Amazon peering peeps on the list?

Anyone on the list from Amazon peering? Have sent multiple emails to peer...@amazon.com over the past couple of weeks with no reply. Any help would be appreciated. Thank You, Mike -- Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon

Re: BCP 38 addendum

Hey, > This is exactly my idea : why should I allowed uRPF passing traffic from > routes not learned on this port ?? Why if I have Cogent + Level3 and I > denied ^3356_174 and ^174_3356 AS pathes for logical reasons, I should get > spoofed traffic from Level3 ranges over Cogent peering port ?

RE: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Well the Westin POP and Netrality POPs model is the best in my opinion. You take your bundle to one central location and do the x-connects there. No need to pull single cables in the trays -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent:

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

On 3/7/18 11:35 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: Because it's a capital outlay up front, instead of a build-as-you-need-it with the capital investment spread over time. There's no cost if the customer is charged for it when they need it.

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

On 03/07/2018 10:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work being done. Because it's a capital

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Perhaps so, but if it's not charged at the end it would just be built into the MRC. Longer-term customers would end up paying substantially more. In some cases, it is more cost effective to install an entrance facility as you describe, but it's much more expensive than running individual x-conns

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work being done. I have seen this in one facility. They just run 24 strand or whatever

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Sure, but that's just a cost of doing business. There's not a line-item for cleaning the bathroom. Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

On 3/7/18 10:02 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: Ohh no NRC. Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off) You mean you're not supposed to let cables pile up indefinitely until they become an immovable tangled mass?

RE: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Ohh no NRC. Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off) -Original Message- From: Mel Beckman [mailto:m...@beckman.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:56 AM To: Romeo Czumbil Cc: James Laszko ; nanog

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Those days are alive and well. And of course, it hasn't improved any. On 03/07/2018 12:25 PM, chris wrote: reminds me of the days when you were forced to colo gear in the phone company's CO to get access to their cable plant and got gouged on power and the interconnection between the CO and

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

reminds me of the days when you were forced to colo gear in the phone company's CO to get access to their cable plant and got gouged on power and the interconnection between the CO and then you had to buy your upstream connectivity from the ILEC a insane markup or for ptp to your closest pop :)

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

In a previous life when I was on the other side of writing contracts and my boss demanded auto-renewals, I always told my customers to write me a cancellation letter when they signed the contract. The amazing thing was how few actually did it. On Mar 7, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Mel Beckman

RE: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

NRC = non-recurring fee - the setup fee. They are charging setup fee and monthly fees to run a piece of ethernet. The xcon fee monthly is 25% of the price of the ethernet service we're getting from the telco James -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org]

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

I'm sure he means what he says. The cost to remove the cross connect when you're done with it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mel Beckman" To: "Romeo Czumbil"

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

There are a couple reasons. You order service from me.  It costs me $X to build out that service.  I balance that against the value of your contract.  If you cancel early then my numbers may not work or I may lose money on the deal, or if I had to borrow money to do your build, then my

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Or the services you can only cancel once a year, may not give early notice of cancellation, and if you miss the window, you're on the hook another year. Any contract we do with our customers is always MCP - Minimum Contract Period with automatic month to month renewals at the end - unless

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all

RE: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM To: nanog Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing One of our colo’s

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Depending on the location (x-conns carrier hotels are typically more expensive) I'd expect to pay anywhere from $100-$200 per month for copper. -Matt On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, James Laszko wrote: > One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I

Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

Too much, whatever it is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "James Laszko" To: "nanog" Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:10:45 AM Subject: Zayo

Re: BCP 38 addendum

Hey, How would this work? ISP1--ISP2---ISP3 || +---ISP4-+ In case poor rendering ISP1 connects to ISP2, ISP4 and ISP3 connects to ISP2, ISP4 - ISP3 receives ISP1 prefixes via ISP[24] - ISP3 advertises its prefix out via ISP4 ISP1 will receive traffic from ISP3

Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience

Re: BCP 38 addendum

Le 2018-03-06 19:39, Barry Greene a écrit : >> On Mar 2, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Fabien VINCENT (NaNOG) >> wrote: >> Hope one day the 3rd mode of uRPF will be something else than a plan ... >> uRPF is not very usefull when multi homed. And as far as I know, multi >> homed