. IMOHO messier than just bottom posting, which is at least logically chronological. Bottom posting is as bad as top posting. There isn’t

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On 13/05/2018 18:15, Martin Trautmann wrote: IBTD. Major e-mail tools, such as outlook, failed to support proper threading. Writing on a smartphone here, I'm not even aware of an app with threading. You're using K-9 mail which has apparently supported threading since 4.390-beta, see

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El día martes, mayo 15, 2018 a las 08:35:50a. m. +0200, Martin Trautmann escribió: > > > Am 14. Mai 2018 18:21:09 MESZ schrieb Ben Oliver : > >This is a cool idea. I use K9 which has decent threading support. > >Mainly > >for reading rather than sending though. > > Could

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Am 14. Mai 2018 18:21:09 MESZ schrieb Ben Oliver : >This is a cool idea. I use K9 which has decent threading support. >Mainly >for reading rather than sending though. Could you send me a screenshot please? I also do use k9, but I only do see a grouping by subject. It lacks

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:52:23AM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > My partner reads gmail on her phone or tablet. She reads my messages but does > not realise that if she scrolls down she can see her message that I replying > to. If I had bottom posting, she would never have read my message,

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On 18-05-14 12:15:57, Mark H. Wood wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 07:15:46PM +0200, Martin Trautmann wrote: Am 13. Mai 2018 17:12:14 MESZ schrieb tech-lists : >No!! ;) and you're missing the point (IMOHO) :( basically, people >quote back way too much. This is the

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 07:15:46PM +0200, Martin Trautmann wrote: > Am 13. Mai 2018 17:12:14 MESZ schrieb tech-lists : > >No!! ;) and you're missing the point (IMOHO) :( basically, people > >quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow > >threaded

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Jon LaBadie writes: > Another example of this: I typically bottom/in-line > respond even private emails. As most of you may > note I have a lot of personal info in my standard > signature. Yet even people with whom I've had many > exchanges will ask my address or phone number. Some email

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On 18-05-13 17:34:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote: I really believe it (top-posting, full quoting) began with compuserve and aol, really discouraging time in history. Definitely makes no sense other than 'gmail does it' or 'outlook does it'

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 05:43:53PM -0400, Thomas Schneider wrote: ... > > So Top posters never read further down the email, it's a total waste > of bandwidth. > Another example of this: I typically bottom/in-line respond even private emails. As most of you may note I have a lot of personal info

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Top posting makes complicated scientific conversations with several interanal threads impossible. "Bottom" posting - which is really splitting the original email into parts (separated by blank lines for visual clarity) allows people to hold very complex discussions. The worst Top Posting case I

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* Akkana Peck [05-13-18 10:35]: > Brian Salter-Duke writes: > > My partner reads gmail on her phone or tablet. [ ... ] > > If I had bottom posting, she would never have read my message, thinking > > that some how she had got her email back again. > > If that's true, you're

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On 2018-05-13 09:22, Chris Green wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:44:49PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: The key, I've learned, is to teach them about bottom-posting. I have occassionally used bottom-posting with contacts without warning, and that has led to some confusion. I now try to

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On 2018-05-13 16:12, tech-lists wrote: basically, people quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow threaded mail, so very little need to quote whole screeds. My rule of thumb is usually, I quote as much text as is needed so that my reply makes sense without searching

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 05:49:54PM +0100, Ben Oliver wrote: > > The only exception is on those support emails where it says 'please post > your reply above this line' I just move the line (or copy what's below it to above it) so that I can reply in context as normal. -- Chris Green

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Am 13. Mai 2018 17:12:14 MESZ schrieb tech-lists : >No!! ;) and you're missing the point (IMOHO) :( basically, people >quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow >threaded mail, so very little need to quote whole screeds. IBTD. Major e-mail

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On 18-05-13 09:52:23, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: Posting to this list yesterday and a recent incident with my partner, prompts me to raise the issue of bottom posting. For a long time, mutters have fought battles and wars to get everybody to bottom post. It makes a lot of sense, but we have lost

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:52:23AM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > Posting to this list yesterday and a recent incident with my partner, > prompts me to raise the issue of bottom posting. For a long time, mutters > have fought battles and wars to get everybody to bottom post. It makes a lot > of

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On 13/05/2018 00:52, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: The use of phones for email alters the game. It is time we gave up bottom posting! No!! ;) and you're missing the point (IMOHO) :( basically, people quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow threaded mail, so very

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Brian Salter-Duke writes: > My partner reads gmail on her phone or tablet. [ ... ] > If I had bottom posting, she would never have read my message, thinking > that some how she had got her email back again. If that's true, you're not trimming enough. The idea isn't to quote the other person's

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On 2018-05-13 05:46, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Has mutt got something that can be added to a .muttrc file which > positions the cursor in a reply automatically for bottom posting? > With bottom posting what has me concerned is did I hit the downarrow > key enough to get to the correct position for

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Christian Brabandt wrote: Stefan Hagen wrote: HTML is not allowed on this list, so here is the HTML part for this mail: https://shell.srv.hagen.coffee/~sdk/textmail.html Do you generate this somehow? Of course I do. My mutt configuration is here:

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On Sat, 12 May 2018, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 23:23:45 From: Ian Zimmerman <i...@very.loosely.org> Reply-To: mutt-users@mutt.org To: mutt-users@mutt.org Subject: Re: Bottom posting v top posting On 2018-05-13 09:52, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: Posting to this list yes

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On So, 13 Mai 2018, Stefan Hagen wrote: > HTML is not allowed on this list, so here is the HTML part for this mail: > https://shell.srv.hagen.coffee/~sdk/textmail.html Do you generate this somehow? regards, Christian -- One girl can be pretty -- but a dozen are only a chorus.

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For the current setup at this end here... an attitude of please feel free replying unconfined. A few, maybe more than a few contributors to a list and a few maybe more than a few subscribers reading contributors' writings would allow contributors the greatest possible freedom for posting style

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On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:44:49PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 03:23:45AM +, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > > I also bottom post with some of my best friends who _are_ gmail users, > > and they don't object. > > +1 > So do I with family and friends. > The key, I've

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 03:31:38PM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > We have had 20 years or so to educate people to bottom post. We have almost > entirely failed. Judging by the message you are replying to, we failed but we did not stop being smug prats.

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:52:23AM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > For a long time, mutters have fought battles and wars to get everybody > to bottom post. It makes a lot of sense, but we have lost every battle > and every war. In a work related environment, top-posting is more common and even

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On 13.05.18 15:31, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 03:03:55PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 13.05.18 09:52, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > > > It is time we gave up bottom posting! ... > Eric, I tried to email you direct, but you do not allow that, so I will have > to >

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Brian Salter-Duke wrote: Erik Christiansen wrote: Salter-Duke wrote: My partner reads gmail on her phone or tablet. She reads my messages but does not realise that if she scrolls down she can see her message that I replying to. If I had bottom posting, she would never have read my message,

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On 13.05.18 09:52, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > My partner reads gmail on her phone or tablet. She reads my messages but does > not realise that if she scrolls down she can see her message that I replying > to. If I had bottom posting, she would never have read my message, thinking > that some how

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 03:23:45AM +, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > I also bottom post with some of my best friends who _are_ gmail users, > and they don't object. +1 The key, I've learned, is to teach them about bottom-posting. I have occassionally used bottom-posting with contacts without

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On 2018-05-13 09:52, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > Posting to this list yesterday and a recent incident with my partner, > prompts me to raise the issue of bottom posting. For a long time, > mutters have fought battles and wars to get everybody to bottom > post. It makes a lot of sense, but we have

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:52:23AM +1000, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > It is time we gave up bottom posting! Just... nope. -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in