Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-14 Thread Angel M Alganza
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 09:43:30AM +0300, Oleg A. Mamontov wrote: I think what you suggest -- an manual 'msmtp-queue -r' as needed -- is more than ample for my use case. For that matter, in most instances I don't even mind waiting until I send another email which will achieve the same

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-14 Thread Oleg A. Mamontov
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 06:39:10PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: On 21/02/14 10:25AM, Angel M Alganza wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 01:10:41AM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: On 21/02/13 08:03PM, Sam Kuper wrote: A queue script is included with msmtp, so you can have the best of both worlds :)

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-14 Thread Angel M Alganza
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 06:39:10PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: msmtp-queue -r -- runs (flushes) all the contents of the queue Try running 'msmtp-queue -r' at your shell. It should trigger sending. Adding 'msmtp-queue -r' as a cron job should do it automatically. So it sounds like I wasn't

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-14 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/14 10:25AM, Angel M Alganza wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 01:10:41AM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: On 21/02/13 08:03PM, Sam Kuper wrote: A queue script is included with msmtp, so you can have the best of both worlds :)

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-14 Thread Sam Kuper
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 10:25:21AM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: > msmtp-queue -r -- runs (flushes) all the contents of the queue > > Try running 'msmtp-queue -r' at your shell. It should trigger sending. > > Adding 'msmtp-queue -r' as a cron job should do it automatically. Exactly. If you

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-14 Thread Angel M Alganza
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 01:10:41AM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: On 21/02/13 08:03PM, Sam Kuper wrote: A queue script is included with msmtp, so you can have the best of both worlds :) https://git.marlam.de/gitweb/?p=msmtp.git;a=blob_plain;f=scripts/msmtpq/README.msmtpq;hb=HEAD Is there an

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/13 08:03PM, Sam Kuper wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 01:30:04PM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: I did the same myself for years and also switched to ssmtp. But I belive ssmtp was discontinued, and now I'm using msmtp: https://marlam.de/msmtp/ I couldn't be happier! A queue

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Sam Kuper
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 02:43:32AM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: >On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 02:35:38AM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: >>On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 08:03:49PM +, Sam Kuper wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 01:30:04PM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Angel M Alganza
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 02:35:38AM +0100, myself wrote: And I am, since I'm sending this through the msmtp queue. Yay! I'm replying to myself to add: send is super-fast now, instant actually, from Mutt! I love it! Cheers, Ángel

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/14 10:52AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 12Feb2021 23:20, boB Stepp wrote: something I like working with notmuch. I wish I could use notmuch's tagging capabilities from within Mutt in the sense of adding multiple tags to a single email or a set of tagged emails. But the only example

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Angel M Alganza
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 08:03:49PM +, Sam Kuper wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 01:30:04PM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: I couldn't be happier! A queue script is included with msmtp, so you can have the best of both worlds :) You proved me wrong: I could be happier! And I am, since

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/13 08:03PM, Sam Kuper wrote: A queue script is included with msmtp, so you can have the best of both worlds :) https://git.marlam.de/gitweb/?p=msmtp.git;a=blob_plain;f=scripts/msmtpq/README.msmtpq;hb=HEAD Thanks for this link! -- Wishing you only the best, boB Stepp

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Sam Kuper
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 11:00:45AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 13Feb2021 20:03, Sam Kuper wrote: >> A queue script is included with msmtp, so you can have the best of >> both worlds :) >> >> https://git.marlam.de/gitweb/?p=msmtp.git;a=blob_plain;f=scripts/msmtpq/README.msmtpq;hb=HEAD > >

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 13Feb2021 20:03, Sam Kuper wrote: >On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 01:30:04PM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 04:34:47PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> I maintained a local queueing MTA for many years, but after multiple >>> screwups where mail wasn't getting sent (and I

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 12Feb2021 23:25, boB Stepp wrote: >On 21/02/13 08:01AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: >>I pull everything from my c...@cskk.id.au inbox, deleting it. But my >>mail >>filing forwards a suite of messages to a separate account which is for >>my phone. So anything important sends a copy back out to the

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 12Feb2021 23:20, boB Stepp wrote: >>Then tag messages in you inbox and ";s+folder" to move them in >>batches. >>Here I mean mutt's (t)ag keystroke, an in memory flag. Emphemeral, used >>entirely to do mutt things to an ad hoc batch of messages. > >Yeah, I just was playing around with this

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 12Feb2021 23:20, boB Stepp wrote: >Yeah, I think you have. I have kept those earlier emails from you >nicely >flagged in my inbox for reference. Currently I am trying to see if I can get >something I like working with notmuch. I wish I could use notmuch's tagging >capabilities from within

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 12Feb2021 22:53, boB Stepp wrote: >On 21/02/13 08:11AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: >>I would guess your PC does not have a mail system installed. So cron >>cannot deliver the cron job output by email. > >I was aware that a cron job could email its output, but I thought I would have >to explicitly

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-13 Thread Sam Kuper
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 01:30:04PM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 04:34:47PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I maintained a local queueing MTA for many years, but after multiple >> screwups where mail wasn't getting sent (and I didn't find out in a >> timely manner) I

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/13 08:01AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 01Feb2021 03:32, ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote: 12021/00/30 09:27.95 ನಲ್ಲಿ, boB Stepp ಬರೆದರು: 2) I would like to remove all email storage from the cloud, that is, whether Gmail or ProtonMail, once I have my mail on my local PC I want to delete it from

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/13 07:56AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 31Jan2021 21:16, boB Stepp wrote: 1) I eventually want to migrate all of my Gmail to ProtonMail. I will probably never entirely get rid of Gmail. For one thing it makes a good honey pot for when I must supply an email, but do not want to give

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/13 08:11AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 08Feb2021 14:43, boB Stepp wrote: So I changed the command to: mbsync -a -qq and everything has been working. I was curious as to what would happen at 3 AM when my router would reboot. I got: Feb 8 03:00:01 Dream-Machine1 CRON[614314]: (bob)

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:20:09PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 05:09:36PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > >> >>> as I would have to be monitoring the logs to make sure the e-mail > >> >>> was

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On 01Feb2021 16:03, ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote: > sending emails might well be time-sensitive, and I _need_ to know > that it went through (or get immediate feedback if it fails). So let's be clear: If you have time-sensitive communications that need to be delivered immediately, reliably, you should

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 05:09:36PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: >> >>> as I would have to be monitoring the logs to make sure the e-mail >> >>> was actually sent. >> >> >> >> You do (or you need to make sure that you

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 01Feb2021 16:03, ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote: >I tend to think similarly. It's okay if receiving emails is a bit >delayed or runs into problems, but sending emails might well be >time-sensitive, and I _need_ to know that it went through (or get >immediate feedback if it fails). If it didn't leave

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 08Feb2021 14:43, boB Stepp wrote: >So I changed the command to: > >mbsync -a -qq > >and everything has been working. I was curious as to what would happen at >3 AM when my router would reboot. I got: > >Feb 8 03:00:01 Dream-Machine1 CRON[614314]: (bob) CMD (mbsync -a -qq ) >Feb 8 03:00:24

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 01Feb2021 03:32, ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote: >12021/00/30 09:27.95 ನಲ್ಲಿ, boB Stepp ಬರೆದರು: >> 2) I would like to remove all email storage from the cloud, that is, >> whether Gmail or ProtonMail, once I have my mail on my local PC I want to >> delete it from those accounts. What would be the best

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 31Jan2021 21:16, boB Stepp wrote: >1) I eventually want to migrate all of my Gmail to ProtonMail. I will >probably never entirely get rid of Gmail. For one thing it makes a good >honey pot for when I must supply an email, but do not want to give out my >preferred email. Might I suggest

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 05:09:36PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > >>> as I would have to be monitoring the logs to make sure the e-mail > >>> was actually sent. > >> > >> You do (or you need to make sure that you receive bounce/retry/failure > >> notices

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-02-12, Derek Martin wrote: > >>> as I would have to be monitoring the logs to make sure the e-mail >>> was actually sent. >> >> You do (or you need to make sure that you receive bounce/retry/failure >> notices properly). > > You don't... every major MTA has a tool for monitoring the

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 04:34:47PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2021-02-01, José María Mateos wrote: > > I was thinking about this. I have offlineimap running, so I have a > > local copy of all my mail, but the SMTP connection still goes > > through my mail provider, not locally. While I can

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/12 01:40PM, Angel M Alganza wrote: On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 02:43:48PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: killall mbsync &>/dev/null; /usr/bin/mbsync -a -qq Maybe it's an stupid idea, but perhaps mbsync is starting to run so fast that the killall kills it? You could try replacing the semicolon

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Angel M Alganza
On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 06:51:33AM -0500, David J. Weller-Fahy wrote: * * * * * flock -nx ~/.mbsync-lock-fast mbsync google-fast-cycle */5 * * * * flock -nx ~/.mbsync-lock-medium mbsync google-medium-cycle */15 * * * * flock -nx ~/.mbsync-lock-slow mbsync google-slow-cycle I do the same, but

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Angel M Alganza
On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 02:43:48PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: killall mbsync &>/dev/null; /usr/bin/mbsync -a -qq Maybe it's an stupid idea, but perhaps mbsync is starting to run so fast that the killall kills it? You could try replacing the semicolon wich a couple of ampersand signs to make

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-12 Thread Angel M Alganza
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 04:34:47PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: I maintained a local queueing MTA for many years, but after multiple screwups where mail wasn't getting sent (and I didn't find out in a timely manner) I switched to a non-queueing MTA (e.g. ssmtp) and later to mutt's SMTP support.

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-11 Thread boB Stepp
On 21/02/11 06:51AM, David J. Weller-Fahy wrote: I recently revamped my mbsync crontab jobs, and now have three separate jobs (fast, medium, and slow). I used an article about converting from offlineimap to mbsync [1] as inspiration. [1]:

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-11 Thread David J. Weller-Fahy
* boB Stepp [2021-02-08 15:44 -0500]: ... I have setup a crontab job (My first ever!) to run mbsync every five minutes. Mutt checks the local mail much more frequently. Probably should make this a similar time interval to the crontab interval. I was concerned that if there were to be a

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-10 Thread Sam Kuper
On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 02:43:48PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: > Today's task is to understand and install/configure "notmuch" to > search through this locally stored mail. Notmuch is quite nice in some ways, but (as Dan Bernstein kindly pointed out to me a couple of years ago), it probably isn't

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-08 Thread boB Stepp
I thought I would update folks on what I have done and solicit feedback as indicated. On 21/01/31 09:16PM, boB Stepp wrote: 1) I eventually want to migrate all of my Gmail to ProtonMail. I will probably never entirely get rid of Gmail... Based on previous advice here I am in the process of

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-07 Thread Richard Z
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 10:04:50PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote: > 1) Mutt erratically loses connection with Gmail and I have to > manually reconnect. Sometimes this happens rather frequently as in > multiple instances within an hour. I am confident it is not my > Internet connection, which is

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-01 Thread José María Mateos
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 04:34:47PM -, Grant Edwards wrote: If you set up your local MTA properly, yes. However, that's not trivial. I maintained a local queueing MTA for many years, but after multiple screwups where mail wasn't getting sent (and I didn't find out in a timely manner) I

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2021-02-01, José María Mateos wrote: > I was thinking about this. I have offlineimap running, so I have a > local copy of all my mail, but the SMTP connection still goes > through my mail provider, not locally. While I can appreciate the > increase in speed that a local rely can offer, I

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-01 Thread ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್
12021/00/31 04:49.41 ನಲ್ಲಿ, José María Mateos ಬರೆದರು: > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 06:32:41AM -0800, Andrew Marks wrote: > >Primarily speed, not waiting for mutt to establish an SMTP connection > >and authenticate to a remote MTA. The mail is sent to the local MTA > >instantly, and the local MTA

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-01 Thread José María Mateos
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 06:32:41AM -0800, Andrew Marks wrote: Primarily speed, not waiting for mutt to establish an SMTP connection and authenticate to a remote MTA. The mail is sent to the local MTA instantly, and the local MTA is working to relay the mail appropriately while I continue working

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-01 Thread Chinmaya Nagpal
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 06:32:41AM -0800, Andrew Marks wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 09:06:23AM +0100, Claus Assmann wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, Chinmaya Nagpal wrote: > > > > > I have a similar setup as yours, except I use the built-in SMTP. What > > > advantages are there to using an

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-02-01 Thread Andrew Marks
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 09:06:23AM +0100, Claus Assmann wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, Chinmaya Nagpal wrote: > > > I have a similar setup as yours, except I use the built-in SMTP. What > > advantages are there to using an external sendmail program? Primarily speed, not waiting for mutt to

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-31 Thread ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್
12021/00/30 09:27.95 ನಲ್ಲಿ, boB Stepp ಬರೆದರು: *snip* > > 1) I eventually want to migrate all of my Gmail to ProtonMail. I will > probably never entirely get rid of Gmail. For one thing it makes a good > honey pot for when I must supply an email, but do not want to give out my > preferred

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-31 Thread boB Stepp
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 07:44:52AM -0800, Andrew Marks wrote: 1) Mutt erratically loses connection with Gmail and I have to manually reconnect. Sometimes this happens rather frequently as in multiple instances within an hour. I am confident it is not my Internet connection, which is normally

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-31 Thread Claus Assmann
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, Chinmaya Nagpal wrote: > I have a similar setup as yours, except I use the built-in SMTP. What > advantages are there to using an external sendmail program? Queueing.

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-31 Thread Chinmaya Nagpal
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 07:44:52AM -0800, Andrew Marks wrote: > I'd recommend using an separate IMAP-maildir sync tool like > isync/mbsync. (https://isync.sourceforge.io). Waiting for IMAP (and even > SMTP) operations in mutt is slow (not because of mutt, but because you > are waiting for network

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-30 Thread Andrew Marks
> 1) Mutt erratically loses connection with Gmail and I have to > manually reconnect. Sometimes this happens rather frequently as in > multiple instances within an hour. I am confident it is not my > Internet connection, which is normally quite stable and fast. For > instance my streaming

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-26 Thread boB Stepp
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 08:40:25PM -0800, Felix Finch wrote: On 20210124, boB Stepp wrote: 1) Mutt erratically loses connection with Gmail and I have to manually reconnect. Sometimes this happens rather frequently as in multiple instances within an hour. I am confident it is not my

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-25 Thread boB Stepp
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:46 PM ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್ wrote: > I wrote up a blog post a while back on dealing with multiple inboxes in Mutt > (in fact, I'm writing this from Mutt and sending it through ProtonMail, so it > *is* possible!): >

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-25 Thread Ulrich Lauther
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 09:07:29PM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 24Jan2021 22:04, boB Stepp wrote: > >5) I am able to view HTML emails via w3c, but I get weekly (and some > >daily) emails from news aggregation services like Pycoders Weekly, > >TLDR, etc., that have embedded links that never

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-25 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 24Jan2021 22:04, boB Stepp wrote: >5) I am able to view HTML emails via w3c, but I get weekly (and some >daily) emails from news aggregation services like Pycoders Weekly, >TLDR, etc., that have embedded links that never show up in the w3c >display. I'm using "lynx -stdin -dump"; you could

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-24 Thread ಚಿರಾಗ್ ನಟರಾಜ್
Hi boB, I wrote up a blog post a while back on dealing with multiple inboxes in Mutt (in fact, I'm writing this from Mutt and sending it through ProtonMail, so it *is* possible!): https://chiraag.me/blog/2019/08/21/managing-multiple-email-accounts-with-mutt-and-fetchmail/ My setup involves

Re: My experiences with Mutt to date: Suggestions for overcoming some issues

2021-01-24 Thread Felix Finch
On 20210124, boB Stepp wrote: 1) Mutt erratically loses connection with Gmail and I have to manually reconnect. Sometimes this happens rather frequently as in multiple instances within an hour. I am confident it is not my Internet connection, which is normally quite stable and fast. For