Re: Common operational misconceptions

2012-02-15 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/15/12 21:04 , Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D. wrote: > How widespread would you say the use of IS-IS is? > > Even more as to which routing protocols are used, not just in ISPs, what > percent would you give to the various ones. In other words X percent of > organizations use OSPS, Y percent use EIGRP,

Re: Wireless Recommendations

2012-02-15 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/15/12 20:14 , Mario Eirea wrote: > This is my guess too, i guess there is some bleed over from their antenna > arrays. Even the most directional sector antenna in the world has a back lobe... and there there's the clients... there's no magic bullet you simply can't do it all in one ap with

Re: Dear RIPE: Please don't encourage phishing

2012-02-11 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/11/12 19:34 , Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > yes, domain names that cannot be typed in with any keyboard/charset on > any computer out there, excellent idea, devide and conquerer, i wonder > who came up with that idiotic plan again, probably the ITU or one of > their infiltrants in icann. If it'

Re: IPv6 explicit BGP group configs

2012-02-08 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/8/12 08:59 , keith tokash wrote: > > Hi, I've done it either way, I prefer to put the v6 peers in a different group than the v4 peers so that I can group the policies at the group rather than neighbor level. > I'm prepping an environment for v6 and I'm wondering what, if > any, benefit th

Re: Optimal IPv6 router

2012-02-06 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/6/12 06:48 , Glen Kent wrote: > One example that comes to my mind is that a few existing routers > cant do line rate routing for IPv6 traffic as long as the netmask is > < 65. I'm sorry that's bs. It's trivial to partition a cam in order to do /128s in a single lookup. that's actually the w

Re: Optimal IPv6 router

2012-02-05 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/5/12 17:20 , Glen Kent wrote: > Hi, > > Most routers today are basically IPv4 routers, with IPv6 thrown in. > They are however designed keeping IPv4 in mind. > > With IPv6 growing, if we were to design a native IPv6 router, with > IPv4 functionality thrown in, then is it possible to design a

Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked

2012-02-02 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/2/12 21:59 , Randy Bush wrote: >>> The suits won, and many nerds either threw in with them or revealed >>> their affinity for the easy life and gave up. Being principled and >>> turning away dirty money or exercising the "fire the customer" clause >>> tends to be disliked by corporate officers

Re: Wireless Recommendations

2012-01-31 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/30/12 12:46 , Jim Gonzalez wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a Wireless bridge or Router that will > support 600 wireless clients concurrently (mostly cell phones). I need it > for a proof of concept. an aruba controller and 8 dual radio aps. > > > > > Thanks in adva

Re: XBOX 720: possible digital download mass service.

2012-01-28 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/27/12 02:35 , Tei wrote: > Can internet in USA support that? Call of Duty 15 releases may 2014 > and 30 million gamers start downloading a 20 GB files. Would the > internet collapse like a house of cards?. Given the way the these things are staged, the pre-order/pre-load model works pretty

Re: XBOX 720: possible digital download mass service.

2012-01-28 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/27/12 06:13 , Eric Tykwinski wrote: > The PS Vita still uses a proprietary memory card format, so it's not just > download only. > The best example of download only would be OnLive, which basically is a game > system that only delivers on demand games. Onlive isn't download at all. the games

Re: 10GE TOR port buffers (was Re: 10G switch recommendaton)

2012-01-27 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/27/12 15:40 , bas wrote: > Hi All, > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: >> On 1/27/12 14:53 , bas wrote: >>> While I agree _again_! >>> >>> It does not explain why TOR boxes have little buffers and chassis box >>>

Re: 10GE TOR port buffers (was Re: 10G switch recommendaton)

2012-01-27 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/27/12 15:01 , George Bonser wrote: > > >> -Original Message- From: bas Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 >> 2:54 PM To: George Bonser Subject: Re: 10GE TOR port buffers (was >> Re: 10G switch recommendaton) >> >> While I agree _again_! >> >> It does not explain why TOR boxes have

Re: 10GE TOR port buffers (was Re: 10G switch recommendaton)

2012-01-27 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/27/12 14:53 , bas wrote: > While I agree _again_! > > It does not explain why TOR boxes have little buffers and chassis box > have many. you need purportionally more buffer when you need to drain 16 x 10 gig into 4 x 10Gig then when you're trying to drain 10Gb/s into 2 x 1Gb/s there

Re: MD5?

2012-01-27 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/27/12 12:35 , Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> >>> lots of folks still use it yes. is it helpful? maybe? maybe not? is >>> this peering over a shared media (like a 10base-T hub). >>> >>> You migh

Re: LX sfp minimum range

2012-01-26 Thread Joel jaeggli
vendors that specify a minimum distance for lx typically spec 2 meters. even EX shouldn't spike the receiver at that distance as long as the max RX is about +1. On 1/25/12 11:26 , jon Heise wrote: > we are moving a router between 2 data centers and we only have LX sfp's for > connection, is ther

Re: Megaupload.com seized

2012-01-21 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/21/12 11:38 , George Bonser wrote: >> Not that I would not be a bit miffed if personal files disappeared, >> but that's one of the risks associated with using a cloud service >> for file storage. It could have been a fire, a virus erasing file, >> bankruptcy, malicious insider damage... Does

Re: World IPv6 Launch Day - June 6, 2012

2012-01-18 Thread Joel Jaeggli
By the same token, The mobile broadband network is not some also-ran adjunct to the residential broadband service. On Jan 18, 2012, at 16:45, "Justin M. Streiner" wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jan 2012, Joel jaeggli wrote: > >> On 1/18/12 15:56 , Justin M. Streiner wrote: &

Re: World IPv6 Launch Day - June 6, 2012

2012-01-18 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/18/12 15:56 , Justin M. Streiner wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jan 2012, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> My question is when is FiOS going to get v6 natively? could we get the >> engineers there to actually do something as opposed to trials of >> non-production systems that'll never actually get deploye

Re: DNS Attacks

2012-01-18 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/17/12 23:45 , Leigh Porter wrote: > > > On 18 Jan 2012, at 05:06, "toor" wrote: > >> Hi list, >> >> I am wondering if anyone else has seen a large amount of DNS >> queries coming from various IP ranges in China. I have been trying >> to find a pattern in the attacks but so far I have come

Re: enterprise 802.11

2012-01-16 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/15/12 11:30 , Ken King wrote: > I need to choose a wireless solution for a new office. > > up to 600 devices will connect. most devices are mac books and mobile phones. > > we can see hundreds of access points in close proximity to our new office > space. > > what are the thoughts these d

Re: accessing multiple devices via a script

2012-01-15 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/15/12 09:56 , Phil Regnauld wrote: > Abdullah Al-Malki (a.almalki1402) writes: >> Hi fellows, >> I am supporting a big service provider and sometimes I face this problem. >> Sometimes I want to access my customer network and want to extract some >> verification output "show commands" from a la

Re: VPC=S/MLT?

2012-01-13 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/13/12 11:19 , -Hammer- wrote: > OK, So I'm doing a lot of reading lately on Nexus as we are about to get > into the 7k/5k game and of course a lot of the marketing revolves around > VPC. Every time I see it referenced, I keep remembering a reasonably > reliable Nortel implementation called Spl

BOF at NANOG 54 - IPV4 runout, doing more with less.

2012-01-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
Greetings, The BOF topic that I proposed during the recent thread: Re: Sad IPv4 story? Got approved, I'm still looking for 1-2 additional speakers to round out the agenda. To recap: * IPV4 run-out means new entrants will from the outset deploy techniques the present operators consider undes

Re: QinQ switch or similar

2012-01-08 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/6/12 12:31 , Bonald wrote: > Hi, > We need to purchase some switch that support 1gbit QinQ. > Any suggestions ? We need to connect 9 schools together in layer2. > All 9 schools have 1gb link from our provider, provider gaves us 5 vlan to > work with. > We have around 35 vlan in-house. > > We

Re: subnet prefix length > 64 breaks IPv6?

2012-01-04 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/28/11 07:30 , Ryan Malayter wrote: > Except nowhere in there is the prefix length for the test indicated, > and the exact halving of forwarding rate for IPv6 leads one to believe > that there are two TCAM lookups for IPv6 (hence 64-bit prefix lookups) > versus one for IPv4. A cam (assuming

Re: Misconceptions, was: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/30/11 08:47 , Kevin Loch wrote: > It is very common to have different "routers" (routers, firewalls or > load balancers) on the same vlan with different functions in hosting > environments. It is also sometimes necessary to have multiple default > gateways on the same vlan for load balancin

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-24 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/24/11 15:33 , Masataka Ohta wrote: > Karl Auer wrote: > >>> Not necessarily. You can use ARP and DHCPv6 and you don't have >>> to waste time and power for DAD. > >> IPv6 does not do ARP, it does ND. > > First of all, ND use is optional and, if ND is used, RA > must be used. > > It means t

Re: Speed Test Results

2011-12-23 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/23/11 11:16 , Joel Maslak wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:18 AM, jacob miller wrote: > >> Am having a debate on the results of speed tests sites. >> >> Am interested in knowing the thoughts of different individuals in regards to >> this. > > It's one data point of many. > > Depending

Re: Wireless/Free Space Enterprise ISP in Palo Alto

2011-12-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
I haven't done wireless in downtown palo alto, only metro-e however. Given your proximity to 345 hamilton (under 1000 feet most likely) I would think at&t would be in a position to offer fairly high-rate dsl, On 12/16/11 10:24 , Darren Bolding wrote: > Apologies if this is not the most appropriat

Re: local_preference for transit traffic?

2011-12-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/17/11 00:14 , Mark Tinka wrote: > On Friday, December 16, 2011 05:02:33 AM Joe Malcolm wrote: > >> Once upon a time, UUNET did the opposite by setting >> origin to unknown for peer routes, in an attempt to >> prefer customer routes over peer routes. We moved to >> local preference shortly th

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/15/11 14:12 , Jeff Wheeler wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Joel jaeggli wrote: >> We know rather alot about the original posters' business, it has ~34 >> million wireless subscribers in north america. I think it's safe to >> assume that adequate d

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-15 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/15/11 13:43 , Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:36:32PM -0800, David Conrad > wrote: >> ARIN's job (well, beyond the world travel, publishing comic books, handing >> out raffle prizes, etc.) is to allocate and register addresses according to >> community

Re: De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

2011-12-14 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/14/11 18:46 , Jimmy Hess wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: >> Fyi, I just was rejected from arin for an ipv4 allocation. I demonstrated I >> own ~100k ipv4 addresses today. >> My customers use over 10 million bogon / squat space ip addresses today, >> and I have

Re: Sad IPv4 story?

2011-12-12 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/12/11 02:05 , Leigh Porter wrote: >> -Original Message- From: Vitkovsky, Adam >> [mailto:avitkov...@emea.att.com] Sent: 12 December 2011 09:19 To: >> Eric Parsonage; valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: RE: Sad IPv4 story? >> >>> and models that doesn't take "we m

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Joel jaeggli
s to akamai and level3 >> Faisal >> >> On Dec 11, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> >>> Netflix uses CDNs for content delivery and the platform runs in EC2. What >>> would peering with them achieve? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Netflix uses CDNs for content delivery and the platform runs in EC2. What would peering with them achieve? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2011, at 18:06, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Which leads to a question to be asked... > > Is netflix willing to peer directly with ISP / NSP's ? > > Regards. >

Re: Sad IPv4 story?

2011-12-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/10/11 21:42 , Joel jaeggli wrote: > On 12/10/11 17:48 , Barry Shein wrote: >> >>>> I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific >>>> area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their >>>> business the way th

Re: Sad IPv4 story?

2011-12-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/10/11 17:48 , Barry Shein wrote: > >>> I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific >>> area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their >>> business the way they would like? > > This sniping elicited by the above seems inappropriate and > unprofessio

Re: Writable SNMP

2011-12-09 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/9/11 18:22 , Keegan Holley wrote: >> >> >>> assumption that writable SNMP was a bad idea but have never actually >> tried >>> it. I was curious what others were using, netconf or just scripted >> logins. >>> I'm also fighting a losing battle to convince people that netconf isn't >>> evil. I

Re: 128.0.0.0/16 configured as martians in some routers

2011-12-06 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/6/11 00:50 , Florian Weimer wrote: > * Alex Le Heux: > >> The RIPE NCC is aware that 128.0.0.0/16 is configured as a martian by >> default in (some) Juniper OS, even though RFC 5735 and RFC3330 outline >> that this /16 should no longer be reserved as specialised address >> space. > > Would

Re: IPv6 prefixes longer then /64: are they possible in DOCSIS networks?

2011-11-29 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/29/11 09:30 , Owen DeLong wrote: > I believe those have been obsoleted, but, /64 remains the best choice, IMHO. operational practice has moved on. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6164 > Owen > > On Nov 29, 2011, at 9:00 AM, McCall, Gabriel wrote: > >> Note that /127 is strongly discouraged

Re: OT: Traffic Light Control (was Re: First real-world SCADA attack in US)

2011-11-25 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/25/11 12:02 , Jay Hennigan wrote: > On 11/25/11 11:34 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > >> Cars generically cause at lot more deaths than faulty traffic >> controllers 13.2 per 100,000 population in the US annually. > > The cars don't (often) cause them. The drivers d

Re: OT: Traffic Light Control (was Re: First real-world SCADA attack in US)

2011-11-25 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/22/11 08:16 , Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Owen DeLong" > >> As in all cases, additional flexibility results in additional ability >> to make mistakes. Simple mechanical lockouts do not scale to the >> modern world. The benefits of these additional capabiliti

Re: Dynamic (changing) IPv6 prefix delegation

2011-11-24 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/21/11 14:18 , Nathan Eisenberg wrote: >> Look at the number that are refusing to make generous prefix >> allocations >> to residential end users and limiting them to /56, /60, or even worse, >> /64. > > Owen, > > What does Joe Sixpack do at home with a /48 that he cannot do with a /56 or a

Re: Query : seeking a (low cost & secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages

2011-11-19 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/19/11 01:35 , Fearghas McKay wrote: > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 12:58, A. Chase Turner wrote: > >> I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub >> (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send >> heartbeat (and simple quality of serv

Re: Arguing against using public IP space

2011-11-13 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/14/11 10:24 , Joe Greco wrote: >> Sure, anytime there's an attack or failure on a SCADA network that >> wouldn't have occurred had it been air-gapped, it's easy for people to >> knee-jerk a "SCADA networks should be airgapped" response. But that's >> not really intelligent commentary unless

Re: General Internet Instability

2011-11-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/7/11 08:37 , Jared Mauch wrote: > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Richard Golodner wrote: > >> On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 11:09 -0500, Todd Snyder wrote: >>> Can anyone point to any authoritative updates about this? >> >> I think Jared's suggestion was about as close as your going to get for

Re: IPv6 beta support for Android phones

2011-11-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
The cellular radios firmware doesn't support ipv6(on your iPhone)... Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Pete Carah wrote: > On 11/04/2011 06:04 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: >> FYI. >> >> T-Mobile USA now has opt-in beta support for an Android phone on IPv6, >> more info here https://s

Re: using IPv6 address block across multiple locations

2011-10-31 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/31/11 03:43 , Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2011-10-31 08:56 , Dmitry Cherkasov wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Please advice what is the best practice to use IPv6 address block >> across distributed locations. > > You go to multiple RIRs and get multiple prefixes. > > Heck, you apparently can even get

Re: using IPv6 address block across multiple locations

2011-10-31 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/31/11 05:59 , Owen DeLong wrote: > Ideally, you should put a /48 at each location. > > Owen > > On Oct 31, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Dmitry Cherkasov wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Please advice what is the best practice to use IPv6 address block >> across distributed locations. >> >> Recently we obtain

Re: Outgoing SMTP Servers

2011-10-27 Thread Joel jaeggli
Email as facility is a public good whether it constitutes a commons or not... If wasn't you wouldn't bother putting up a server that would accept unsolicited incoming connections on behalf of yourself and others, doing so is generically non-rival and non-excludable although not perfectly so in eith

Re: Mexico?

2011-10-27 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/27/11 20:24 , Ryan Finnesey wrote: > If I want to get a block of IP's issued for a network within Mexico who do I > talk with? I have been told arin does not cover Mexico. It was my > understand arin covers North America. mexico moved to the lacnic region with the formation of the lacnic r

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/12/11 07:47 , andrew.wallace wrote: > Guys the outage has moved to U.S and Canada, I think we need to look at this > perhaps being sabotage. > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20119163-266/blackberry-service-issues-spread-to-u.s-and-canada/ North American outages of the blackberry platf

Re: meeting network

2011-10-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/10/11 07:00 , Owen DeLong wrote: > It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically > discuss these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead > of time so that they have some remote chance of being prepared. The hotel IT department is the guy who runs the a

Re: meeting network

2011-10-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/10/11 21:25 , Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I don't think it is. I think that you can negotiate and I will point out >> that the hotel >> here has wanted our business enough that they have now scrambled to make >> life significantly bett

Re: new guest room SSID for NANOG

2011-10-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/10/11 17:12 , Randy Carpenter wrote: > > Very nice. I wonder if this is an option we could try to use in > future meetings. It makes sense, really, since we already have decent > connectivity for the conference areas, and we wouldn't be destroying > the hotel's outside connection (only their

Re: Botnets buying up IPv4 address space

2011-10-09 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/9/11 05:10 , Martin Millnert wrote: > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> IPv4 addresses will never run out in a strict sense of the word, it >> will just become increasingly more difficult to reassign IPv4 address >> space to those who need it. > > If you by difficult

Re: Botnets buying up IPv4 address space

2011-10-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/7/11 11:31 , Arturo Servin wrote: > > What do you mean with "purchasing or renting IPv4". > > Last time that I check it was not possible in the RIR world. If you're not a legitimate business why would you bother with commonly accepted policy? > If you mean "hijacking" un

Re: Telus mail server admin

2011-10-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/7/11 08:26 , Paul Graydon wrote: > On 10/6/2011 8:02 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> DISCLAIMER:... >> Wow. I was thinking about answering the question, but now I don't dare. >> >> Regards, >> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for >> Dummies", >> Please consider th

Re: DNSSEC in China

2011-10-05 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/5/11 10:05 , Michael Sinatra wrote: > The thread on f-root reminded my of an anecdotal datum regarding DNSSEC > in China. I was in China back in August, staying at the Green Lake > Hotel in Kunming, Yunnan Provence. When connecting to the hotel in-room > network (there was no wireless but a

Re: Facebook insecure by design

2011-10-02 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/2/11 15:43 , Joel jaeggli wrote: > On 10/2/11 15:25 , Jimmy Hess wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:53 PM, wrote: >>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 08:38:36 PDT, Michael Thomas said: >>>> I'm not sure why lack of TLS is considered to be problem with Facebook. >

Re: Facebook insecure by design

2011-10-02 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/2/11 15:25 , Jimmy Hess wrote: > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:53 PM, wrote: >> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 08:38:36 PDT, Michael Thomas said: >>> I'm not sure why lack of TLS is considered to be problem with Facebook. >>> The man in the middle is the other side of the connection, tls or otherwise. >> O

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 15:58 , Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/30/11 3:41 PM, Michael Painter wrote: >> Steven G. Huter wrote: >>> this August 2011 article in the Economist outlines some relevant info >>> about the prineville, oregon FB datacenter. >>> >>> http://www.economist.com/node/21525237 >>> >>> steve >> >>

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 15:19 , Steven G. Huter wrote: >>> I can't tell you the kind of servers, but I can say that I was >>> recently in Prineville, OR, where FB is building a data center (and a >>> second data center). I was used to the ol data centers - you know, >>> where there's raised floors, cabinets, co

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 14:59 , Jones, Barry wrote: > I can't tell you the kind of servers, but I can say that I was > recently in Prineville, OR, where FB is building a data center (and a > second data center). I was used to the ol data centers - you know, > where there's raised floors, cabinets, cool air, a g

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-29 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/29/11 17:46 , Robert Bonomi wrote: >> From: Nathan Eisenberg >> Subject: RE: Synology Disk DS211J >> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:58:23 + >> >>> And this is why the prudent home admin runs a firewall device he or she >>> can trust, and has a "default deny" rule in place even for outgoing >

Re: 4.0.0.0/8?

2011-09-20 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/20/11 10:22 , Hank Nussbacher wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > Newbie question: > > If I do: > route-views>sho ip bgp 4.0.0.0 > BGP routing table entry for 4.0.0.0/9, version 821994 > > why do I see the /9 and not the /8 by default? If I do a specific > lookup fo

Re: 4.0.0.0/8?

2011-09-20 Thread Joel jaeggli
routeviews says the /9s have been announced for a while the route object for 4.0.0.0/9 was last updated 20060203 On 9/20/11 10:13 , Hank Nussbacher wrote: > Did Level3 withdraw 4.0.0.0/8 today and start announcing it as two /9s? > > -Hank >

Re: Internet mauled by bears

2011-09-20 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/19/11 18:49 , Richard Barnes wrote: > And if they turn up the voltage on the fence high enough, dinner could be > cooked by the time the crew gets there! montana experience says: cows have rather thick skin, sheep come with insulation, and bison will go through anything that gets in their wa

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-19 Thread Joel jaeggli
given that as 729 maxes out at 800cpi there are probably slightly kinky ways to attack the problem, e.g. someone doing it with disk packs. http://chrisfenton.com/cray-1-digital-archeology/ there's still plenty of equipment that can wrap 1/2" tape around a spindle. On 9/19/11 21:14 , valdis.kletn

Re: Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/16/11 11:42 , Steve Bohrer wrote: > My general question is "what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes, > even when pings show no problem." > > Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a > traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems > indicate

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/16/11 13:50 , Nathan Eisenberg wrote: >>> As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You >>> have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another >>> provider. >> >> does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market >> entry? > > Yes. If you want PI sp

Re: ouch..

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/14/11 14:24 , Don Gould wrote: > * Did you know that Cisco has a 100Gb solution? need more L3 1u TORs with 4 x 40 and 48 x 10...

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases updates

2011-09-11 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/10/11 23:30 , Damian Menscher wrote: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Marcus Reid wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 09:17:10AM -0700, Network IP Dog wrote: >>> I like this response; instant CA death penalty seems to put the >>> incen

Re: what about the users re: NAT444 or ?

2011-09-08 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/8/11 08:49 , Lyle Giese wrote: > Can we really push an IPv6 agenda for CDN's when IPv6 routing at high > backend levels is still not complete? I certainly don't have the > 'clout' to push that, but full routing between Cogent and HE needs to be > fixed. It's your job to run your network such

Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?

2011-09-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/7/11 09:37 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 09:28:28 PDT, Joel jaeggli said: > >> The way to achieve a return on invested capital is to attract and retain >> customers who pay for a service which they find compelling. > > Only true if long-te

Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?

2011-09-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/7/11 09:02 , Michael Holstein wrote: > >> I would love a world where engineering was consulted by marketing :( >> > > Wouldn't be a problem is management invested based on engineering's > recommendations. > > There are few problems that money can't solve .. in this case, it's > "sure, we

Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?

2011-09-05 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/3/11 04:20 , Skeeve Stevens wrote: > Hey all, > > I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have > on the Internet. > > My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical > (DSL, Cable, wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' > obscene amount

Re: Aqua Conduit for 10G multi-mode?

2011-08-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 8/30/11 02:21 , Michael J McCafferty wrote: > All, > Orange innerduct/split-loom tubing for multi-mode, yellow for > single-mode... Where's the aqua for the aqua OM3 fiber? > I feel like the Ethernet fashion police, but it's a horrible color > clash for aqua fiber dressed in yellow o

Re: New Natural Disaster! 8/27/2011 Hurricane Irene

2011-08-28 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 8/28/11 12:29 , John Levine wrote: >> It looks like the DHS, FEMA got this emergency wrong... by the time >> it got to NYC it was the equivalent of a normal day in Scotland. I >> live in Scotland... http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/actualmonthly/ 22.5cm seems to be the max for the month

Re: Prefix hijacking by Michael Lindsay via Internap

2011-08-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Tammy A. Wisdom wrote: > I completely agree... the real issue here is the system is flawed and > RIPE/ARIN/APNIC etc have zero actual authority over actual routing. Yet > another reason they aren't worth the money we flush down the toilet for them > to do absolut

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:40 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:53:24 EDT, Christopher Morrow said: > >> anyway, they do these donkey things because they can :( people have no >> real option (except not to play the game, ala war games). > > My brother recently tried to get

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: > Subject: Re: Verizon Business - LTE? Date: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:49:38AM > -0400 Quoting chris (tknch...@gmail.com): >> Overall, IMO the trends are just seem to be going backwards. We have more >> speed but we can use it less? What kind of te

Re: OSPF vs IS-IS

2011-08-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 11, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> The only reason in my opinion to run IS-IS rather than OSPF today is >> due to the fact that IS-IS is decoupled from IP making it less >> vulnerable to attacks. > > how about simpler and more stable? not rooted to a particular area. supports mo

Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:43 PM, William Herrin wrote: > I mean really, why > wouldn't the life safety system in a car dynamically acquire its > globally-addressable IPv6 addresses from the customer's cheap home > Internet equipment? So they'll each need their /64's which means the > car as a whole n

Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2011-08-11 12:45, james machado wrote: > >> what is the life expectancy of IPv6? It won't live forever and we >> can't reasonably expect it too. I understand we don't want run out of >> addresses in the next 10-40 years but what about

Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I'm sure there will be platforms that end up on both sides of this question. I know of no asic in a switch that claims to support ipv6 that does it this way... That would tend to place you at a competitive disadvantage to broadcom/marvell/fulcru

Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-07 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 7, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Jonathon Exley wrote: > This has probably been said before, but it makes me uncomfortable to think of > everybody in the world being given /48 subnets by default. > All of a sudden that wide expanse of 2^128 IP addresses shrinks to 2^48 > sites. Sure that's still 655

Re: AT&T -> Qwest ... Localpref issue?

2011-08-07 Thread Joel Jaeggli
This is one of the reasons that I thought a useful output from the opsec or idr working group would be a documented set of community functions. Not mapped to values mind you. but I really like to say to providers "do you support rfc blah communities" or "what's your rfc blah community mapping" r

Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-07 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 5, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Brian Mengel wrote: > In reviewing IPv6 end user allocation policies, I can find little > agreement on what prefix length is appropriate for residential end > users. /64 and /56 seem to be the favorite candidates, with /56 being > slightly preferred. > > I am most cu

Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-06 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 5, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Let's clarify -- /48 is much preferred by Owen, It's is also supported by RIR policy, and the RFC series. It would unfair to characterize owen as the only holder of that preference. > but most ISPs seem to be > zeroing in on a /56 for production.

Re: dynamic or static IPv6 prefixes to residential customers

2011-08-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 2, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Mark Newton wrote: > > On 03/08/2011, at 1:20 PM, Jima wrote: > >> Alas, I will maintain that any household that multi-homes at this stage is, >> indeed, abnormal. > > > I'll go out on a limb and suggest that most people loathe their telcos with > an undying venom

Re: dynamic or static IPv6 prefixes to residential customers

2011-08-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 2, 2011, at 3:37 PM, james machado wrote: >>> >>> Yes I am saying a household that mulithomes is abnormal and with >>> today's and contracted monopolies I expect that to continue. You are >>> not a normal household in that 1) you multihome 2) you are willing to >>> pay $1500+ US a

Re: dynamic or static IPv6 prefixes to residential customers

2011-08-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:42 PM, james machado wrote: >>> Lets look at some issues here. >>> >>> 1) it's unlikely that a "normal" household with 2.5 kids and a dog/cat >>> will be able to qualify for their own end user assignment from ARIN. >>> >> >> Interesting... >> >> I have a "normal household

Re: dynamic or static IPv6 prefixes to residential customers

2011-08-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 2, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> en1: flags=8863 mtu 1500 >> ether 60:33:4b:01:75:85 >> inet6 fe80::6233:4bff:fe01:7585%en1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 >> inet 192.168.191.223 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.191.255 >> inet6 fd92:7065:b8e::6233:4bff:f

Re: Comcast Bussiness Class and GRE Tunnels

2011-07-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jul 27, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:15:04 -0500, David E. Smith wrote: >>> > I think on cheap platforms, they have wirespeed gigabit only on switching > functions, but rest will suck. Their top products can do more, but they are > still cannot b

Re: OOB

2011-07-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
My measured availability for a automatic reverse ssh tunnel connection made through a 4g radio in the field was 52%. this was vs 95% on the lab/office environment with the same equipment. That particular experiment I declared a failure. There was never a closer truism than ymmv. joel On Jul 2

Re: dynamic or static IPv6 prefixes to residential customers

2011-07-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
given how often the cellular address changes on my Verizon 4g router not to mention the external ip address on their LSN I think I can speculate... joel On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:11 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Hi Cameron, > > What about routers ? In some locations, users may have only the

Re: high performance open source DHCP solution?

2011-07-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > SSDs can be a good alternative these days as well. Some of them have gotten > to be quite fast. Sure, you'll have to replace them more often than spinning > media, > but, Actually the the scale of writes associated with this application is unlik

Re: high performance open source DHCP solution?

2011-07-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Walter Keen wrote: > We've recently setup ISC DHCPd with failover for lease information, and > LDAP as a configuration source (mostly because of our need for > dynamically adding dhcp reservations for cable modems, etc) -- we don't > have any performance issues thu

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