RE: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On Friday, 20 March, 2020 20:43, Mark Tinka wrote: >If we go down this path, who's to say which service provider will or >won't be "targeted" next at the whim of some command & control policy >maker? Is it a rabbit hole whose top-soil we want to uncover? Perhaps the "advertizing" and

Re: interesting troubleshooting

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:07 PM Job Snijders wrote: > Do we know which specific VPN technologies specifically are harder to > hash in a meaningful way for load balanacing purposes, than others? I would expect it to be true of any site to site VPN data flow. The whole idea is for the guy in the

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On 20/Mar/20 19:38, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > +100. > > In all the decades that I've been here (on the 'nets), the saddest change > I've seen is the lack of responsibility on the part of people who have, > by virtue of their positions, been given incredible power. This is the > time for those

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On 20/Mar/20 17:00, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Perhaps if more entities tried to be responsible instead of entitled, > the Internet wouldn't be as bad as it is? I half agree with your last sentence. More entities don't need to be entitled (which I don't think Netflix are, to be clear), but they

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On 20/Mar/20 16:15, Mike Hammett wrote: > It's one of those most important things that matters. > > The end user likely won't notice the difference between 4k and 720p. > They also aren't likely to notice the transition from one to the other. > > The person on the VPN, VoIP call, video

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

On 20/Mar/20 15:53, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: > > In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each > sortie one different paper.  The receiver of it (police) takes it in > his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me.  I do not have > gloves.  I wished the receiver

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On 20/Mar/20 15:52, Mike Hammett wrote: > Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services > that aren't as adaptable. I think that's case specific on the type of network you have built, and whether your feed your customers Netflix content with on on-site OCA or via an

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On 20/Mar/20 15:51, Mike Hammett wrote: > Why in the world would they do that? > > Maybe waive the fees for the higher services, but you're not entitled > to anything more than that. Users will pay for value. If users don't see value, they will respond accordingly. Mark.

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On 20/Mar/20 15:32, Blake Hudson wrote: > > > Across several eyeball networks I'm not seeing any noticeable increase > in peak (95%) demand between now and January. Since Netflix > automatically scales down data rates in the event of congestion, the > only thing I foresee forcing Netflix to

Re: interesting troubleshooting

What that large flow in a single LSP? Is this something that FAT lsp would fix? -Steve On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 5:33 PM Nimrod Levy wrote: > I just ran into an issue that I thought was worth sharing with the NANOG > community. With recently increased visibility on keeping the Internet >

Re: interesting troubleshooting

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 05:57:19PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: > You also need to watch out to ensure you’re not on some L2VPN type > product that bumps up against a barrier. I know it’s a stressful time > for many networks and systems people as traffic shifts. A few years ago we did a

Re: interesting troubleshooting

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:09 PM Saku Ytti wrote: > Hey Nimrod, > > > I was contacted by my NOC to investigate a LAG that was not distributing > traffic evenly among the members to the point where one member was > congested while the utilization on the LAG was reasonably low. Looking at > my

Re: interesting troubleshooting

Once upon a time, Nimrod Levy said: > With the increase in remote workers and VPN traffic that won't hash across > multiple paths, I thought this anecdote might help someone else track down > a problem that might not be so obvious. Last week I ran into an issue where traffic between my home and

It's not about the congestion, it's about the profit motive driving the industry

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:52 AM Mike Bolitho wrote: > >You're facing essentially the same issue as many in non-healthcare do ; > how to best talk to applications in Magic Cloud Land. Reaching the major > cloud providers does not require DIA ; they all have presences on the major > IXes, and

Re: interesting troubleshooting

Hey Nimrod, > I was contacted by my NOC to investigate a LAG that was not distributing > traffic evenly among the members to the point where one member was congested > while the utilization on the LAG was reasonably low. Looking at my netflow > data, I was able to confirm that this was caused

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

Rob, It is all fine. I did not want to say anything to enter part of a bunch of critique, sorry. I value the pointer to document. Being on VPN means to some times get useful info that others dont have, and other times it means to be denied useful info that others have.  But VPN is mandatory

Re: interesting troubleshooting

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Job Snijders wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 05:33:31PM -0400, Nimrod Levy wrote: >> With the increase in remote workers and VPN traffic that won't hash across >> multiple paths, I thought this anecdote might help someone else track down >> a problem that

Re: interesting troubleshooting

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 05:33:31PM -0400, Nimrod Levy wrote: > With the increase in remote workers and VPN traffic that won't hash across > multiple paths, I thought this anecdote might help someone else track down > a problem that might not be so obvious. Do we know which specific VPN

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 21:20, Alexandre Petrescu < alexandre.petre...@gmail.com> wrote: > 1. I did not understand why you call it "_Google_ and... Handbook" > For goodness sake I posted here looking for an AS15169 contact for a useful project that needs some of their help. What I seem to be

interesting troubleshooting

I just ran into an issue that I thought was worth sharing with the NANOG community. With recently increased visibility on keeping the Internet running smoothly, I thought that sharing this small experience could benefit everyone. I was contacted by my NOC to investigate a LAG that was not

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

1. I did not understand why you call it "_Google_ and... Handbook" Is Google part of this? I dont see it in the pages. 2. Now I realize it works ok to browse https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/home but only if I am not on mandatory organisation VPN (my employer). 3. That handbook shows

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

After trying to access it, I hit my company http gateway (I am on a VPN for my default route, company policy) who blocks it. I will get off the VPN to try to access the Coronavirus Tech Handbook on the Internet. Alex, LF/HF 2 Le 20/03/2020 à 22:04, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit : Thank you

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

Thank you very much for the confirmation. I will now access the http about the handbook and accept the exception in my browser. There is no offence and I thank you for your understanding. Yours, Alex, LF/HF 2 Le 20/03/2020 à 21:40, Eric Tykwinski a écrit : Alex, Rob, So I advised to run

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

it has "Places Tracking the Data" but needs "Places Tracking You" considering the javascript i had to enable in the scratch vm i spun up to read it, i suspect this would be on that list. randy

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

Alex, Rob, So I advised to run through Qualsys’s SSL Test: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=coronavirustechhandbook.com It’s pretty much fine, I did manually run though LibreSSL 2.6.5 with OSX 10.14.6

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020, 20:08 Alexandre Petrescu, wrote: > Rob, > > You told me in private a few moments ago that if I cant help with fixin an > AS-number issue critical to you, then I should drop from this thread. > I actually said "help reaching someone from AS15169" but, apart from that, yes

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

please stop writing me private emails, thank you, with due politeness and smiley :-) Alex, LF/HF 2 Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit : On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> wrote: CA==Certificate Authority the browser

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

Rob, You told me in private a few moments ago that if I cant help with fixin an AS-number issue critical to you, then I should drop from this thread. I think I will drop out from this email list altogether.  I wait a bit. Alex LF/HF 2 Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit : On

Re: COVID-19 vs. peering wars

I'm curious; would people say that fixing peering inefficiencies could have a bigger impact on service performance than asking that Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube, Hulu, and other video streaming services cut their bit rates down? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51968302

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

What is your browser vendor on your desktop? Alex, LF/HF 2 Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit : On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> wrote: CA==Certificate Authority the browser makes me questions before allowing me to

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

You are asking what root CA list I am using? I answer: I use firefox browser on Windows 10 latest version.  I dont know what root CA I use.  I have several root CAs in my browser's option.  Most of them came by default in firefow at install time.  A few I had to install  manually many months

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu < alexandre.petre...@gmail.com> wrote: > CA==Certificate Authority > > the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the content, > after I click the indicated URL > > LF/HF > > What root CA list are you using? I'm not at all involved

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

CA==Certificate Authority the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the content, after I click the indicated URL LF/HF Le 20/03/2020 à 19:08, Rob Pickering a écrit : CA? On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:07, Alexandre Petrescu mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> wrote: can

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

CA? On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:07, Alexandre Petrescu < alexandre.petre...@gmail.com> wrote: > can I trust its CA? > > > Alex, LF/HF 2 > > Le 20/03/2020 à 18:54, Rob Pickering a écrit : > > This: https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/home is a super useful resource > in my opinion. > > They are

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

can I trust its CA? Alex, LF/HF 2 Le 20/03/2020 à 18:54, Rob Pickering a écrit : This: https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/home is a super useful resource in my opinion. They are using Google Docs because it provides a really accessible way of doing content creation but hitting capacity

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Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

This: https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/home is a super useful resource in my opinion. They are using Google Docs because it provides a really accessible way of doing content creation but hitting capacity issues. Are there any Google contacts here who can get them talking to the right people

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:00:15AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > Because they're trying to be a responsible Internet citizen instead of just > telling everyone else to bugger off. > > > Perhaps if more entities tried to be responsible instead of entitled, the > Internet wouldn't be as bad as

RE: COVID-19 vs. peering wars

Every large ISP does this (or rather, doesn't) at every IX in Canada. Bell isn't unique by any stretch. It's not in their economic interest to peer at a local IX, because from their perspective, the IX takes away business (Managed L2 point-to-point circuits, at the very least) from them.

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

I have neither the time, nor the inclination to do so for people that are not likely to be persuaded to change their position. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Keith Medcalf" To:

RE: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On Friday, 20 March, 2020 07:52, Mike Hammett wrote: >Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services >that aren't as adaptable. Can you explain why you think that is Netflix problem? I should think that it is a problem being experienced by persons who deliberately

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

> > You will be changing your tune when your mother is sick and can't get the > care she needs because the system is overwhelmed because we (communities, > not just network operators) didn't do what was necessary because of some > idealistic hard line people drew in the sand. > The medical system

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

Have you heard of the Patriot Act? Tom is correct that this does set a precedent of suppressing freedom of speech (I realize this is not a right in the EU like it is in US). "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

> > "It is something that matters, because it has the potential to set a > dangerous precedent." > Can we stop with this talk... around everything? We're literally living through an unprecedented event right now. My 86 year old grandmother said she's never seen anything like this in the US. My

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

Because they're trying to be a responsible Internet citizen instead of just telling everyone else to bugger off. Perhaps if more entities tried to be responsible instead of entitled, the Internet wouldn't be as bad as it is? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

I think people can tell the difference just fine. But get lawyers involved on what the word 'emergency' means, then watch the fun. On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:47 AM Mel Beckman wrote: > > If you say "$Service should reduce their bit rates because this is an > emergency!" , I guarantee that

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

Citing 25M may be a bit of a stretch since A) 4k is reserved for ISPs with a local cache (last time I checked), B) many (most?) Netflix customers are not on 4k equipment, C) 4k requires a premium subscription to Netflix at additional cost that not all customers have, D) the customer must have

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

If you say "$Service should reduce their bit rates because this is an emergency!" , I guarantee that exact same argument will be made well after this crisis has passed with a different definition of "emergency", and adding on "well it's an emergency to me!" Well, that’s a silly argument. Do

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

It is something that matters, because it has the potential to set a dangerous precedent. If you say "$Service should reduce their bit rates because this is an emergency!" , I guarantee that exact same argument will be made well after this crisis has passed with a different definition of

Re: COVID-19 vs. peering wars

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020, at 10:31, Steve Mikulasik via NANOG wrote: > > In Canada the CRTC really needs to get on Canadian ISPs about peering > very liberally at IXs in each province. I know of one major institution > right now that would have a major work from home issue resolved if one > big

RE: COVID-19 vs. peering wars

In Canada the CRTC really needs to get on Canadian ISPs about peering very liberally at IXs in each province. I know of one major institution right now that would have a major work from home issue resolved if one big ISP would peer with one big tier 1 in the IX they are both located at in the

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

It's one of those most important things that matters. The end user likely won't notice the difference between 4k and 720p. They also aren't likely to notice the transition from one to the other. The person on the VPN, VoIP call, video conference, video game, etc. will very much notice the

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

Yes, but does that matter? If there's extra capacity on the link, Netflix runs at full rate. If there is not extra capacity Netflix rates down to prevent congestion. While streaming video (including Netflix) uses a lot of bandwidth, I don't see Netflix causing congestion. It gets a bad wrap,

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

LF/HF Le 20/03/2020 à 13:48, Ryland Kremeier a écrit : This really depends on particulate size. A mask may only save you from touching your face. You are much better off just washing your hands constantly and keeping your distance as much as possible from others. Remove, wash your clothes,

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services that aren't as adaptable. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Blake Hudson" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, March

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

Why in the world would they do that? Maybe waive the fees for the higher services, but you're not entitled to anything more than that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Keith Medcalf"

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On 3/19/2020 12:22 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 19/Mar/20 18:07, Matt Hoppes wrote: Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the next month or two. Well, the article claims "Drop stream quality from HD". That means 4K, 1080p and 720p. If you have an OCA on your network,

RE: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

This really depends on particulate size. A mask may only save you from touching your face. You are much better off just washing your hands constantly and keeping your distance as much as possible from others. Remove, wash your clothes, and shower immediately when you get home. Use hand

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

I hope they give them masks, and ideally total body coverage, one time use, like One Time Passwords. I really hope it. Lots of key workers here without masks. I dont know whether you know the joke about going to war without weapons.  We did kid about Russians doing that in WWII, and about

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

On 20/Mar/20 09:19, Mel Beckman wrote: > I don’t think Netflix has any quality guarantees. So you’re SOL if you think > there is some kind of legal recourse. I’d argue that 50% pay for 50% quality > is illogical anyway. HD is 25% the quality of 4K. Yet you get virtually all > of the value

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

I don’t think Netflix has any quality guarantees. So you’re SOL if you think there is some kind of legal recourse. I’d argue that 50% pay for 50% quality is illogical anyway. HD is 25% the quality of 4K. Yet you get virtually all of the value of the content, with only a sight reduction in

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

UK gov notification of key worker status inc Telecommunication/Data Centre workers https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision