Anyone with the FAA around, VOR-DME circuit related.

[Luke Guillory via NANOG]

Greetings,

Anyone with the FAA around by chance, needing to speak to someone regarding a 
circuit we provide to a specific VOR-DME. We normally deal with L3Harris though 
that avenue has gone unanswered.


Appreciate any help anyone can provide.




Luke

RE: massive facebook outage presently

[Luke Guillory]

From what I believe was a FB employee on Reddit, account now deleted it seems.


As many of you know, DNS for FB services has been affected and this is likely a 
symptom of the actual issue, and that's that BGP peering with Facebook peering 
routers has gone down, very likely due to a configuration change that went into 
effect shortly before the outages happened (started roughly 1540 UTC).



There are people now trying to gain access to the peering routers to implement 
fixes, but the people with physical access is separate from the people with 
knowledge of how to actually authenticate to the systems and people who know 
what to actually do, so there is now a logistical challenge with getting all 
that knowledge unified.



Part of this is also due to lower staffing in data centers due to pandemic 
measures.



I believe the original change was 'automatic' (as in configuration done via a 
web interface). However, now that connection to the outside world is down, 
remote access to those tools don't exist anymore, so the emergency procedure is 
to gain physical access to the peering routers and do all the configuration 
locally.



https://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/1445068309288951820 "About five minutes 
before Facebook's DNS stopped working we saw a large number of BGP changes 
(mostly route withdrawals) for Facebook's ASN."




From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Baldur Norddahl
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:41 PM
To: NANOG 
Subject: Re: massive facebook outage presently

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I got a mail that Facebook was leaving NLIX. Maybe someone botched the script 
so they took down all BGP sessions instead of just NLIX and now they can't 
access the equipment to put it back... :-)


man. 4. okt. 2021 20.31 skrev Billy Croan 
mailto:bcr...@unrealservers.net>>:
I know what this is.  They forgot to update the credit card on their 
godaddy account and the domain lapsed.  I guess it will be 
facebook.info
 when they get it back online.  The post mortem should be an interesting read.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 11:46 AM Jason Kuehl 
mailto:jason.w.ku...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Looks like they run there own nameservers and I see the soa records are even 
missing.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:23 PM Mel Beckman 
mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote:
Here’s a screenshot:

 -mel beckman


On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

https://link.edgepilot.com/s/3926b9ff/bTkszib6zUmYbE_rZxhltQ?u=https://downdetector.com/status/facebook/

Normally not worth mentioning random $service having an outage here, but this 
will undoubtedly generate a large volume of customer service calls.

Appears to be failure in DNS resolution.



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RE: Zayo or HE for IP transit

[Luke Guillory]

No issues with HE, only gripe was that if you had transit along with IX 
peering, traffic will always prefer transit over IX ports.





From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Patrick W. Gilmore
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:12 AM
To: North American Operators' Group 
Subject: Re: Zayo or HE for IP transit

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Hurricane has probably the most peering of any large network on the  planet. 
They also carry more v6 traffic than anyone. But they have a famous problem 
with v6 - you cannot get to Cogent (174) from HE. Since you have Cogent, that 
should not be a problem. Private, smart people, customer service is excellent, 
generally good network. One minor thing to keep in mind: They do not have as 
many weird “features” as some of the other big networks. If you are looking for 
something very specific (as opposed to vanilla transit), you should check to 
see if they support it. Not saying they won’t, just saying I would check. 
Which, frankly, is good advice for any network.

I have not used Zayo in many years, so cannot comment on them.

--
TTFN,
patrick


On Apr 19, 2021, at 5:30 PM, James Lumby 
mailto:ja...@jlent.net>> wrote:

What is the current experience with Zayo or HE?  I’m looking at possibly adding 
one of them into a mix of cogent and a mix from my datacenter.  Would be using 
BGP full routes.  Any experiences would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
James

RE: wow, lots of akamai

[Luke Guillory]

Patrick,

“Personally, I have zero problems with the ISPs saying “give me a cache to put 
here with this sized uplink” or “please deliver to these users over this xconn 
/ IX / whatever”. I have a huge problem with the ISPs blaming the ISPs for 
delivering what the ISP’s users request.”

We had to beg to get more local CDN resources which still doesn’t even deliver 
half of their traffic.


“More importantly, I know for a fact Akamai has spent ungodly amounts of money 
& resources putting content precisely where the ISPs ask them to put it, 
deliver it over the pipes the ISPs ask them to deliver it, at precisely the 
capacity the ISPs tell them.”

From our experience this hasn’t been the case, can’t get PNI, can’t get them to 
add resources on their end to send more IX traffic. Don’t take that as me 
thinking they’re not doing things on their end to try and make things better, 
I’m not blind that it takes a massive number of resources. We just haven’t see 
things the way you have is all.






From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Patrick W. Gilmore
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:09 PM
To: North American Operators' Group 
Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai

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Matt:

I am going to disagree with your characterization of how Akamai - and many 
other CDNs - manage things. First, to be blunt, if you really think Akamai 
nodes are “sitting idle for weeks” before CoD comes out with a new game, you 
are clearly confused.

More importantly, I know for a fact Akamai has spent ungodly amounts of money & 
resources putting content precisely where the ISPs ask them to put it, deliver 
it over the pipes the ISPs ask them to deliver it, at precisely the capacity 
the ISPs tell them.

On the other hand, I agree with your characterization of residential broadband. 
It is ridiculous to expect a neighborhood with 1,000 homes each with 1 Gbps 
links to have a terabit of uplink capacity. But it also should have a lot more 
than 10 Gbps, IMHO. Unfortunately, most neighborhoods I have seen are closer to 
the latter than the former.

Finally, this could quickly devolve into finger pointing. You say the CDNs bear 
some responsibility? They may well respond that the large broadband providers 
ask for cash to interconnect - but still require the CDNs to do all the work. 
The CDNs did not create the content, or tell the users which content to pull. 
When I pay $NATIONAL_PROVIDER, I expect them to provide me with access to the 
Internet. Not just to the content that pays that provider.

Personally, I have zero problems with the ISPs saying “give me a cache to put 
here with this sized uplink” or “please deliver to these users over this xconn 
/ IX / whatever”. I have a huge problem with the ISPs blaming the ISPs for 
delivering what the ISP’s users request.

Of course, this could all be solved if there were more competition in broadband 
in the US (and many other countries). But that is a totally different 10,000 
post thread (that we have had many dozens of times).

--
TTFN,
patrick


On Apr 1, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Matt Erculiani 
mailto:merculi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Niels,

I think to clarify Jean's point, when you buy a 300mbps circuit, you're paying 
for 300mbps of internet access.

That does not mean that a network should (and in this case small-medium ones 
simply can't) build all of their capacity to service a large number of customer 
circuits at line rate at the same time for an extended period, ESPECIALLY to 
the exact same endpoint. It's just not economically reasonable to expect that. 
Remember we're talking about residential service here, not enterprise circuits.

Therefore, how do you prevent this spike of [insert large number here] gigabits 
traversing the network at the same time from causing issues? Build more 
network? That sounds easy, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons why ISPs 
can't or don't want to do that, particularly for an event that only occurs once 
per quarter or so.

Does Akamai bear some burden here to make these rollouts less troublesome for 
the ISPs they traverse through the last mile(s)? IMO yes, yes they do. When 
you're doing something new and unprecedented, as Akamai frequently brags about 
on Twitter, like having rapid, bursty growth of traffic, you need to consider 
that just because you can generate it, doesn't mean it can be delivered.  
They've gotta be more sophisticated than a bunch of servers with SSD arrays, 
ramdisks, and 100 gig interfaces, so there's no excuse for them here to just 
blindly fill every link they have after sitting idle for weeks/months at a time 
and expect everything to come out alright and nobody to complain about it.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 1:21 PM Niels Bakker 
mailto:na...@bakker.net>> wrote:
* nanog@nanog.org (Jean St-Laurent via NANOG) [Thu 01 
Apr 2021, 21:03 CEST]:
>An artificial roll out penalty somehow? Probably not at the ISP
>level, but more at the game level. Well, ISP could also have some
>mechanisms to reduc

RE: wow, lots of akamai

[Luke Guillory]

IX’s don’t really help the source doesn’t use them.

Akamai traffic.
17G via Local Cache
17G via Transit
8G via IXs.

Plenty of room on IXs for more on our side.



From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 2:31 PM
To: Niels Bakker 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai

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There likely is some amount of time between the product being "done" and the 
activation date. That time could be used (and may very well be for some 
platforms) to distribute the content ahead of when people need it. If too many 
points of congestion arise, the above mentioned time would need to be longer.


Of course as an IX operator, I encourage everyone (CDNs and eyeballs) to join 
IXes and push them bits at maximum speed!  ;-)


As an eyeball ISP, sometimes the congestion is in the home, creating a poor 
experience, yet no one above them is to blame.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/ac964af3/CIKwQEO-ZkiYpW6Z8sKObQ?u=http://www.ics-il.com/

Midwest-IX
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/aac6d8b8/o8NzA_6ZJESKpzRLQOS0Pw?u=http://www.midwest-ix.com/


From: "Niels Bakker" mailto:niels=na...@bakker.net>>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 2:21:24 PM
Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai

* nanog@nanog.org (Jean St-Laurent via NANOG) [Thu 01 
Apr 2021, 21:03 CEST]:
>An artificial roll out penalty somehow? Probably not at the ISP
>level, but more at the game level. Well, ISP could also have some
>mechanisms to reduce the impact or even Akamai could force a
>progressive roll out.

It's an online game. You can't play the game with outdated assets.
You'd not see walls where other players would, for example.

What you're suggesting is the ability of ISPs to market Internet access
at a certain speed but not have to deliver it based on conditions they
create.


-- Niels.



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Re: wow, lots of akamai

[Luke Guillory]

IOS 7 seemed to be sent to everyone at once causing large spikes along with 
saturating many links for smaller ISPs.

I believe after that it went more to a distribution type of sorts though I 
could be wrong. Maybe it was that 7 was so vastly different everyone was 
itching to try it.




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On Apr 1, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG  wrote:

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I remembered working for a big ISP in Europe offering cable tv + internet with 
+20M subscribers

Every time there was a huge power outage in major cities, all tv`s would go off 
at the same time. I don`t have stats on power grid stability in Europe Vs N/A.

The problem, was when the power was coming back in big cities, all the tv 
subscribers would come back online at the exact same second or minute.
More or less the same 2 or 3 minutes.

What happened is that it would create a kind of internal DDoS and they would 
all timed out and give a weird error message. Something very useful like Error 
Code 0x8098808 Please call our support line at this phone number.

The server sysadmins would go on a panic because all systems were overloaded. 
They often needed to do overtime because DB crashed, key servers there crashed, 
DB here crashed, whatever... there was always something crashing.  This was 
before the cloud when you could just push a slider and have tons of VMs or 
containers to absorb the load in real time. (in my dream)

This would every time create frustration from the clients, the help desk, the 
support teams and also the upper management. Every time the teams were really 
tired after that. It was draining juice.

Anyway, after some years of talking internally (red tape), we finally managed 
to install a random artificial penalty in the setup boxes when they boot after 
a power outage. Nothing like 20 minutes, but just enough to spread the load 
over a longer period of time. For the end user, it went transparent for them 
because, if the setup box would boot in 206 seconds instead of the super 
aggressive 34 seconds, well it booted and they could watch tv.
Vs

my system is totally frozen and it`s been like that for 20 minutes with weird 
messages because all your systems are down and the error msg said to call the 
help desk.

This simple change to add 3 lines of code to add a random artificial boot 
penalty of few seconds, completely solve the problem. This way, when a city 
would black out, we wouldn't be self DDoS, because the systems would slowly 
rampup. The setup boxes would all reboot but, wait randomly before asking for 
the DRM package to unlock the cable TV service and validate whether billing is 
right.

I`m no Call of Duty expert nor Akamai, but it's been many times that I observe 
the same question here:

What's happening?
Call of Duty!
Okay.

Would a kind of throttle help here?

An artificial roll out penalty somehow? Probably not at the ISP level, but more 
at the game level. Well, ISP could also have some mechanisms to reduce the 
impact or even Akamai could force a progressive roll out.

I`m not sure that the proposed solutions could work, but it seems to impact 
NANOG frequently and/or at least generate a call overnight/weekend. It seems to 
also happens just before long holidays when operations are sometimes on reduce 
personnel.

Are big games roll out really impacting NANOG? or it's more a: Hey I was 
curious what happened and I thought to ask here on NANOG?

#JustCurious

Jean

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
aar...@gvtc.com
Sent: April 1, 2021 12:12 PM
To: 'Jared Mauch' ; 'Töma Gavrichenkov' 

Cc: 'NANOG' 
Subject: RE: wow, lots of akamai

Gaming update... I had a feeling.  Thanks for the feedback folks.

Thanks Jared, it's running well, before, during and after.  We have a lot of 
capacity there.

-Aaron

RE: Akamai IP Block Issues

[Luke Guillory]

I get the same if I try and go to the link directly. But if I hit the site 
first then click through to 
https://www.walgreens.com/findcare/vaccination/covid-19?ban=covid_vaccine_landing_scheduleit
 then Schedule new appointment it works fine.  



Luke



-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Matt Corallo
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:19 AM
To: NANOG 
Subject: Akamai IP Block Issues

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If anyone has a good contact at Akami, please reach out off-list.

We are getting Akamai Access Denied errors on eyeballs trying to schedule 
COVID-19 appointment slots like the below:

Access Denied
You don't have permission to access 
"https://link.edgepilot.com/s/f1779efc/L3KptFLRA0ucnMgPsbtDaA?u=http://www.walgreens.com/findcare/vaccination/covid-19/location-screening";
 on this server.

Reference #18.47be1cb8.1617112737.3f58747

Thanks,
Matt


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Re: No AM/FM/TV broadcaster outages reported to the FCC in Texas

[Luke Guillory]

Yea, we didn’t have any outages either when hurricane Zeta came through. /S

Didn’t we see a video of a tower collapsing due to ice? Might have been further 
up north possibly.






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On Feb 19, 2021, at 8:19 PM, Sean Donelan  wrote:

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The Federal Communications Commission has been reporting a summary of outage
reports (but not the details) from the Texas severe winter weather emergency.

No AM/FM/TV broadcasters have reported any outages in Texas or Oklahoma
during the last week.  More than likely there were outages, but station
owners declined to report them to the FCC.

Outage reports from telecommunications, wireless and VOIP providers

State   Feb 19  Feb 18  Feb 17
Oklahoma:   4   8   7
Texas:  153 208 140

4 PSAP (9-1-1 answering points) were impacted by power outages.  Unclear
what the impact was.

RE: measuring Superbowl traffic

[Luke Guillory]

OTT Service tracking via Kentik. Something like 
www.noction.com/flow-analyzer/<http://www.noction.com/flow-analyzer/> might 
work as well and cheaper, just not sure if they as many things built like this 
or CDN Analytics and so on.




Luke



From: John Neiberger 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 10:16 AM
To: Luke Guillory 
Cc: surfer ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: measuring Superbowl traffic

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Luke,

Thanks for that. How were you able to get that info? That seems handy.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 12:48 PM Luke Guillory 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>> wrote:

I believe it'll be streaming on NFL along with it being on CBS. I show the 
following sources for OTT Traffic on both in case that helps.





OTT Service

Src CDN

Src AS Number

NFL

Level3

LEVEL3,US (3356)

NFL

Level3

LVLT-3549,US (3549)

NFL

Google Youtube

GOOGLE,US (15169)

NFL

Fastly

FASTLY,US (54113)

NFL

EdgeCast Verizon

EDGECAST,US (15133)

NFL

Amazon + AWS

AMAZON-AES,US (14618)

NFL

Amazon + AWS

AMAZON-02,US (16509)

NFL

Akamai

AKAMAI-AS,US (16625)

NFL

Akamai

AKAMAI-ASN1,NL (20940)

NFL

Akamai

GTT-BACKBONE GTT,US (3257)

CBS Sports

Akamai

AKAMAI-ASN1,NL (20940)

CBS All Access

Amazon + AWS

AMAZON-AES,US (14618)

CBS All Access

Amazon + AWS

AMAZON-02,US (16509)

CBS All Access

EdgeCast Verizon

EDGECAST,US (15133)

CBS All Access

Fastly

FASTLY,US (54113)

CBS All Access

Google Youtube

GOOGLE,US (15169)



















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From: NANOG 
mailto:reservetele@nanog.org>>
 On Behalf Of surfer
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:26 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: measuring Superbowl traffic



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Howdy,



I have a request from management to 'measure our Superbowl traffic'.

In researching it I found last year they used 4 different CDNs, but I could 
never find out which ones.  Has anyone out there gotten the same request and 
figured out how to do that this year?



Thanks!

RE: measuring Superbowl traffic

[Luke Guillory]

I believe it'll be streaming on NFL along with it being on CBS. I show the 
following sources for OTT Traffic on both in case that helps.





OTT Service

Src CDN

Src AS Number

NFL

Level3

LEVEL3,US (3356)

NFL

Level3

LVLT-3549,US (3549)

NFL

Google Youtube

GOOGLE,US (15169)

NFL

Fastly

FASTLY,US (54113)

NFL

EdgeCast Verizon

EDGECAST,US (15133)

NFL

Amazon + AWS

AMAZON-AES,US (14618)

NFL

Amazon + AWS

AMAZON-02,US (16509)

NFL

Akamai

AKAMAI-AS,US (16625)

NFL

Akamai

AKAMAI-ASN1,NL (20940)

NFL

Akamai

GTT-BACKBONE GTT,US (3257)

CBS Sports

Akamai

AKAMAI-ASN1,NL (20940)

CBS All Access

Amazon + AWS

AMAZON-AES,US (14618)

CBS All Access

Amazon + AWS

AMAZON-02,US (16509)

CBS All Access

EdgeCast Verizon

EDGECAST,US (15133)

CBS All Access

Fastly

FASTLY,US (54113)

CBS All Access

Google Youtube

GOOGLE,US (15169)



















-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
surfer
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:26 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: measuring Superbowl traffic



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Howdy,



I have a request from management to 'measure our Superbowl traffic'.

In researching it I found last year they used 4 different CDNs, but I could 
never find out which ones.  Has anyone out there gotten the same request and 
figured out how to do that this year?



Thanks!

RE: 3rd party IPTV solutions bundling Netflix?

[Luke Guillory]

First thing you’ll need is retrans rights from the locals, be prepared to pay 
per sub MRC for this. Secondly, I’m pretty sure Netflix allows apps based on 
hardware not software, I don’t know of any middleware platforms that have 
Netflix direct within the platform itself. Plenty have it on the STB though 
that’s a nightmare as well, every flavor of HW and software must go through the 
certification process.

It took 3+ years to get the app on the DCX3635 via Arris’s whole home platform, 
this was with that platform having many providers and 50k plus subs.



Luke






From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Lady Benjamin PD Cannon
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 4:03 PM
To: NANOG Operators' Group 
Subject: 3rd party IPTV solutions bundling Netflix?

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We’re beginning alpha testing of our residential services, and I want to offer 
IPTV.  To get off the ground, we’re white-labeling, are there any providers you 
like out there that can bundle Netflix as well as local/broadcast networks to 
my residential customers?  I think that’d be a nice to have along with no data 
caps/FTTH.

—L.B.


Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
CEO
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
FCC License KJ6FJJ

Re: Cable Company Hotspots

[Luke Guillory]

I believe they use a separate GRE tunnel back into their network to keep it 
separate from the local customers traffic.

They also do this for other ISPs that they have agreements with, Coz customers 
can use the Comcast hotspots vice versa.



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Comcast does exactly that in the US.  Some people turn it off though.  I can't 
recall if just the guest hotspot can be disabled on it's own or you have to 
just turn off wireless completely and use your own kit.
Probably depends on the provided gear.

Slightly off topic, but the cellular providers here also sell femtocells to 
customers that want better cellular service in their home or office.  They 
basically offload (and charge) their customers to expand the coverage over the 
customer's own internet service.
Brandon Svec
15106862204 voice|sms
teamonesolutions.com


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 3:28 PM Rod Beck 
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:
Hey Gang,

How do the cable companies generally deliver this service? A friend insists it 
piggybacks off the WIFI radios of existing cable company subscribers. In other 
words, the cable company WIFI router in a flat is providing both a private link 
for the flat's subscriber, but also a public hotspot service.

I concede it is possible, but I am skeptical that the high quality of hotspot 
service we get here in Budapest could be achieved that way.




Roderick Beck

VP of Business Development

United Cable Company

https://link.edgepilot.com/s/5ea8ed14/sFrYHVe990GXCR1yAfigNg?u=http://www.unitedcablecompany.com/

New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183


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RE: Hurricane Electric AS6939

[Luke Guillory]

Which was my point is all, while it might be an extreme case, IP can cause 
issues for waves as well.



Luke

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:31 PM
To: Luke Guillory 
Cc: Matt Erculiani ; Darin Steffl 
; nanog list 
Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939

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Yes it did, because they were running all of those over their Infinera DWDM 
platforms which crashed. If the underlying optical line terminals are FUBAR, 
all bets are off.



On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM Luke Guillory 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>> wrote:
Didn’t the Dec 2018 CL outage cause waves and even TDM circuits to go down?



Luke



From: NANOG 
mailto:reservetele@nanog.org>>
 On Behalf Of Matt Erculiani
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 3:59 PM
To: Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
Cc: nanog list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939

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For providers who use the same infrastructure for their IP backbone and 
Ethernet services (as so many do), a large DDoS could disrupt all Ethernet 
services that normally traverse affected links, whereas Waves would be 
blissfully ignorant of such an event. Waves are pretty reliable and will only 
go down as a result of a configuration error, vendor software issue, or 
physical/layer 1 failure, all of which can also affect Ethernet services.

This is especially important if you select a provider that sees excess capacity 
as a wasted operational expense instead of an investment in reliability.

Worth noting that protected Waves do have a "reconvergence" time like Ethernet 
would, but this is typically measured in nanoseconds for shorter distances. 
Your equipment can probably be configured to not link-down during this gap, 
you'll just see some errors or a few dropped packets (subject to your 
provider's specific implementation).

-Matt

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:41 PM Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
Yes but they're $$$ to have protection. Generally ethernet will be cheaper than 
waves with the added protection.

I'm not arguing for one or the other. Waves will often be cheaper when looking 
at 10G or 100G compared to ethernet. For 1G or less, ethernet might be cheaper 
with some protection already built-in.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 3:31 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
*nods* There are protected wave services generally available if you wish to 
protect about such things.


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From: "Darin Steffl" 
To: "Mike Hammett" 
Cc: "Eric Kuhnke" , "nanog list" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 3:08:19 PM
Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
The downside to waves are that they're typically not protected. So a cut will 
take you down. If you have 10G Layer 2 ethernet, they often will have redundant 
paths so the only single path that can fail is between you and their first POP 
where they hopefully have redundancy. It can make a big difference when you're 
transporting data hundreds or thousands of miles. The longer the path, the less 
reliable the wave will be as each route mile opens you up to more risk.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
I suppose it depends on your carrier and their capabilities.

I much prefer waves to any kind of service that you can aggregate. Being able 
to aggregate just means they're going to oversubscribe you and at some point, 
you'll not get what you're paying for. Can't do that on a wave.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions

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From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
Cc: "nanog list" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 2:25:46 AM
Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
For small ISPs looking at setting up their first ever presence at an IX point, 
you almost certainly would not be ordering an actual 'wave' (eg: a specific 
DWDM channel on a legacy 10G DWDM platform, handed off to you with 1310/LX 
interfaces at both ends), but lit layer 2 transport service between the carrier 
hotel and your service location.

Pricing for the two types of service can be quite different when you request an 
actual 'wave' from a carrier sales person, vs just lit L2 transport capable of 
large MTUs, QinQ, etc.

The ISP carrying it might take it between those two places as simply a vlan 
trunked through a larger 100G link, as a MPLS circuit, lots of possible things.

Unless you happened to be in a happy conjunction 

RE: Hurricane Electric AS6939

[Luke Guillory]

Didn’t the Dec 2018 CL outage cause waves and even TDM circuits to go down?



Luke



From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Matt Erculiani
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 3:59 PM
To: Darin Steffl 
Cc: nanog list 
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For providers who use the same infrastructure for their IP backbone and 
Ethernet services (as so many do), a large DDoS could disrupt all Ethernet 
services that normally traverse affected links, whereas Waves would be 
blissfully ignorant of such an event. Waves are pretty reliable and will only 
go down as a result of a configuration error, vendor software issue, or 
physical/layer 1 failure, all of which can also affect Ethernet services.

This is especially important if you select a provider that sees excess capacity 
as a wasted operational expense instead of an investment in reliability.

Worth noting that protected Waves do have a "reconvergence" time like Ethernet 
would, but this is typically measured in nanoseconds for shorter distances. 
Your equipment can probably be configured to not link-down during this gap, 
you'll just see some errors or a few dropped packets (subject to your 
provider's specific implementation).

-Matt

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:41 PM Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
Yes but they're $$$ to have protection. Generally ethernet will be cheaper than 
waves with the added protection.

I'm not arguing for one or the other. Waves will often be cheaper when looking 
at 10G or 100G compared to ethernet. For 1G or less, ethernet might be cheaper 
with some protection already built-in.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 3:31 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
*nods* There are protected wave services generally available if you wish to 
protect about such things.


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list" mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 3:08:19 PM
Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
The downside to waves are that they're typically not protected. So a cut will 
take you down. If you have 10G Layer 2 ethernet, they often will have redundant 
paths so the only single path that can fail is between you and their first POP 
where they hopefully have redundancy. It can make a big difference when you're 
transporting data hundreds or thousands of miles. The longer the path, the less 
reliable the wave will be as each route mile opens you up to more risk.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I suppose it depends on your carrier and their capabilities.

I much prefer waves to any kind of service that you can aggregate. Being able 
to aggregate just means they're going to oversubscribe you and at some point, 
you'll not get what you're paying for. Can't do that on a wave.


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From: "Eric Kuhnke

Re: [outages] Major Level3 (CenturyLink) Issues

[Luke Guillory]

Detailed explanation can be found below.


https://blog.thousandeyes.com/centurylink-level-3-outage-analysis/





From: NANOG  on behalf of 
Baldur Norddahl 
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 12:09 PM
To: "nanog@nanog.org" 
Subject: Re: [outages] Major Level3 (CenturyLink) Issues

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I believe someone on this list reported that updates were also broken. They 
could not add prepending nor modify communities.

Anyway I am not saying it cannot happen because clearly something did happen. I 
just don't believe it is a simple case of overload. There has to be more to it.
ons. 2. sep. 2020 15.36 skrev Saku Ytti mailto:s...@ytti.fi>>:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 16:16, Baldur Norddahl 
mailto:baldur.nordd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> I am not buying it. No normal implementation of BGP stays online, replying to 
> heart beat and accepting updates from ebgp peers, yet after 5 hours failed to 
> process withdrawal from customers.

I can imagine writing BGP implementation like this

 a) own queue for keepalives, which i always serve first fully
 b) own queue for update, which i serve second
 c) own queue for withdraw, which i serve last

Why I might think this makes sense, is perhaps I just received from
RR2 prefix I'm pulling from RR1, if I don't handle all my updates
first, I'm causing outage that should not happen, because I already
actually received the update telling I don't need to withdraw it.

Is this the right way to do it? Maybe not, but it's easy to imagine
why it might seem like a good idea.

How well BGP works in common cases and how it works in pathologically
scaled and busy cases are very different cases.

I know that even in stable states commonly run vendors on commonly run
hardware can take +2h to finish converging iBGP on initial turn-up.

--
  ++ytti

RE: MX204 Rails

[Luke Guillory]

Yup, the same terrible ones that came with the QFX's and ACX's. 




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From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Simon Lockhart
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:38 PM
To: Rafael Possamai 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: MX204 Rails

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On Thu Jul 16, 2020 at 02:27:25PM -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote:
> Doesn't the mx204 have rackmount brackets rather than rails?

It has ears at the front, and "rails" at the rear.

The MX204 would have come with the rear rails when bought new.

See 
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/4bf9c3e9/UBi8UroL2kyRsIcDupv78w?u=https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics/topic-map/mx204-installing.html

Simon


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RE: Router Suggestions

[Luke Guillory]

Pretty sure you can via the following PNs.

S-MX204-IR
S-MX204-R



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From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Jared Brown
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 11:11 AM
To: Matt Harris 
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group 
Subject: Re: Router Suggestions

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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020
From: "Matt Harris" 
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:52 AM Jared Brown 
>> mailto:nanog-...@mail.com]> wrote:
>> My no-effort quote from last month lists just the box at $13,000. Once you 
>> are all in the total is that 1.5 multiple Baldur mentioned compared to OP.
>>
>> However, if you google "mx204 price" the first hit wants very much to sell 
>> you one for <$11,000. Caveat emptor and YMMV.
>>
>> Jared
>> 
> Not all MX204's are created equal, however. For edge applications, many folks 
> will want to go with the -IR model, and the -R model is the 
> fully-unrestricted one.
> These will cost substantively more than the base model which has rib, fib, 
> and vrf limitations enforced.
  True enough. I was, however, under the impression you could upgrade the 
license at a later date.

Jared

Re: How to manage Static IPs to customers

[Luke Guillory]

You can do 32Q plus 2 OFDM blocks as well. But who has that kind of spectrum, 
we surely don’t. A 96Mhz block maybe.

But you can’t take the total at 100G and say that’s beyond your scale, you 
don’t run at full saturation do you? :)

And in order to run DCAM2s you’ll have to upgrade the RSMs to the gen2s as well.



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16 connectors per DCAM2 times 6 cards is 96 DS service groups in a chassis. At 
~1.2 Gbps per connector (using 32 SC-QAM DOCSIS 3.0 channels) that's ~ 
100gigabits per chassis. Quite a bit above my scale ;- )

The E6k can also do DOCSIS 3.1, which we use today, though I'm not sure what 
the capacity limit is per DCAM/SG/connector when both SQ-QAM and OFDM are used 
in combination.

--Blake

On 5/8/2020 4:13 PM, Luke Guillory wrote:
E6K using gen 1 DCAMs can do about 32 service groups give or take, not that 
hard to get to a point with splits where you want to go past those numbers. Gen 
2 DCAMs double that by going to 16 connectors compared to 8. cBR8 is less than 
the E6K.

The point of node splits is to lower customers per SG, you can’t just split and 
stay on the same chassis if you’re at capacity on slots.

If you take the Comcast approach and start pushing fiber deeper in order to 
remove actives your node counts sky rocket. All the whole they’re lowering 
counts on SGs as well.

Even us little guys or working on lowering customers per SG, they have to be 
moved somewhere which would be another chassis if you’re out of free connectors 
on like cards.

Like

Sent from my iPhone

On May 8, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Blake Hudson 
<mailto:bl...@ispn.net> wrote:


Aaron, I was thinking something similar. I've never once had a node
split require moving a customer to a different CMTS. Even the very old
and (relatively) low capacity 7200 VXR could serve several nodes per
line card and supported several line cards per chassis. Newer cBR8, E6k,
and the like can serve many many times more customers across dozens of
nodes. Every L3 CMTS I've worked on uses something akin to ip unnumbered
so as long as the customer stays on the same CMTS, their IP address will
continue to work regardless of what interface or line card their
connection terminates on.

On 5/8/2020 2:34 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
We have a provisioning system (promptlink) that we use to map cable modems
to their static ip addresses.  The provisioning system has a gui front end
and it sits on linux and also acts as a dhcp server, etc.  This is the same
ip address that we use for cable-helper (like ip-helper on a cmts bundle ip
interface) to forward dhcp requests from cable modem cpe, via the cmts, and
unicasted to promptlink and then the static ip address reservation within
the promptlink is sent back to the cpe

This all continues to work, even during node splits, as long as we don't
move that cm cpe to a different cmts... which would rarely happen since it's
across town to get to our other RF environment served be a different cmts
using a different static ip subnet... since we don't do L2 via cmts's in
order to stitch back that ip into a more globally located static subnet...
again, we don't do that.  If the customers moves locations, into a different
cmts area, that would be required to give back the single static /32 ip and
get a different on.  Unless they were a multi-static customer buying like a
/29... in which case we have no problem moving that /29 subnet off that cmts
and onto another one.  That's easy.

We do however have more centrally located subnets for some of our single
static ip customers in FTTH... but not CMTS docsis.

-Aaron


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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Javier Gutierrez
Guerra
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 3:50 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: How to manage Static IPs to customers

Hi there,
Just wanted to reach out and get an idea how is people managing customers
with static Ips, more specifically on Docsis networks where the customer
could be moved between cmts's when a node is split

Thanks in advance for all responses,

Javier Gutierrez Guerra

Re: How to manage Static IPs to customers

[Luke Guillory]

E6K using gen 1 DCAMs can do about 32 service groups give or take, not that 
hard to get to a point with splits where you want to go past those numbers. Gen 
2 DCAMs double that by going to 16 connectors compared to 8. cBR8 is less than 
the E6K.

The point of node splits is to lower customers per SG, you can’t just split and 
stay on the same chassis if you’re at capacity on slots.

If you take the Comcast approach and start pushing fiber deeper in order to 
remove actives your node counts sky rocket. All the whole they’re lowering 
counts on SGs as well.

Even us little guys or working on lowering customers per SG, they have to be 
moved somewhere which would be another chassis if you’re out of free connectors 
on like cards.

Like

Sent from my iPhone

On May 8, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Blake Hudson  wrote:

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Aaron, I was thinking something similar. I've never once had a node
split require moving a customer to a different CMTS. Even the very old
and (relatively) low capacity 7200 VXR could serve several nodes per
line card and supported several line cards per chassis. Newer cBR8, E6k,
and the like can serve many many times more customers across dozens of
nodes. Every L3 CMTS I've worked on uses something akin to ip unnumbered
so as long as the customer stays on the same CMTS, their IP address will
continue to work regardless of what interface or line card their
connection terminates on.

On 5/8/2020 2:34 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
We have a provisioning system (promptlink) that we use to map cable modems
to their static ip addresses.  The provisioning system has a gui front end
and it sits on linux and also acts as a dhcp server, etc.  This is the same
ip address that we use for cable-helper (like ip-helper on a cmts bundle ip
interface) to forward dhcp requests from cable modem cpe, via the cmts, and
unicasted to promptlink and then the static ip address reservation within
the promptlink is sent back to the cpe

This all continues to work, even during node splits, as long as we don't
move that cm cpe to a different cmts... which would rarely happen since it's
across town to get to our other RF environment served be a different cmts
using a different static ip subnet... since we don't do L2 via cmts's in
order to stitch back that ip into a more globally located static subnet...
again, we don't do that.  If the customers moves locations, into a different
cmts area, that would be required to give back the single static /32 ip and
get a different on.  Unless they were a multi-static customer buying like a
/29... in which case we have no problem moving that /29 subnet off that cmts
and onto another one.  That's easy.

We do however have more centrally located subnets for some of our single
static ip customers in FTTH... but not CMTS docsis.

-Aaron


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Javier Gutierrez
Guerra
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 3:50 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: How to manage Static IPs to customers

Hi there,
Just wanted to reach out and get an idea how is people managing customers
with static Ips, more specifically on Docsis networks where the customer
could be moved between cmts's when a node is split

Thanks in advance for all responses,

Javier Gutierrez Guerra

RE: How to manage Static IPs to customers

[Luke Guillory]

I believe some of the bigger guys do BSoD (business services over DOCSI), L2 
out the CMTS then take it to a central router for the CPEs gateway. Being that 
the GW lives on the CMTS in a normal setup, during node splits that would 
require customers moving to a new CMTS it might mean the customer doesn’t have 
access to that subnet anymore. 

BSoD makes that a non-issue since their GW doesn't reside on the CMTS anymore, 
just move their vlan and they're good. 

 
Luke

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From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Brandon Martin
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 2:55 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: How to manage Static IPs to customers

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I'm curious...

Is it part of the DOCSIS spec that the CMTS terminates L3, or can they bridge 
to IEEE 802(.3) and delegate that to some other piece of gear?
I'm unfortunately not familiar with the MSO world much at all aside from a 
little bit of L1.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: rack rails

[Luke Guillory]

Not sure to be honest, I see the following though which may work just not sure 
how thin this one is. I noticed in the DOCs it says not to use if placing 
directly on top of another device, which you could assume might mean it's too 
thick.

BTI7801 Chassis Support Bracket Kit (BT8A78SSB3)

https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/release-independent/bti-series/bti7800/topics/concept/concept-c-hwoig-7800-rack-mounting.html




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* Luke Guillory

> I've had gear that came with a small rear support shelf that didn't had 
to the height, RGB Networks BNPs for example. I'm pretty sure we've used these 
with the BNPs one on top of the other.
>
> Page 16 in this PDF shows the shelf.
>
> 
http://www.konturm.ru/catalogy/df/bnp2xr_installation_guide_3.7.1_20160222.pdf

Interesting, thanks! Such a shelf would do the trick if it is thin enough 
to fit in the tiny space between two devices mounted in adjacent rack units.

Do you know if it is possible to buy this kind of shelf from somewhere 
(without an accompanying device)?

Tore

Re: rack rails

[Luke Guillory]

I've had gear that came with a small rear support shelf that didn't had to the 
height, RGB Networks BNPs for example. I'm pretty sure we've used these with 
the BNPs one on top of the other. 

Page 16 in this PDF shows the shelf.

http://www.konturm.ru/catalogy/df/bnp2xr_installation_guide_3.7.1_20160222.pdf





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* David Funderburk

> 2 - Do you know of any universal rail kits for 1U, 2U and 3U servers, 
routers, switches that work well?  The brand names are nice but expensive. 
Thought I'd explore some cheaper options first. We use a lot of MikroTik, HP, 
Dell and some CISCO with a few other things here and there.

When it comes to network equipment meant for mounting in four-post data 
centre racks with PSU-to-port airflow, the included kits are usually anything 
but nice.

The problem is that they typically only allow for insertion/removal through 
the rear of the rack (unlike servers, which are almost exclusively mounted 
through the front of the rack).

When a rack has been filled up, removal/insertion through the rear will 
often be essentially impossible due to cables, vertical PDUs and stuff like 
that that gets in the way.

Explained in pictures here: 
https://www.redpill-linpro.com/techblog/2019/08/06/rack-switch-removal.html

If someone knows of a generic rack mount kit for data centre switches that 
allows for insertion/removal through the front of the rack, i.e. from/to the 
cold aisle, I'd be very grateful.

Best thing I've come up with so far is to use shelves, but that doubles the 
amount of rack units I need to use (1U switch sitting on top of a 1U shelf...)

Tore

RE: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

[Luke Guillory]

Modern Warfare update is what I'm being told. 

I did around 4Gpbs from the Xbox network and 1.5Gbps via PS. 



-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Jared Mauch
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:21 AM
To: Kaiser, Erich 
Cc: NANOG list 
Subject: Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

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> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Kaiser, Erich  wrote:
>
> Yeah we saw that as well. Must be a game release or something.

Yes, that’s my understanding as well.

- Jared

RE: breakout

[Luke Guillory]

You'd need something like this, which you can jumper over to the 10G port. 


https://www.fs.com/products/37016.html

Cable to break it out. 

https://www.fs.com/products/68048.html



Luke



Ns






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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:10 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group 
Subject: breakout

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i am not a fiber/sfp/... geek, so clue bat please

on my left, i have a delta 9020SL running arcos, female 40g qsfp

on my right, i have incoming 10g 1310nm single mode from the seattle internet 
exchange.  it is currently into a redstone 10g sfp

NAMEVALUE
-
SwPort  1
Status  PRESENT
Valid   True
Vendor  FiberStore
Model   SFP-10GLR-31
Serial-Number   G1804021292
TypeSFP
Module-Type 10G_BASE_SX
Media-Type  FIBER
Module-Capability   F_10G
Length  255
Length-Description

which i am swapping out for the delta 9020

so i am look at something such as https://www.fs.com/products/30900.html
except i do not understand active/passive, AOC1M, etc

thanks in advance

randy

RE: SFP oraganizers / storage recommendations

[Luke Guillory]

We use a few of these.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LDH3JC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


We label the fronts with address label's for each PN.

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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:54 AM
To: Matthew Huff
Cc: NANOG mailing list
Subject: Re: SFP oraganizers / storage recommendations

If you buy your SFPs from fs.com, they come in a nice organizer -- and if you 
buy less than a tray full, you still get a tray.
I keep spares in the trays, labeled on the outside -- I then put the trays in a 
cheap toolbox / fishing tackle box, and list what's in each one in a Google 
spreadsheet.

Whenever I'm actually at the cage / rack and have a few minutes I compare the 
spreadsheet to reality, and update accordingly (SFPs, and XFPs in particular 
evaporate over time...)

W

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:36 AM Matthew Huff  wrote:
>
> Any recommendations to keep track of different SFP and keep them organized? 
> Any storage boxes / trays designed for SFPs?



--
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the 
first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret 
at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
   ---maf

RE: SFP oraganizers / storage recommendations

[Luke Guillory]

Barcodes on FS.com is the serial, so you'd need to receive them in or enter 
them with PN and SN.



Ns






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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jason Lixfeld
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 9:03 AM
To: Warren Kumari
Cc: NANOG mailing list
Subject: Re: SFP oraganizers / storage recommendations

I’m wondering if the barcodes on the SFPs would let you simplify things a bit 
more vs. updating a spreadsheet.  IE:  Some sort of barcode scanner app for 
your phone that could automagically add/remove from some sort of document or 
database?

> On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Warren Kumari  wrote:
>
> If you buy your SFPs from fs.com, they come in a nice organizer -- and
> if you buy less than a tray full, you still get a tray.
> I keep spares in the trays, labeled on the outside -- I then put the
> trays in a cheap toolbox / fishing tackle box, and list what's in each
> one in a Google spreadsheet.
>
> Whenever I'm actually at the cage / rack and have a few minutes I
> compare the spreadsheet to reality, and update accordingly (SFPs, and
> XFPs in particular evaporate over time...)
>
> W
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:36 AM Matthew Huff  wrote:
>>
>> Any recommendations to keep track of different SFP and keep them organized? 
>> Any storage boxes / trays designed for SFPs?
>
>
>
> --
> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
> idea in the first place.
> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
> of pants.
>   ---maf

RE: lots of traffic starting at 3 a.m. central time

[Luke Guillory]

That’s what I’m seeing as well, went  from 2.2G around 2:50AM CST to a peak of 
16G.


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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Phil Lavin
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:48 AM
To: Aaron Gould; Nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: lots of traffic starting at 3 a.m. central time

> Anyone else see lots of traffic coming down starting at 3 a.m. central time ? 
>  all of my internet connections showed strangely larger load for a few early 
> morning hours.

Someone, on another list, mentioned a 70% increase in traffic to Akamai which 
seems to correlate with a new Fortnite release

RE: Fibre provider in Starkville, MS

[Luke Guillory]

C Spire is near that area, they may have fiber there.

Luke


Ns





From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Theo Voss
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 11:40 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Fibre provider in Starkville, MS

Hi all,

we’re looking for a regional (and agile) ISP who can provide 1 Gbps 
full-transparent layer2 connectivity from an office building in Starkville, MS 
(address on request) to our PoP in Atlanta (https://www.peeringdb.com/fac/562) 
– does anyone has recommendations? :-)

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Theo Voss

RE: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?

[Luke Guillory]

Matt,

I believe the thought process is that if I'm not renting the device from the 
MSO, why would they log said info. As Scott said, there can be many reasons as 
to why they would grab it and add to the users account.

Same as making sure modems, whether that's MSO owned or customer owned are on 
the latest firmware.



Luke



Ns






-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 7:27 AM
To: K. Scott Helms
Cc: Luke Guillory; NANOG
Subject: Re: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?

I don’t really see the issue here. What was the concern of the O. P. ?

That a Comcast tech will know your Wifi password?  If you’re really running 
something that requires that kind of security you may want to get your own 
wireless access point.

Otherwise, that’s just how it works for a multitude of reasons.

RE: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?

[Luke Guillory]

Yes it's in the router, accessed via the following MIB.



Name arrisRouterWPAPreSharedKey
OID  .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2
MIB  ARRIS-ROUTER-DEVICE-MIB
Syntax   OCTET STRING (SIZE (8..64))
Access   read-write
Status   current

Descri   Sets the WPA Pre-Shared Key (PSK) used by this service set.  This
   value MUST be either a 64 byte hexadecimal number, OR an 8 to 63
   character ASCII string.


Which returns the following.


OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2.10004
Value: F2414322EE3D9263
Type: OctetString

OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2.10003
Value: F2414322EE3D9263
Type: OctetString

OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2.10002
Value: F2414322EE3D9263
Type: OctetString

OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2.10001
Value: F2414322EE3D9263
Type: OctetString





Ns







-Original Message-
From: Peter Beckman [mailto:beck...@angryox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 9:35 PM
To: Luke Guillory
Cc: Laurent Dumont; NANOG
Subject: Re: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019, Peter Beckman wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Apr 2019, Luke Guillory wrote:
>
>> OP said they logged into their account and went to the security
>> portion of the portal. So one can assume they're the ISP or I don’t
>> see the point in asking how Comcast would know the info.
>
> It is entirely possible that an account separate and hidden from the
> customer account would be able to access the administrative controls
> of the router. It is also plausible that the access does not use a
> username/password to authenticate but another, hopefully secure method.
>
> One could make this access secure by:
>
>1. Ensuring any connection originated from Company-controlled IP space
>2. Username/Password are not provided to the CS agent but is merely a
>button they press, after properly authenticating themselves as well
>as authenticating the customer, that would pass a one-time use
>token to access the device
>3. Every token use was logged and regularly audited
>4. Keys were regularly and in an automated fashion rotated, maybe even
>   daily
>
> If such precautions are taken, it is their router and it is their
> service, seems reasonable that Comcast should be able to log into
> their router and change configs.

... such that the access of the Wifi Password which is likely stored in plain 
text on the router is accessed by Comcast in a secure manner and not stored in 
plain text in their internal databases.

But I'm guessing probably it's just cached in plain text in their internal DBs.

Get your own router if you're worried about your Wifi Password being known by 
Comcast. Or change to WPA2 Enterprise, but I'm guessing that isn't supported on 
the router...

---
Peter Beckman  Internet Guy
beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/
---

Re: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?

[Luke Guillory]

OP said they logged into their account and went to the security portion of the 
portal. So one can assume they're the ISP or I don’t see the point in asking 
how Comcast would know the info.


Luke
Ns



Sent from my iPad

On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Laurent Dumont 
mailto:laurentfdum...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It's not exactly clear from the StackExchange post but if the end-user is also 
using Comcast as an ISP, then I guess the modem simply re-registered under the 
new customer and is happily providing the visibility to Comcast?




On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:34 PM Töma Gavrichenkov 
mailto:xima...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:07 AM Seth Mattinen 
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
> Don't use the built in wifi AP on a cable modem combo would be my first
> reaction.

Totally correct, but that's what s/he claims to have already taken care of!

--
Töma

RE: Disney+ CDN

[Luke Guillory]

They owned 33% and bought another 42% making it an even 75%.




Luke


ns





From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 2:38 PM
To: Chris Grundemann
Cc: Jared Geiger; NANOG
Subject: Re: Disney+ CDN

$1.6B for less than half of the company and they don't even source the bits 
themselves?  Hrm


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From: "Chris Grundemann" mailto:cgrundem...@gmail.com>>
To: "Jared Geiger" mailto:ja...@compuwizz.net>>
Cc: "NANOG" mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 2:31:24 PM
Subject: Re: Disney+ CDN



On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:03 PM Jared Geiger 
mailto:ja...@compuwizz.net>> wrote:
An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are 
built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I 
haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from.

Yep, they decided to buy BAMTech and build their own:
https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-majority-ownership-bamtech/



On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:58 PM Aaron Gould 
mailto:aar...@gvtc.com>> wrote:
Have we found out yet if Disney+ will have a CDN?  Like Netflix oca, Akamai 
aanp, google ggc, facebook fna … a Disney isp-located cdn presence ?

disneyplus.com

-Aaron



From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On 
Behalf Of Aaron Graves
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:22 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Disney+ CDN

Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution 
once they leave Netflix?  Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache 
server.

AG


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Re: Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6

[Luke Guillory]

My mom was cheap and only had pulse dialing in the 90s, it made using pagers 
difficult. Had to flip to tone after it dialed.



Ns

Sent from my iPad

>



On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:53 PM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:
>
> The telephone example:
> What IS the benefit of DTMF other than I can dial faster?  None. And I can 
> use IVRs. Again - no impact to me as a telephone company.
>
> As far as ipv6. It’s been proven things “load faster” because the ipv6 
> servers of the various websites are not as heavily loaded as the ipv4 
> variants.
>
> All things equal - ipv6 doesn’t load faster. There’s literally no advantage 
> to ipv6 other than “I’m out of ipv4 and need to continue to provide public 
> routable Ips to my customers. “
>
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:42 PM, Mike Leber  wrote:
>>
>> You are assuming the routing and transit relationships in IPv4 are the
>> same in IPv6.
>>
>> IPv4 has many many many suboptimal transit relationships where routing
>> is purposely suboptimal on the part of the networks in the path due to
>> competitive reasons.  One example of suboptimal routing is traffic not
>> being exchanged in a closer location where both networks exist and
>> instead being routed hundreds or thousands of miles out of the way.
>>
>> Customers don't get to influence the decisions of monopolies etc.
>>
>> Customers choose based on inertia, brand experience, and what options
>> are even available to them to get IPv6 vs IPv4.
>>
>> IPv6 has randomized some of these vendor relationships due to some
>> upstream networks not even implementing IPv6, meaning the downstream
>> networks were forced to make other choices.
>>
>>
>>> On 3/31/19 6:21 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>>> It is not possible for web pages to load faster over IPv6 than over IPv4.  
>>> All other factors being equal, IPv6 has higher overhead than IPv4 for the 
>>> same payload throughput.  This means that it is physically impossible for 
>>> IPv6 to be move payload bytes "faster" than IPv4 can move the same payload.
>>>
>>> In other words, IPv6 has a higher "packet tax" than IPv4.  Since you have 
>>> no choice but to pay the "packet tax" the actual payload data flows more 
>>> slowly.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says 
>>> a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ca By
 Sent: Sunday, 31 March, 2019 18:53
 To: Matt Hoppes
 Cc: Aaron C. de Bruyn; NANOG mailing list
 Subject: Re: Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6



 On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:20 PM Matt Hoppes
  wrote:


   Going to play devils advocate.

   If frontier has a ton of ipv4 addresses, what benefit is there
 to them in rolling out ipv6?

   What benefit is there to you?


 I love xbox and xbox works better on ipv6,

 https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wed.general.palmer.xbox_.47
 .pdf

 Also, webpages load faster , and i love fast web pages

 https://code.fb.com/networking-traffic/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-on-
 board/


 https://www.akamai.com/fr/fr/multimedia/documents/technical-
 publication/a-case-for-faster-mobile-web-in-cellular-ipv6-
 networks.pdf




   On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:11 PM, C. A. Fillekes
  wrote:




   Still it's pretty darn good having real broadband on the
 farm.  One thing at a time.


   But, let's start thinking about ways to get Frontier up to
 speed on the IPv6 thing.



   On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:24 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn
  wrote:


   You're not alone.

   I talked with my local provider about 4 years ago and
 they said "We will probably start looking into IPv6 next year".
   I talked with them last month and they said "Yeah,
 everyone seems to be offering it.  I guess I'll have to start reading
 how to implement it".

   I'm sure 2045 will finally be the year of IPv6
 everywhere.

   -A

   On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:36 AM C. A. Fillekes
  wrote:



   So by COB yesterday we now officially have FIOS
 at our farm.


   Went from 3Mbps to around 30 measured average.
 Yay.


   It's a business account, Frontier.  But...still
 no IPv6.


   The new router's capable of it.  What's the hold
 up?


   Customer service's response is "We don't offer
 that".





>>
>

Re: Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6

[Luke Guillory]

Telcos had an advantage, they were able to put the cost of that new fancy 
switch into our cost study / rate base.

So they were rewarded for spending money, and boy did they spend money.


Luke

Ns


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Mike Leber mailto:mle...@he.net>> 
wrote:


You mean like pulse dialing and stepper relays vs touch tone dialing?

I'm sure there were people that felt the same about that too.

That mindset is simply you already paid for the old stuff, it's working fine, 
you would rather not understand or think about the problems the new tech solves 
or benefits it provides.

To be motivated to do something you have to have a reason or goal.

Most all goal seeking behavior in business can be put two buckets: 1) revenue 
at risk and 2) revenue enabled.

i.e. one is going away from pain and the other is going towards a reward.

Making a plan is based on your perception of current and future events.

At scale the market does a whole lot of testing of economic fitness functions 
that are the result of the decisions of each of our companies makes about what 
all of this means.

If you were an independent telephone company around 1955 to 1965 with relay 
based switches deciding when and if and why to use DTMF or a variant, I'm sure 
there was exactly the same dynamic.  Situation: telecom company with old 
technology that was still working trying to decide what to do.

I mean, your phones still worked on that day you were starting out the window 
musing about it.  Why not just go to lunch and forget about it?

While you were out to lunch after putting off deciding what to do about your 
relay switches around the same period of time the global phone system was 
growing at a breakneck speed and the first submarine transatlantic telephone 
cable system was getting run.

Some people won't like this story because it is about making business decisions 
about technology when you aren't sure of the reasons to either do or not do 
something and isn't arguing about some specific concrete reason to add IPv6 
support like: 1) the world has more people than IPv4 addresses or something 2) 
you work for a big company and would like your revenue from the Internet to 
keep growing over the next 10 years uninterrupted due the risk of not 
supporting IPv6 and this is too trivial of a technology decision because the 
incremental cost is so small (compared to all the other fires you have burning) 
to just add support anyway.  I get where you are coming from.

On 3/31/19 4:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Going to play devils advocate.

If frontier has a ton of ipv4 addresses, what benefit is there to them in 
rolling out ipv6?

What benefit is there to you?

On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:11 PM, C. A. Fillekes 
mailto:cfille...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Still it's pretty darn good having real broadband on the farm.  One thing at a 
time.

But, let's start thinking about ways to get Frontier up to speed on the IPv6 
thing.





On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:24 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn 
mailto:aa...@heyaaron.com>> wrote:
You're not alone.

I talked with my local provider about 4 years ago and they said "We will 
probably start looking into IPv6 next year".
I talked with them last month and they said "Yeah, everyone seems to be 
offering it.  I guess I'll have to start reading how to implement it".

I'm sure 2045 will finally be the year of IPv6 everywhere.

-A

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:36 AM C. A. Fillekes 
mailto:cfille...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So by COB yesterday we now officially have FIOS at our farm.

Went from 3Mbps to around 30 measured average.  Yay.

It's a business account, Frontier.  But...still no IPv6.

The new router's capable of it.  What's the hold up?

Customer service's response is "We don't offer that".

RE: FB?

[Luke Guillory]

That’s old.

By Robert Johnson on Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 7:29 PM


Luke

Ns




From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Selphie Keller
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 4:06 PM
To: Mike Hammett
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: FB?

I did see this article indicating they had somehow invalidated their cache in a 
botched deployment of changes - 
https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/more-details-on-todays-outage/431441338919/

On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 06:18, Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
So what happened at Facebook today? I saw one article quoting Roland saying it 
was a route leak, but I haven't seen any other sources that aren't just quoting 
Roland. Usually there are a few independent posts out there by now.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

Re: Issue with Geolocation in Virginia US

[Luke Guillory]

 Neustar reporting, found after I sent the last email. Sorry

https://www.security.neustar/resources/tools/submit-to-global-ip-database



Luke


Ns

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 9, 2019, at 1:02 AM, Raja Sekhar Gullapalli 
mailto:ra...@qti.qualcomm.com>> wrote:

Hi Anthony,

First one already tried & but no response.

Who will help in getting geo updated which shows 3 results as per your email.

Regards,
Raja

go/snitnet or go/itnet to request Network Services.



From: Delacruz, Anthony B 
mailto:anthony.delac...@centurylink.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:28 AM
To: Raja Sekhar Gullapalli 
mailto:ra...@qti.qualcomm.com>>; 
nanog@nanog.org
Subject: [EXT] RE: Issue with Geolocation in Virginia US

This sometimes helps

https://support.google.com/websearch/contact/ip

you should probably also seek out getting geo updated on at least 3 different 
ones you have 3 different results.

129.46.232.65
ip2location Raleigh NC
neustarbutler TN
maxmind Bridgewater NJ

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Raja Sekhar Gullapalli
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 11:32 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Issue with Geolocation in Virginia US

Team,

We are having issues in our Virginia US office & it shows geolocation in all 
browsers as Canada instead of US region when we access 
news.google.com in our PC.

Our public ip is 129.46.232.65. This issue is being observed for more than 2 
month.

Can you help to whom we can contact to resolve the issue.


Regards,
Raja


This communication is the property of CenturyLink and may contain confidential 
or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is strictly 
prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in 
error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all 
copies of the communication and any attachments.

Re: Issue with Geolocation in Virginia US

[Luke Guillory]

Maxmind


https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/

Luke


Ns



Sent from my iPad

On Mar 9, 2019, at 1:02 AM, Raja Sekhar Gullapalli 
mailto:ra...@qti.qualcomm.com>> wrote:

Hi Anthony,

First one already tried & but no response.

Who will help in getting geo updated which shows 3 results as per your email.

Regards,
Raja

go/snitnet or go/itnet to request Network Services.



From: Delacruz, Anthony B 
mailto:anthony.delac...@centurylink.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:28 AM
To: Raja Sekhar Gullapalli 
mailto:ra...@qti.qualcomm.com>>; 
nanog@nanog.org
Subject: [EXT] RE: Issue with Geolocation in Virginia US

This sometimes helps

https://support.google.com/websearch/contact/ip

you should probably also seek out getting geo updated on at least 3 different 
ones you have 3 different results.

129.46.232.65
ip2location Raleigh NC
neustarbutler TN
maxmind Bridgewater NJ

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Raja Sekhar Gullapalli
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 11:32 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Issue with Geolocation in Virginia US

Team,

We are having issues in our Virginia US office & it shows geolocation in all 
browsers as Canada instead of US region when we access 
news.google.com in our PC.

Our public ip is 129.46.232.65. This issue is being observed for more than 2 
month.

Can you help to whom we can contact to resolve the issue.


Regards,
Raja


This communication is the property of CenturyLink and may contain confidential 
or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is strictly 
prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in 
error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all 
copies of the communication and any attachments.

RE: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform

[Luke Guillory]

Here is what you get.


resultDate

ipAddress

country

region

city

latitude

longitude

serverId

serverName

userAgent

connectionType

ispName

ispNameRaw

download (Kbps)

upload (Kbps)

ping (ms)

jitter

testId






From: Mike Hammett [mailto:na...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 11:25 AM
To: Luke Guillory
Cc: NANOG; Aaron Gould; Colton Conor
Subject: Re: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform

I haven't seen the level of reporting on the paid service because I don't have 
it, but I get reporting on a free, public server.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
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From: "Luke Guillory" 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>>
To: "Aaron Gould" mailto:aar...@gvtc.com>>, "Colton Conor" 
mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>>
Cc: "NANOG" mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 11:22:21 AM
Subject: RE: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform
The paid version gives you access to all the reporting from the test ran 
against your server.


Luke


Ns







From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Gould
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 11:18 AM
To: 'Colton Conor'
Cc: 'NANOG'
Subject: RE: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform

I think the motivation for the paid/onsite version of ookla was so that we 
could say how good our customers speed is, without going through the internet.  
We can’t control utilization on the Internet, but we can internally.

-Aaron

From: Colton Conor [mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:37 AM
To: Aaron Gould
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform

Aaron,

How does the https://account.speedtestcustom.com/login  differ from hosting a 
speedtest.net<http://speedtest.net> server as an ISP, and letting anyone test 
through it? Seems the speedtest custom is a paid option, but hosting a 
speedtest.net<http://speedtest.net> server is free if you allow it to the 
public domain. Sure it uses up bandwidth (which I am sure you have a ton of), 
so I don't see the point of having a custom one?

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Aaron Gould 
mailto:aar...@gvtc.com>> wrote:
https://github.com/adolfintel/speedtest - one drawback we’ve seen is upload 
test has issues on some iphones (maybe other mobile devices) in safari, but I 
think chrome might work, unsure

https://account.speedtestcustom.com/login - ookla customer speedtest – we have 
this running *internally* in our network on VM and also bare-metal, this is 
where our customers test locally

Iperf  - us engineers used it

wifiperf – us engineers used it

-Aaron

RE: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform

[Luke Guillory]

The paid version gives you access to all the reporting from the test ran 
against your server.


Luke


Ns





From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Gould
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 11:18 AM
To: 'Colton Conor'
Cc: 'NANOG'
Subject: RE: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform

I think the motivation for the paid/onsite version of ookla was so that we 
could say how good our customers speed is, without going through the internet.  
We can’t control utilization on the Internet, but we can internally.

-Aaron

From: Colton Conor [mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:37 AM
To: Aaron Gould
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform

Aaron,

How does the https://account.speedtestcustom.com/login  differ from hosting a 
speedtest.net server as an ISP, and letting anyone test 
through it? Seems the speedtest custom is a paid option, but hosting a 
speedtest.net server is free if you allow it to the 
public domain. Sure it uses up bandwidth (which I am sure you have a ton of), 
so I don't see the point of having a custom one?

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Aaron Gould 
mailto:aar...@gvtc.com>> wrote:
https://github.com/adolfintel/speedtest - one drawback we’ve seen is upload 
test has issues on some iphones (maybe other mobile devices) in safari, but I 
think chrome might work, unsure

https://account.speedtestcustom.com/login - ookla customer speedtest – we have 
this running *internally* in our network on VM and also bare-metal, this is 
where our customers test locally

Iperf  - us engineers used it

wifiperf – us engineers used it

-Aaron

Re: CenturyLink

[Luke Guillory]

We have a few s600’s deployed as well, rock solid and van handle 10k+ queries a 
second.


ns



Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Matthew Huff mailto:mh...@ox.com>> 
wrote:

We use an older model of 
https://www.microsemi.com/product-directory/enterprise-network-time-servers/4117-syncserver-s600
 with rubidium oscillator. Not cheap, but hardened and extremely accurate.


Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd
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OTA Management LLC   | Phone: 914-460-4039

From: Shawn L [mailto:sha...@up.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 9:40 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Cc: Matthew Huff mailto:mh...@ox.com>>; 
l...@satchell.net
Subject: Re: CenturyLink


Speaking of GPS-enabled NTP appliances, etc. wondering what hardware people are 
using for this.



thanks






-Original Message-
From: "Raymond Burkholder" mailto:r...@oneunified.net>>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 12:01pm
To: "Matthew Huff" mailto:mh...@ox.com>>, 
"l...@satchell.net" 
mailto:l...@satchell.net>>, 
"nanog@nanog.org" 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: CenturyLink

On 2018-12-29 7:51 a.m., Matthew Huff wrote:
> We have two stratum-1 servers synced with GPS and a PTP feed from a provider 
> that also provides PTP to market data systems, but we still have to monitor 
> drift between system time and NIST time. Don't ask for the logic behind it, 
> it's a regulation, not a technical requirement.
>
On one occasion, due to bad firmware or a configuration issue, I have
seen GPS stratum 1 diverge from NTP.  It was somewhat eye brow raising
to the company.  My NTP monitored servers were shown to be diverging
their GPS/NTP, but after looking at twice or thrice, it was the other
way around.

Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)

[Luke Guillory]

No cost affective 10x10G to 100G muxponder?



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:46 AM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

heh, cross connects are indeed a major issue. I have a need for > 10G 
transport. My equipment supports 40G. The carriers aren't terribly interested 
in doing 40G transport (at least not at a reasonable price, one quote was over 
4x a 10G). 100G-capable switches cost too much. Equinix charges as much for a 
pair of cross connects as a 10G wave. Carriers aren't likely to be interested 
in using bidi optics or passive WDM to overcome the ridiculous cross connect 
charges.

This all complicates how one chooses transport. There's no easy path forward.



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From: "Eric Dugas" mailto:edu...@unknowndevice.ca>>
To: "Mehmet Akcin" mailto:meh...@akcin.net>>
Cc: "nanog" mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:42:53 AM
Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)

I also look at hand-off locations (as long as it doesn't compromise the overall 
robustness of the design).

Most providers will be able to hand-off in the BMMR of a carrier hotel and some 
will have the flexibility to hand-off in particular suites within the same 
building or other locations near where the cross-connects fees are lower. I've 
seen cross-connect fees between $50 up to $750 MRC so if you need multiple 
wavelengths (for capacity), the cross-connect fees are going to make a huge 
difference on the total MRC.

Eric



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On Dec 14 2018, at 12:17 pm, Mehmet Akcin 
mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote:
Thank you everyone incredible amounts of responses for my how to choose a 
transit provider smail earlier.

How do you choose transport & backbone?

Looking at key aspects like route information, diversity, aerial vs under 
ground fiber, age of fiber, outage history, length, but what else?

I will get both transport and transit as two seperate blogs.

I will also submit as a nanog paper for the meeting after next, or maybe next? 
I am probably too late by now.

Thank you for all your help. I will add your names to the thank you line ;-)
--
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Sprint Wireless

[Luke Guillory]

Anyone from Sprint on here that can help or direct me to a contact that can 
help with trunk issues into a tandem? Running out of options trying to get them 
to sort of their issues for their customers.



Thanks
Luke



Ns

RE: Inbound Call Issues

[Luke Guillory]

Yes but I’m in South Louisiana, we’re only seeing issues with Sprint Cell 
inbound at the moment. I think someone mentioned T-Mobile but haven’t 
confirmed. We’ve reached out to ATT since the calls are coming into the tandem, 
they’ve kicked the ticket to maintenance group.

We’ve also opened a ticket up with Sprint today, don’t think anything has come 
of it yet.




Luke


ns



From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Will Duquette
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:31 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Inbound Call Issues

Has anyone had issues reported over the last few weeks from customers with 
inbound calls in the Northeast reporting the following:

1. Long call setup
2. No ring back or very delayed ring back (Post Dial Delay)
3. Delayed audio in calls.  Persons on each end maybe talking over each other.
4. Multiple call logs showing up for a single call in logs.

We have been engaging multiple providers (CCI, Spectrum, Windstream and Onvoy) 
and have been making some progress but are looking to see if anyone else is 
experiencing the same issues.

Thanks,

--
Will Duquette
Network Engineer II
GWI

Office:   207-602-1228
Cell:  207-590-2084
Fax:  207-282-5036
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RE: Proving Gig Speed

[Luke Guillory]

https://isp.google.com

Thought I think this is only for when you have peering, someone can correct me 
if that's incorrect.

ns





-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of K. Scott Helms
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 8:45 AM
To: Mike Hammett
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed

Mike,

What portal would that be?  Do you have a URL?

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Check your Google portal for more information as to what Google can do
> with BGP Communities related to reporting.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "K. Scott Helms" 
> To: "mark tinka" 
> Cc: "NANOG list" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:40:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
>
> Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is
> (and can only) measure the speeds from point A to point B (often both
> inside the service provider's network) when the customer is concerned
> with traffic to and from point C off in someone else's network
> altogether. It's one of the reasons that I think we have to get more
> comfortable and more collaborative with the CDN providers as well as
> the large sources of traffic. Netflix, Youtube, and I'm sure others
> have their own consumer facing performance testing that is _much_ more
> applicable to most consumers as compared to the "normal" technician
> test and measurement approach or even the service assurance that you
> get from normal performance monitoring. What I'd really like to see is
> a way to measure network performance from the CO/head end/PoP and also
> get consumer level reporting from these kinds of services. If
> Google/Netflix/Amazon Video/$others would get on board with this idea
> it would make all our lives simpler.
>
> Providing individual users stats is nice, but if these guys really
> want to improve service it would be great to get aggregate reporting
> by ASN. You can get a rough idea by looking at your overall graph from
> Google, but it's lacking a lot of detail and there's no simple way to
> compare that to a head end/CO test versus specific end users.
>
> https://www.google.com/get/videoqualityreport/
> https://fast.com/#
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:27 AM Mark Tinka  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 18/Jul/18 14:00, K. Scott Helms wrote:
> >
> >
> > That's absolutely a concern Mark, but most of the CPE vendors that
> support
> > doing this are providing enough juice to keep up with their max
> > forwarding/routing data rates. I don't see 10 Gbps in residential
> Internet
> > service being normal for quite a long time off even if the port
> > itself
> is
> > capable of 10Gbps. We have this issue today with commercial
> > customers,
> but
> > it's generally not as a much of a problem because the commercial CPE
> > get their usage graphed and the commercial CPE have more
> > capabilities for testing.
> >
> >
> > I suppose the point I was trying to make is when does it stop being
> > feasible to test each and every piece of bandwidth you deliver to a
> > customer? It may very well not be 10Gbps... perhaps it's 2Gbps, or
> 3.2Gbps,
> > or 5.1Gbps... basically, the rabbit hole.
> >
> > Like Saku, I am more interested in other fundamental metrics that
> > could impact throughput such as latency, packet loss and jitter.
> > Bandwidth, itself, is easy to measure with your choice of SNMP poller + 5 
> > minutes.
> But
> > when you're trying to explain to a simple customer buying 100Mbps
> > that a break in your Skype video cannot be diagnosed with a
> > throughput speed
> test,
> > they don't/won't get it.
> >
> > In Africa, for example, customers in only one of our markets are so
> > obsessed with speed tests. But not to speed test servers that are
> > in-country... they want to test servers that sit in Europe, North
> America,
> > South America and Asia-Pac. With the latency averaging between 140ms
> > - 400ms across all of those regions from source, the amount of
> > energy
> spent
> > explaining to customers that there is no way you can saturate your
> > delivered capacity beyond a couple of Mbps using Ookla and friends
> > is energy I could spend drinking wine and having a medium-rare
> > steak,
> instead.
> >
> > For us, at least, aside from going on a mass education drive in this
> > particular market, the ultimate solution is just getting all that
> content
> > localized in-country or in-region. Once that latency comes down and
> > the resources are available locally, the whole speed test debacle
> > will
> easily
> > fall away, because the source of these speed tests is simply how
> physically
> > far the content is. Is this an easy task - hell no; but slamming
> > your
> head
> > against a wall over and over is no fun either.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
>
>

RE: Tunable QSFP Optics

[Luke Guillory]

Seeing that it seems I’m misunderstanding things, so I went grab a meter and 
checked what was leaving. Both of the 100g SFPs were only outputting on 1310, 
while the 40g showed each of the 4 lanes.

100GBASE-LR4 QSFP28 Transceiver Module (SMF, 1310nm, 10km, LC, DOM)
Optical Components   DML 1310nm


Juniper 100GBASE-ER4, Showing 1310 as the only color leaving.


Parameter

100GBASE-ER4

Optical interface

Single-mode

Standard

IEEE 802.3ba-2010

Maximum distance

SMF cable, 40 km (24.9 miles)

Transmitter wavelength per lane

1294.53 through 1296.59 nm
1299.02 through 1301.09 nm
1303.54 through 1305.63 nm
1308.09 through 1310.19 nm






40GBASE-LR4 Compatible 40GBASE-LR4 QSFP+ Transceiver Module (SMF, 1310nm, 10km, 
LC, DOM)
Optical Components   DFB CWDM



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From: Hunter Fuller [mailto:hf0002+na...@uah.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 2:28 PM
To: Luke Guillory
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Tunable QSFP Optics

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:53 AM Luke Guillory 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>> wrote:
They still leave the transceiver as a single 1310, the lanes color isn't ever 
expose since the mux takes place within the transceiver. When I looked into 
this for 40g and 100g I found no way to passively do it.

Luke,
Can you link a document that corroborates this? I can only find ones that show 
it as 4 separate lanes and 4 separate colors, visible on the actual output.
Example: 
https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog44/presentations/Monday/Hankins_100gbe_update_N44.pdf
 slide 11

This is also what I've observed anecdotally, but there could be other 
explanations, I am admittedly not an expert.
--

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Office of Information Technology
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RE: Tunable QSFP Optics

[Luke Guillory]

No, though the lane colors are irrelevant since we only care about the final 
output color. Why the lanes can’t be muxed into another output color I’m not 
sure, I can only find specs listed for the lanes but nothing for the final mux 
leaving the transceiver.






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From: Lewis,Mitchell T. [mailto:ml-na...@techcompute.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:56 AM
To: Luke Guillory
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Tunable QSFP Optics

So you weren't able to find anyone that uses different lane colors?(As an 
example 1550). I am not looking to mux alongside 10g waves, I am just looking 
to put 3 or 4 on a single fiber pair.

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From: "Luke Guillory" 
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To: "Lewis,Mitchell T." 
mailto:ml-na...@techcompute.net>>, "NANOG" 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2018 12:53:07
Subject: RE: Tunable QSFP Optics

They still leave the transceiver as a single 1310, the lanes color isn't ever 
expose since the mux takes place within the transceiver. When I looked into 
this for 40g and 100g I found no way to passively do it.






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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lewis,Mitchell T.
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:42 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: Tunable QSFP Optics

Let me clarify a bit-I understand that 40GBase-LR4 uses 4 10g 
wavelengths(lanes) which typically are:
1264.5- 1277.5 nm
1284.5–1297.5 nm
1304.5–1317.5 nm
1324.5–1337.5 nm
My question is are there any vendors that make optics which 4 
wavelengths(lanes) are something other than those typically used by 40GBase-LR4?


Regards,

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From: "Lewis,Mitchell T." 
mailto:ml-na...@techcompute.net>>
To: "NANOG" mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2018 12:27:13
Subject: Tunable QSFP Optics

Does anyone know if any Single Mode QSFPs exist on the market that use 
wavelengths other than 1310nm (either self tunable or factory tuned)? I am 
looking to put more than one 40gb link on a fiber pair similar to using DWDM 
OADMs for 1g & 10g bu

RE: Tunable QSFP Optics

[Luke Guillory]

They still leave the transceiver as a single 1310, the lanes color isn't ever 
expose since the mux takes place within the transceiver. When I looked into 
this for 40g and 100g I found no way to passively do it.






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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lewis,Mitchell T.
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:42 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: Tunable QSFP Optics

Let me clarify a bit-I understand that 40GBase-LR4 uses 4 10g 
wavelengths(lanes) which typically are:
1264.5- 1277.5 nm
1284.5–1297.5 nm
1304.5–1317.5 nm
1324.5–1337.5 nm
My question is are there any vendors that make optics which 4 
wavelengths(lanes) are something other than those typically used by 40GBase-LR4?


Regards,

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From: "Lewis,Mitchell T." 
To: "NANOG" 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2018 12:27:13
Subject: Tunable QSFP Optics

Does anyone know if any Single Mode QSFPs exist on the market that use 
wavelengths other than 1310nm (either self tunable or factory tuned)? I am 
looking to put more than one 40gb link on a fiber pair similar to using DWDM 
OADMs for 1g & 10g but can't seem to find any qsfp optics that don't use 1310nm.

Thanks.


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RE: Tunable QSFP Optics

[Luke Guillory]

I believe the 40g and 100g optics are already muxing 4 channels within the 
transceiver before outputting it to 1310.

https://community.fs.com/blog/40gbase-lr4-qsfp-transceiver-links-cwdm-and-psm.html






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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lewis,Mitchell T.
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:27 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Tunable QSFP Optics

Does anyone know if any Single Mode QSFPs exist on the market that use 
wavelengths other than 1310nm (either self tunable or factory tuned)? I am 
looking to put more than one 40gb link on a fiber pair similar to using DWDM 
OADMs for 1g & 10g but can't seem to find any qsfp optics that don't use 1310nm.

Thanks.


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Equinix Fire Alarm - IBX was Evacuated

[Luke Guillory]

Just got this.




Dear Equinix Customer,

IBX(s): DA6
IBX Address: 1950 North Stemmons Freeway Suites 2049 & 3050 Dallas, TX 75207
Ticket#: 5-152980676699
Date and Time of Occurrence: 17-MAY-2018 14:04 Site Local Time

INCIDENT SUMMARY: Fire Alarm - IBX was Evacuated

INCIDENT DESCRIPTION:

Equinix IBX Site Staff reports that a fire alarm has been triggered and the IBX 
is being evacuated. IBX Engineers are currently investigating the issue.



Next update will be when a significant change to the situation occurs.

Sincerely,
Equinix Service Desk




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RE: Suggestion for Layer 3, all SFP+ switches

[Luke Guillory]

Juniper ACX 5048 is what we use though you need to license 10g ports 
(ACX5K-L-1X10GE) and VPN (ACX5K-L-IPVPN)


QFX does MPLS but I'm pretty sure it doesn't do VPLs.



ns





-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Martin
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Suggestion for Layer 3, all SFP+ switches

On 04/18/2018 03:49 PM, Eric Litvin wrote:
> Brocade/arris is eager for business these days. They have a nice switch  (10g 
> ports with 40g stacking) that should meet your needs with very aggressive 
> pricing.

Does the Brocade/Foundry-lineage stuff that went to Arris actually do MPLS?  I 
didn't think ICX did any MPLS.

The SLX (and MLX) line that went to Extreme does but is perhaps overkill (it 
will also do Internet-scale FIB).  The SLX9540 is a 48 port SFP+ pizza box that 
also has 6 40/100Gb QSFP+/28 ports on it.  You'd need the "advanced feature" 
license for MPLS, and I don't know how mature the MPLS code is.  Pricing I've 
seen is pretty good for what you get, but again it may be overkill.

Juniper has some nice boxes in the EX series with at least MPLS L2-endpoint 
functionality that might also be an option for this sort of thing, but I don't 
know any models off the top of my head.
--
Brandon Martin

RE: CDN-provided caching platforms?

[Luke Guillory]

Concurrent is one of them, we use Qwilt but that will get expensive really 
quick with their licensing.

https://www.concurrent.com/laguna-cache/




Luke

ns






-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:41 AM
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: CDN-provided caching platforms?

Wondering the same, but for IXes.

There's an open caching server effort, but open seems to be relative. They 
still want you to spend a boatload of money for a box from one of their 
vendors. I forget its name at the moment.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

- Original Message -

From: "Russell Berg" 
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:26:24 PM
Subject: CDN-provided caching platforms?

I work for a regional Midwestern US "Tier 2" ISP that provides both wholesale 
and enterprise Internet connectivity. We have caching platforms in place from 
the likes of Akamai, Google, Netflix, and Facebook; I was wondering if there 
are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying? 
PM me if more appropriate...

TIA

Russ

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RE: How are you configuring BFD timers?

[Luke Guillory]

He's asking because if it was dark the interface would go down when the link 
was lost and the router would pull routes. But PA to FL would lead me to 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:31 AM
To: Job Snijders (External); Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr
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Subject: RE: How are you configuring BFD timers?

To speed up BGP routing convergence.  The (2x) dark fiber links from PA to FL 
are being used as Layer3 datacenter interconnects, where each datacenter has 
its own AS.  The DF is also carrying FCIP traffic, so we need failover to be as 
fast as possible.

Best regards,



Alex



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To: Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr
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Subject: Re: How are you configuring BFD timers?

Silly question perhaps, but why would you do BFD on dark fiber?

Kind regards,

Job

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RE: Spiffy Netflow tools?

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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: Spiffy Netflow tools?


On Tue 2018-Mar-13 00:50:26 +0100, Fredrik Korsbäck  wrote:
>
>Kentik is probably top of the foodchain right now.
>
>But they are certainly not alone in the biz. Ontop of my head...
>
>* Flowmon
>* Talaia
>* Arbor Peakflow
>* Deepfield
>* Pmacct + supporting toolkit
>* NFsen/Nfdump/AS-stats
>* Put kibana/ES infront of any collector

Logstash has a netflow plugin as of 5.x or something
(https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/logstash/current/netflow-module.html) to act 
as a collector.

A walkthrough:
http://www.routereflector.com/2017/07/elk-as-a-free-netflow-ipfix-collector-and-visualizer/

Using the logstash module setup thing adds a whole bunch of pretty netflow 
graphs and visualizations and such into Kibana for you.

Caveat:
Supports netflow v5 and v9, but does not indicate support for IPFIX explicitly. 
 It definitely does not support sFlow, though if you really want you can stick 
sflowtool in front of it to translate sFlow->netflow, e.g. 
http://blog.sflow.com/2011/12/sflowtool.html.

>* Solarwinds something something
>* Different vendor toolkits
>
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RE: 1/2u 100g Metro-E Aggregation Switch

[Luke Guillory]

ACX+

5448 seems to be the 48 port 1g/10g with 4x100g

Presentation I'm talking about is a 69 pager from the 2017 Global Tech Summit.






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Thanks, I too saw a 7 page preso, but no mention of 25 gig.  Which one had 
25gig ?

-Aaron

RE: 1/2u 100g Metro-E Aggregation Switch

[Luke Guillory]

The presentation I saw listed the two, 5448 and ACX+ as different products. 
5448 listed as Committed while the ACX+ was listed as Under Planning. They were 
also shown to be targeted at different markets, 1G/10G with 100G and 
10G/25G/100G.



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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Gould
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:58 AM
To: 'Lewis,Mitchell T.'; 'Jerry Jones'
Cc: 'NANOG'
Subject: RE: 1/2u 100g Metro-E Aggregation Switch

I just heard from a Juniper sales person about the ACX5448 (code name ACX5k+ or 
ACX+ or something like that) and about (4) 100 gig ports... also, about another 
ACX5k variant that may have 25 gig (25 gig is something the linux server 
engineer I work with has been talking about in his next datacenter server 
refresh)

Anybody else know anything about ACX5448 (ACX+) ?

-Aaron

RE: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

[Luke Guillory]

Notice that the LOA is only checked off on /24 or larger.




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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Filip Hruska
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 1:13 PM
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Subject: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Hi,

I have stumbled upon this site [1] which seems to offer /27 IPv4 leasing.
They also claim "All of our IPv4 address space can be used on any network in 
any location."

I thought that the smallest prefix size one could get routed globally is /24?
So how does this work?

[1] http://www.forked.net/ip-address-leasing/


Thanks

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Linux System Administrator

Re: 1/2u 100g Metro-E Aggregation Switch

[Luke Guillory]

QFX5110-48S, 4x100 or 4x40 plus 48 SFP+




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On Dec 28, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Lewis,Mitchell T. 
mailto:ml-na...@techcompute.net>> wrote:

Anyone know of any alternatives to the Ciena 5170 Service Aggregation Switch? I 
am looking for something that has 4 100g ports for metro ethernet in a 1/2u 
form factor.



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Re: Definition of ISP vs Transit provider

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Those normally come with ASRs and a tariff from the regulated side of things. 
At least from my experience anyway.

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On 11/22/17 2:50 PM, William Herrin wrote:

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei <
jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca<mailto:jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca>> wrote:
The FCC is about to reclassify "Broadband Internet Access Service" as an
information service instead of Telecommunications Service. This
prombpted the following question which isn't about the FCC action per say.

This is about how does one define Transit provider vs ISP ?
For that matter, how does one distinguish between someone delivering IP 
packets, vs. someone offering frame relay, or ATM - which are clearly telecom 
services?

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Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

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A local dvr caches the channel when someone hits pause, on our multi room dvrs 
it’ll keep 30 minutes of programming.

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Better STBs that cache the stream?




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From: "K. Scott Helms" mailto:kscotthe...@gmail.com>>
To: "Luke Guillory" 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 8:58:38 AM
Subject: Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

Luke,

I think I understand your example but the local broadcaster won't usually
(ever?) have the rights to retransmit the Super Bowl over IP.

Having said that, what you're describing is exactly what happens already
(without multicast) via multiple CDNs. Multicast across the internet isn't
feasible (economically) today. Multicast inside of an organization
certainly is and is very common. Having said that, even popular content is
surprisingly sparse (when we look at flows) and even inside of edge
networks (DOCSIS, FTTH, xDSL, etc) it can be surprisingly challenging to
make the math work. As soon as someone wants to pause the "big game" or
flips to another channel you now have to move their flow to unicast. Even
when lots of people are watching the same event the economics aren't as
compelling as they might appear initially.


On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Luke Guillory 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>>
wrote:

The comment I was originally replying to was the following. I’ve said edge
resources, nothing about WAN.

The content provider (lets say local TV station that broadcasts the

Superbowl) can just unicast to the ISP a single stream, and give the

ISPs some pizza sized box (lets call it an "Appliance") and that box

then provides unicast delivery to each customer watching the Superbowl.





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It's not helpful for saving resources in DOCSIS (nor any other) edge
networks. The economics mean that, as bits get sold in the US and many
other places, it won't be in the foreseeable future. Customers care about
popular video sources. Popular content sources have CDNs with local nodes
and/or direct (low cost) connections to their CDN. That's far more
efficient than allowing multicast across WAN links.

K. Scott Helms



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I’m not paying anything for local resources with regards 

RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

Doesn’t matter how the broadcaster is transmitting, we take in which ever form 
that is done and convert it to match our delivery.

Question on the pausing comment, I can see that being the case on nDVR setups 
where the local STB isn’t doing any of the storage. On a setup where there’s no 
nDVR the box would still be using the same multicast wouldn’t it?


I think I saw a multicast vs unicast comparison on a wisp Facebook group 
talking about what you mention below, was there really an added benefit. Was 
interesting to see the numbers he had come up with in his use case.




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Scott Helms
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 8:59 AM
To: Luke Guillory
Cc: Baldur Norddahl; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

Luke,

I think I understand your example but the local broadcaster won't usually 
(ever?) have the rights to retransmit the Super Bowl over IP.

Having said that, what you're describing is exactly what happens already 
(without multicast) via multiple CDNs.  Multicast across the internet isn't 
feasible (economically) today.  Multicast inside of an organization certainly 
is and is very common.  Having said that, even popular content is surprisingly 
sparse (when we look at flows) and even inside of edge networks (DOCSIS, FTTH, 
xDSL, etc) it can be surprisingly challenging to make the math work.  As soon 
as someone wants to pause the "big game" or flips to another channel you now 
have to move their flow to unicast.  Even when lots of people are watching the 
same event the economics aren't as compelling as they might appear initially.


On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Luke Guillory 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>> wrote:

The comment I was originally replying to was the following. I’ve said edge 
resources, nothing about WAN.

The content provider (lets say local TV station that broadcasts the
Superbowl) can just unicast to the ISP a single stream, and give the

ISPs some pizza sized box (lets call it an "Appliance") and that box

then provides unicast delivery to each customer watching the Superbowl.




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mailto:kscotthe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's not helpful for saving resources in DOCSIS (nor any other) edge networks.  
The economics mean that, as bits get sold in the US and many other places, it 
won't be in the foreseeable future.  Customers care about popular video 
sources.  Popular content sources have CDNs with local nodes and/or direct (low 
cost) connections to their CDN.  That's far more efficient than allowing 
multicast across WAN links.

K. Scott Helms



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I’m not paying anything for local resources with regards to local edge 
delivery, that’s capital expenditures not MRCs.

Our edge networks aren’t unlimited or free, so while it’s not costing me on the 
transit side there still are cost in terms of upgrades and so on.

My point is that In some networks such as docsis conserving edge resources can 
be helped with multicast.



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On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Baldur Norddahl 
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Den 21. nov. 2017 00.42 skrev "Luke Guillory" 
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Why would an ISP not want to conserve edge resources? If I’m doing iptv I’m
better off doing multicast which would conserve loads of BW for something
popular like the Super Bowl. Especia

Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

The comment I was originally replying to was the following. I’ve said edge 
resources, nothing about WAN.

The content provider (lets say local TV station that broadcasts the
Superbowl) can just unicast to the ISP a single stream, and give the
ISPs some pizza sized box (lets call it an "Appliance") and that box
then provides unicast delivery to each customer watching the Superbowl.




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On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:22 AM, K. Scott Helms 
mailto:kscotthe...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It's not helpful for saving resources in DOCSIS (nor any other) edge networks.  
The economics mean that, as bits get sold in the US and many other places, it 
won't be in the foreseeable future.  Customers care about popular video 
sources.  Popular content sources have CDNs with local nodes and/or direct (low 
cost) connections to their CDN.  That's far more efficient than allowing 
multicast across WAN links.

K. Scott Helms




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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Luke Guillory 
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I’m not paying anything for local resources with regards to local edge 
delivery, that’s capital expenditures not MRCs.

Our edge networks aren’t unlimited or free, so while it’s not costing me on the 
transit side there still are cost in terms of upgrades and so on.

My point is that In some networks such as docsis conserving edge resources can 
be helped with multicast.



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On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Baldur Norddahl 
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Den 21. nov. 2017 00.42 skrev "Luke Guillory" 
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Why would an ISP not want to conserve edge resources? If I’m doing iptv I’m
better off doing multicast which would conserve loads of BW for something
popular like the Super Bowl. Especially if I’m doing this over docsis.



You pay for 95th percentile. If that is decided by everyone watching Game
of Thrones one day, then using the same resources for Super Bowl the next
day will be for free.




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Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

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I’m not paying anything for local resources with regards to local edge 
delivery, that’s capital expenditures not MRCs.

Our edge networks aren’t unlimited or free, so while it’s not costing me on the 
transit side there still are cost in terms of upgrades and so on.

My point is that In some networks such as docsis conserving edge resources can 
be helped with multicast.



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Den 21. nov. 2017 00.42 skrev "Luke Guillory" 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>>:

Why would an ISP not want to conserve edge resources? If I’m doing iptv I’m
better off doing multicast which would conserve loads of BW for something
popular like the Super Bowl. Especially if I’m doing this over docsis.



You pay for 95th percentile. If that is decided by everyone watching Game
of Thrones one day, then using the same resources for Super Bowl the next
day will be for free.




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Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

Why would an ISP not want to conserve edge resources? If I’m doing iptv I’m 
better off doing multicast which would conserve loads of BW for something 
popular like the Super Bowl. Especially if I’m doing this over docsis.


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On Nov 20, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei 
mailto:jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca>> wrote:

On 2017-11-20 17:14, Masataka Ohta wrote:

It is merely that third parties should pay ISPs offering multicast
service for them. Amount of payment should be proportional to
bandwidth used and area covered.

Since multicast benefits the ISP the most, why should the ISP charge the
content provider for multicast?

The content provider (lets say local TV station that broadcasts the
Superbowl) can just unicast to the ISP a single stream, and give the
ISPs some pizza sized box (lets call it an "Appliance") and that box
then provides unicast delivery to each customer watching the Superbowl.

The ISP only wins in reduced transit/peering load, but not on the load
on its distribution network.

And with the switch to on-demand programming, one wonders if the cost of
setting up multicast all the way from the "border" to every bit of CPE
equipment is worth it if it is only truly beneficial for the Superbowl
and a couple of Hollywood awards ceremonies per year.





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RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

ESPN thought they could get away with it and are now feeling the push back that 
the end users are fed up with it. Of course being forced into the expanded 
basic tier meant they were part of the last group to feel it though. 

I don't think the current model is cruel as much as the rising price of 
programing has been which is only getting worse. In the end going direct will 
cost the end user more in the long run.  ESPN has lost 100s of thousands of 
customers, being that 80% of their revenue comes from subs leaves a grim 
picture of their business model. Hell they pay 1.9B a year just for  their NFL 
rights with a total of 7.3B a year in rights and production. Of course this 
doesn't drop in price as they bleed customers which also could cause an issue 
for advertising since I believe they have a min eyeball clause in their 
contracts.

And unfortunately we're not able to state specifics when it comes to 
programing, they make sure to state that in our contracts so we can't inform 
customers. 

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Black [mailto:matthew.bl...@csulb.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 10:55 AM
To: Luke Guillory; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

No problem, and thanks for the apology. Cable TV bills get most of us heated. 
100% ala carte pricing may not be the solution, but the current model is pretty 
cruel to subscribers who aren't sports fans. It's likely that a premium sports 
package may have to charge upwards of $50-100 per month since they can no 
longer charge everyone. ESPN subscriber fees have skyrocketed because they can 
get away with charging more, just like HBO. The cable TV industry should be 
much more transparent about costs.


-----Original Message-
From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 8:40 AM
To: Matthew Black; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

I missed the et al, sorry about that. 



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Black [mailto:matthew.bl...@csulb.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 10:30 AM
To: Luke Guillory; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

I wrote ET AL. ESPN costs $9 per month. Throw in Fox Sports and other regional 
sports franchise fees to get $20 a month. And then ESPN double dips by airing 
advertising. HBO and Showtime are commercial free.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cable-satellite-tv-sub-fees-espn-networks-2017-3



-----Original Message-
From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 8:10 AM
To: Matthew Black; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

ESPN's programing fees aren't anywhere near $20 a month, they're not even $10 a 
month. HBO on the other hand is pretty much what the end user pays in terms of 
programing cost. 



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Black [mailto:matthew.bl...@csulb.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Luke Guillory; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

Right now only 25% of cable subscribers watch sports channels like ESPN. But 
100% pay up to $20 a month for ESPN et al. in their monthly subscription fees. 
HBO and Showtime subscribers pay for those premium services. It is well past 
time for sports enthusiasts to pay for their very expensive content in a sports 
premium package.


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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Luke Guillory
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Jean-Francois Mezei; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

This use to be the case.

While it might lower OPX that surely won't result in lower retrans, will just 
be more profit for them.

We're down as well on video subs, this is 99% due to rising prices.

This is where it's heading for sure, in the end it will cost more as well since 
each will be charging more than the per sub rates we're getting charge. They'll 
have to in order to keep revenue the same.

When ESPN offers an OTT product I have no doubt it will be near the $20 per 
month, for 5 channels or so?



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RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

I missed the et al, sorry about that. 



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Black [mailto:matthew.bl...@csulb.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 10:30 AM
To: Luke Guillory; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

I wrote ET AL. ESPN costs $9 per month. Throw in Fox Sports and other regional 
sports franchise fees to get $20 a month. And then ESPN double dips by airing 
advertising. HBO and Showtime are commercial free.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cable-satellite-tv-sub-fees-espn-networks-2017-3



-Original Message-
From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 8:10 AM
To: Matthew Black; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

ESPN's programing fees aren't anywhere near $20 a month, they're not even $10 a 
month. HBO on the other hand is pretty much what the end user pays in terms of 
programing cost. 



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Black [mailto:matthew.bl...@csulb.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Luke Guillory; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

Right now only 25% of cable subscribers watch sports channels like ESPN. But 
100% pay up to $20 a month for ESPN et al. in their monthly subscription fees. 
HBO and Showtime subscribers pay for those premium services. It is well past 
time for sports enthusiasts to pay for their very expensive content in a sports 
premium package.


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Luke Guillory
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Jean-Francois Mezei; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

This use to be the case.

While it might lower OPX that surely won't result in lower retrans, will just 
be more profit for them.

We're down as well on video subs, this is 99% due to rising prices.

This is where it's heading for sure, in the end it will cost more as well since 
each will be charging more than the per sub rates we're getting charge. They'll 
have to in order to keep revenue the same.

When ESPN offers an OTT product I have no doubt it will be near the $20 per 
month, for 5 channels or so?



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RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

ESPN's programing fees aren't anywhere near $20 a month, they're not even $10 a 
month. HBO on the other hand is pretty much what the end user pays in terms of 
programing cost. 



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Black [mailto:matthew.bl...@csulb.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Luke Guillory; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

Right now only 25% of cable subscribers watch sports channels like ESPN. But 
100% pay up to $20 a month for ESPN et al. in their monthly subscription fees. 
HBO and Showtime subscribers pay for those premium services. It is well past 
time for sports enthusiasts to pay for their very expensive content in a sports 
premium package.


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Luke Guillory
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Jean-Francois Mezei; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

This use to be the case.

While it might lower OPX that surely won't result in lower retrans, will just 
be more profit for them.

We're down as well on video subs, this is 99% due to rising prices.

This is where it's heading for sure, in the end it will cost more as well since 
each will be charging more than the per sub rates we're getting charge. They'll 
have to in order to keep revenue the same.

When ESPN offers an OTT product I have no doubt it will be near the $20 per 
month, for 5 channels or so?



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Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

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Because local OTA channels are probably most of what people want live outside 
of sporting events.



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On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Baldur Norddahl 
mailto:baldur.nordd...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Much live programming could be done without significant additional burden
if the community could agree on multicast delivery standards.




Does multicast have any future? Netflix, YouTube, et al does not use it.
People want instant replay and a catalogue to select from. Except for sport
events, live TV has no advantage so why even try to optimize for it?




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Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

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Google, Akamai and others.

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On Nov 17, 2017, at 5:56 PM, shawn wilson 
mailto:ag4ve...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Besides Netflix, does anyone else offer CDN boxes for their services?

I'm also guessing that most content won't benefit from multicast to homes too 
much?

I can see where multicast benefits sports and news (and probably catching 
commercials for people). But in a world where I'm more than happy to pay Amazon 
$25-40 a show/season to avoid commercials, I'm guessing live/broadcast TV will 
get even less popular (I get news via YouTube - so that's not even live for me 
anymore).




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On Nov 17, 2017 18:03, "Luke Guillory" 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>> wrote:
This use to be the case.

While it might lower OPX that surely won't result in lower retrans, will just 
be more profit for them.

We're down as well on video subs, this is 99% due to rising prices.

This is where it's heading for sure, in the end it will cost more as well since 
each will be charging more than the per sub rates we're getting charge. They'll 
have to in order to keep revenue the same.

When ESPN offers an OTT product I have no doubt it will be near the $20 per 
month, for 5 channels or so?



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RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

This use to be the case.

While it might lower OPX that surely won't result in lower retrans, will just 
be more profit for them.

We're down as well on video subs, this is 99% due to rising prices.

This is where it's heading for sure, in the end it will cost more as well since 
each will be charging more than the per sub rates we're getting charge. They'll 
have to in order to keep revenue the same.

When ESPN offers an OTT product I have no doubt it will be near the $20 per 
month, for 5 channels or so?



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RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

We have 1 channel out of 15 or so that's still a must carry, the others dropped 
that once they knew cable ops needed them so they went with the "well charge 
instead of requiring you to carry us" route.





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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jameson, Daniel
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:46 PM
To: Jean-Francois Mezei; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

In the US certain channels have the *must Carry* designation.  Which puts a 
retransmitter in a poor negotiating position,  essentially the provider can 
charge whatever they want.

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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois Mezei
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:28 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Broadcast television in an IP world

On 2017-11-17 16:37, Luke Guillory wrote:
> Have you seen what the OTA guys charge for retrans rights? They don't
> want to do this,


Fair point. Coming from Canada, OTA stations, because are freely available, 
can't charge distributors (BDUs (MVPDs in USA) so their revenues are purely 
from advertising.

So that changes the equation. If going OTT allows them to shut down their OTA 
transmitters (and not pay for conversion to ATSC3) it could result in lower 
operating costs.

In canada, BDU subsriptions are down and if the trend continues, NOT making 
programming available on the net means you miss the boat.


In the USA, perhaps OTA stations could go to subscription model pn Internet to 
replace the MVPDs revenues and end retrans disputes.?

RE: Broadcast television in an IP world

[Luke Guillory]

Have you seen what the OTA guys charge for retrans rights? They don't want to 
do this, I'd also bet their end game is to stop offering their feeds OTA in the 
end. Our retrans is going up 50% starting the 1st of the year which is just 
insane.

I can also state that one of them specifically mentions alternative ways to 
receive their signals which I can assure you isn't related to quality. We have 
fiber to 1 OTA broadcaster, but also have to pay to get there since we're not 
near their studio.


So while everyone is hell bent on blaming the cable companies for pricing, the 
only ones to blame are the programmers who continue to increase their rates. On 
top of that OTT is a pain requiring separate apps for every channel, awful 
buggy apps at that.





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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois Mezei
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 1:46 PM
To: Nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Broadcast television in an IP world


Once ISPs became able to provide sufficient speeds to end users, video over the 
internet became a thing.

This week, the FCC approved the ATSC3 standard.

What if instead of moving to ATSC3, TV stations that broadcast OTA became OTT 
instead?  Could the Internet handle the load?

Since TV stations that are OTA are "local", wouldn't this create an instant CDN 
service for networks such as CBS/ABC/NBS/FOX/PBS since these networks have 
local presence and can feed ISPs locally?

And while a small ISP serving Plattsburg NY would have no problem peering with 
the WPTZ server in Plattsburg, would the big guys like Comcast/Verizon be 
amenable to peering with TV stations in small markets?

Some of them would also be selling transit to the TV station (for instance, to 
serve its Canadian audience, WPTZ would need transit to go outside of 
Comcast/Frontier and reach canadian IP networks).

But a local TV station whose footprint is served by the local ISPs may not need 
any transit.

The PAY TV servives, if HBO is any indication will also move OTT, but be served 
in the more traditional way, with a central feed of content going to a CDN 
which has presence that is local to large ISPs (or inside ISPs).


We the traditional BDU (canada) MVPD (USA) is abandonned by the public and TV 
stations , PAY TV services and SVOD services such as Netflix are all on the 
Internet, would this represent a huge change in load, or just incremental 
growth, especially if local TV stations are served locally?


Just curious to see if the current OTA and Cable distribution models will/could 
morph into IP based services, eliminating the "cable TV" service.

RE: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

[Luke Guillory]

These guys seem to be a white box solution for Optical. https://www.lumentum.com

I see that Juniper and Infinera have both worked on solutions to work on their 
hardware.







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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of LF OD
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 1:01 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

We have several buildings and a couple data centers spread around the city and 
interconnected via dark fiber. It's a very simple setup - no ROADM, no real 
ring, no extended layer-2 or layer-3 via the optical gear.


Pretty much we just mux/demux a channel for each building so that each building 
sees the two data centers directly even though the fiber span may wind through 
a couple buildings along the way. In some cases, the distance is short enough 
to use colored optics in the network gear, but mostly the distances are just 
long enough to warrant transponder cards.


All that being said, a lot of the gear is approaching end of life (support in 
some cases). I'm not an optical guru but I can muddle my way through with Cisco 
ONS and I'm aware that Ciena and Fujitsu also have similar products. We really 
don't have budget for a large optical refresh effort. However, we've saved some 
money here and there in the routing/switching arena by leveraging Arista and 
even Cumulus. I'm wondering if there are smaller players in the optical arena 
that have a good quality/price value?


Again, we don't need sophisticated features... we primarily have 2-to-4 1Gb and 
10Gb ports required per site, then we mux those onto a wavelength and extend it 
to the two data centers. Most buildings are set up the same way, each on a 
different wavelength so the don't even see each other... only the data centers.


If you guys know of any optical gear that you can vouch for (and which costs 
less than a small house), we would greatly appreciate it. Thanks


LFOD

RE: IOS new versions and network load

[Luke Guillory]

We use a commercial product from https://qwilt.com/.  Here is some info for the 
month of August, while it does reduce transit the customers are also getting 
better speeds when it comes from us. We span links from our core to the server 
in order to get visibility into the server, this does cause some issues since 
we’ve expanded our core outside of one location.


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From: Marco Slater [mailto:ma...@marcoslater.com]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:58 AM
To: Paul Stewart; Mike Hammett; Luke Guillory
Cc: Nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: IOS new versions and network load

While we don’t use Apple's caching servers we do have transparent caching in 
place which nets us about 82% of their content being serverd locally. On a big 
IOS update it will probably be close to 99% for that one title.

Would you be open to elaborating a bit on how that’s set up on your network? :)

Regards,
Marco Slater

On 18 Sep 2017, 14:55 +0100, Luke Guillory 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>>, wrote:

While we don’t use Apple's caching servers we do have transparent caching in 
place which nets us about 82% of their content being serverd locally. On a big 
IOS update it will probably be close to 99% for that one title.







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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:53 AM
To: Mike Hammett
Cc: Nanog@nanog.org<mailto:Nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: IOS new versions and network load

Curious as mentioned if anyone doing this on scale? I kind of doubt it but love 
to hear otherwise. My assumption is this is more Enterprise focused than ISP

Paul

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

We've been looking into the caching server bit lately given that we're not due 
to get an official Apple node for at least another year yet.

It looks very difficult to manage, given the DNS TXT records and domain search 
fields. If it was as simple as entering the supported IP ranges, it'd be a lot 
easier to implement.

The caching service does support a lot more than content than "once a
year" https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204675




-
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Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

- Original Message -

From: "Jean-Francois Mezei" 

RE: IOS new versions and network load

[Luke Guillory]

While we don’t use Apple's caching servers we do have transparent caching in 
place which nets us about 82% of their content being serverd locally. On a big 
IOS update it will probably be close to 99% for that one title.







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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:53 AM
To: Mike Hammett
Cc: Nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: IOS new versions and network load

Curious as mentioned if anyone doing this on scale?  I kind of doubt it but 
love to hear otherwise.  My assumption is this is more Enterprise focused than 
ISP

Paul

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> We've been looking into the caching server bit lately given that we're not 
> due to get an official Apple node for at least another year yet.
>
> It looks very difficult to manage, given the DNS TXT records and domain 
> search fields. If it was as simple as entering the supported IP ranges, it'd 
> be a lot easier to implement.
>
> The caching service does support a lot more than content than "once a
> year" https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204675
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Jean-Francois Mezei" 
> To: "Eduardo Schoedler" 
> Cc: Nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:43:50 PM
> Subject: Re: IOS new versions and network load
>
>> On 2017-09-17 19:37, Eduardo Schoedler wrote:
>>
>> Server is an app now, any MacOS can have it running.
>
> But do carriers/ISPs really want to deal with a rack unfriendly Mac
> Mini or iMac at a carrier hotel? If the Server App could run on Linux,
> or if OS-X could boot on standard servers, perhaps, it it seems to be
> a very bad fit in carrier/enterprise environments.
>
>> Implementation will be a little tricky, because you need your
>> customers to look a record in your domain.
>
>
> I've tried reading some about it.
> The cache server app registers with Apple its existence and the IP
> address ranges it serves
>
> When a client wants to download new IOS version, Apple checked and
> finds that the client's IP is served by the caching server whose
> "local" IP is a.b.c.d (akaL the inside NAT IP address). Tells client
> to get version of software from that IP address.
>
> The DNS TXT records are used by the Caching Server to get the list of
> IP blocks it can serve. (not needed in the target small office
> environments where everyone is on same subnet and the caching server
> can tell the apple serves the one subnet it seves).
>
>

Re: Comparing Backbone providers from support POV

[Luke Guillory]

Check this thread out.

https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/091852.html

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Bassem Fawzi 
mailto:bfa...@noor.net>> wrote:

Hello All,

This is Bassem and this is my first participation in nanog.

We are planning to get a new 10G circuit and we are comparing the IPT service 
of three backbone providers that met our technical and financial requirements, 
Now to take all aspects into consideration we need to compare them from the 
support point of view.

The three providers are NTT,GTT and Telia so if any one have dealt with them 
before and can help us rate their support it would be Great.

Many thanks.

--
Best regards,

Bassem Fawzy
Network engineer – Core Team
City Stars Capital 5 A4
Omar Ibn El Khattab St.
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Land Line:  +2 02 16700 EXT:139
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Re: ISP billing - data collection, correlation, and billing

[Luke Guillory]

To be honest we don't do usage billing so I've never used it. I'd like to think 
it is since it uses a verification between the collector and source.



Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 15, 2017, at 3:47 AM, Lee Howard 
mailto:l...@asgard.org>> wrote:




On 7/14/17, 2:47 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Luke Guillory"
mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of 
lguill...@reservetele.com<mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>> wrote:

On the HFC / CMTS side of things we have IPDR which I believe has some
open source collectors out there. I'm not sure that IPDR is used much
outside of the HFC world though.

IPDR was my first thought as an alternative to SNMP. Is its accuracy
comparable? It’s been included into TR-069, so it’s theoretically
available to telcos, too. And usage-based billing is part of it’s purpose.


Not sure I’d want to use NetFlow/IPFIX, since by nature it tracks flows,
not bits, and I don’t want to record flows. But I’d be interested in
hearing others’ experience.


Lee






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RE: ISP billing - data collection, correlation, and billing

[Luke Guillory]

On the HFC / CMTS side of things we have IPDR which I believe has some open 
source collectors out there. I'm not sure that IPDR is used much outside of the 
HFC world though.







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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Sean Pedersen
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 1:41 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: ISP billing - data collection, correlation, and billing

I went back a few years in the archives and found a few odd references, but not 
much discussion. I'm curious what some other approaches are to usage-based 
billing, both the practice of generating/correlating data and the billing 
itself.



We bill based on use/95th percentile and our system is rudimentary on its best 
day. We use SNMP and interface descriptions to generate data and correlate it 
with customers. This works for the most part, but leaves a lot to be desired.



Ours is one method, and I've seen others who use NetFlow data in a similar 
fashion, with the assumption that the NetFlow data is correlated either via IP 
address or source interface.



Most of the systems I've seen are full-fledged CRM, billing, and OSS, which is 
a little overkill for us at the moment. I think we would have issues trying to 
integrate such a multi-headed beast into our organization at this time.



What methods do you use to collect and correlate data?

What systems, if any, do you use?



I'm a little in the dark as the billing/OSS side of things is outside of my 
normal scope and would appreciate any recommendations.



Thanks!

RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

[Luke Guillory]

If their 1310 passes them I would have to think you can't use is with other 
client ports that would fall within the window. Here is a graph showing those 4 
for the 40g it seems. 

http://public-wordpress-kkc.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Graph1.jpg



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+lguillory=reservetele@nanog.org] On 
Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: Mike Hammett
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

I guess that makes sense. The plus or minus some is the question. FS is 
claiming their 1310 port support QSFP+, which is 1270, 1290, 1310, and 1330 
combined. I understand you can us 1310, but I am still scratching my head as to 
how they all one minus and two above 1310 to work. Of course they don't have 
any datasheets to show the range either.



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I'd imagine they vary based on vendor, so you'd have to check with the 
> specific vendor in terms of absolute technical specifications.
>
> A 1310 and 1550 port only allow those channels plus or minus some, 
> manufacturer dependent.
> An expansion port passes everything not used by that device.
>
> Some manufacturers are even configurable pre-order, so you could get 
> exactly what you needed (other than multiple 40G channels).
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Colton Conor" 
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> Cc: "Mike Hammett" , "Luke Guillory" < 
> lguill...@reservetele.com>, "nanog list" 
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:14:19 PM
> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
>
>
> Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real 
> difference between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For 
> real world applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to 
> plug in a handheld meter, and see which channels are coming through 
> that node without breaking the ring. Not sure if their would be a 
> monitor port for both directions is you were using a OADM?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < 
> fai...@snappytelecom.net
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Answers in-line ...
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: "Colton Conor" < colton.co...@gmail.com >
> To: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net >
> Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguill...@reservetele.com >, "nanog list" < 
> nanog@nanog.org >, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM
> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are 
> clearly identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the 
> special ports handle?
>
> http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port
> options:
>
> 1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to 
> stack another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows 
> all channels to be added besides the client channels?) 
>
>
>
> Exactly... this is basically a pass thru port, i.e. what is not 
> getting mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).
>
>
> 
>
>
> 2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a 
> monitor up to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a 
> meter. I assume not a good idea to add/drop channels through this port)?
> 
>
>
>
> I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5% of 
> the light from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be 
> someone else can offer some practical use for this port.
> 
>
>
> 3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 
> 1310 since tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 
> nm, so what range does it really support or is there no a range?) 
> 
>
> Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 
> 40g/100g QSFP+ pass thru
>
>
> 
>
>
> 4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 
> 1330nm?)
>
>
> 
>
> I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial 
> understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to 
> stack a DWDM Mux
>

RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

[Luke Guillory]

My understanding is that ports on the client side would have cut filters for 
that color, having 1310 and 1550 are nice since you can hang gear you already 
have off the mux for OOB and so on. I don’t think I have any CWDM with 
expansion ports to test with.


We use the following for simple testing, is it there and what’s the power.

http://solid-optics.com/tools/power-meter/so-osa-cwdm-18ch-id1685.html







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From: Colton Conor [mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:14 PM
To: Faisal Imtiaz
Cc: Mike Hammett; Luke Guillory; nanog list
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

Thanks for the answers. From the sounds of it, no one knows the real difference 
between the expansion port, 1310 port, and 1550 port. For real world 
applications, I would assume the monitor port would be to plug in a handheld 
meter, and see which channels are coming through that node without breaking the 
ring. Not sure if their would be a monitor port for both directions is you were 
using a OADM?

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
Answers in-line ...

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Colton Conor" mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>>
To: "Mike Hammett" mailto:na...@ics-il.net>>
Cc: "Luke Guillory" 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>>, "nanog list" 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
I guess that is the real question. Besides the client ports that are clearly 
identified by channel number on Muxes, what channels can the special ports 
handle?
http://www.fs.com/products/43723.html It has 4 special service port options:

1. Expansion Port (Based on what I am seeing, I think this would be to stack 
another mux if you needed more channels. So I assume it allows all channels to 
be added besides the client channels?)

Exactly... this is basically a  pass thru port, i.e. what is not getting 
mux/demux should get passed thru (keep the insertion loss in mind).

2. Monitor Port (I think this is just a tap that you would hook a monitor up 
to, and be able to see all channels coming through with a meter. I assume not a 
good idea to add/drop channels through this port)?

I don't use this port, but supposedly it will pass a fraction 5%  of the light 
from the main port so that it can be monitored. May be someone else can offer 
some practical use for this port.
3. 1310nm Port (Labeled as 1310, but clearly allows more than just 1310 since 
tutorial is saying it supports QSFP+ which is 1270 - 1330 nm, so what range 
does it really support or is there no a range?)
Not sure about the range question, but this is the port for having the 40g/100g 
QSFP+ pass thru

4. 1550nm Port (Labeled as 1550nm, but I wonder if its like the 1330nm?)

I have not had the need to explore this in detail, but from my initial 
understanding, this can be used for ZR (long range optics) and or to stack a 
DWDM Mux

Would you recommend a monitor port on every mux you buy?

As I shared above, I don't.


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Verify pass-through frequencies for the 1310 (or equivalent) for the passive 
mux in question. This would only work for a single channel.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Luke Guillory" 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>>
To: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>, "Colton Conor" 
mailto:colton.co..

RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

[Luke Guillory]

Pics came in on my side, that's when I figured you were saying 1 40g plus 10s. 



-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: Luke Guillory
Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

I tried to send some pictures, but looks like the message got stuck for 
moderator.

Here is a link to pictures  what Colton is trying to accomplish (my bench 
test :) )

https://1drv.ms/a/s!Ar2zoQlxIvI1gdV9tYj96YUDWElu6w

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Luke Guillory" 
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> Cc: "Colton Conor" , "nanog list" 
> 
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:47:29 PM
> Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

> Gotcha, figured I misread it. Sorry it's Monday.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:45 PM
> To: Luke Guillory
> Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list
> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
> 
> Let me try to explain better...
> 
> All Single Mode Fiber 40g Optics are using 4 cwdm channels ...
> 
> If you use a cwdm mux/demux with and expansion port and it is only 
> mux/de-muxing
> 1450 to 1610  (i.e. not using the 1270-1330) you can use the expansion 
> port to connect the 40g Optics
> 
> If you have a CWDM or DWDM Mux, with a specific 1310 pass thru port 
> (Wide-band etc... check the specs) then you can plug the 40g Optics on 
> to that port and it will pass the 4 channels thru it.
> 
> e.g. with the cwdm mux (see picture in previous post) ..you end up 
> with  1x40g
> (lane) + 8 or 9 10g (cwdm lanes).
> 
> 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Luke Guillory" 
>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> Cc: "Colton Conor" , "nanog list"
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:39:00 PM
>> Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
> 
>> And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm 
>> misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup 
>> along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use
>> 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM
>> To: Luke Guillory
>> Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list
>> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
>> 
>> Bench test of the system, with the muxes...
>> 
>> sorry for the large pictures :)
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Luke Guillory" 
>>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" , "Colton Conor"
>>> 
>>> Cc: "nanog list" 
>>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM
>>> Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
>> 
>>> Faisal,
>>> 
>>> How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is 
>>> currently on a single LC cable?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Luke Guillory
>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> 
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RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

[Luke Guillory]

Gotcha, figured I misread it. Sorry it's Monday. 



-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:45 PM
To: Luke Guillory
Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

Let me try to explain better...

All Single Mode Fiber 40g Optics are using 4 cwdm channels ...

If you use a cwdm mux/demux with and expansion port and it is only 
mux/de-muxing 1450 to 1610  (i.e. not using the 1270-1330) you can use the 
expansion port to connect the 40g Optics

If you have a CWDM or DWDM Mux, with a specific 1310 pass thru port (Wide-band 
etc... check the specs) then you can plug the 40g Optics on to that port and it 
will pass the 4 channels thru it.

e.g. with the cwdm mux (see picture in previous post) ..you end up with  1x40g 
(lane) + 8 or 9 10g (cwdm lanes).



Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Luke Guillory" 
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> Cc: "Colton Conor" , "nanog list" 
> 
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:39:00 PM
> Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

> And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm 
> misreading your email which I took as he can use his current setup 
> along with a 40g 1310, though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 
> 1310 40g with colored up 10gs alongside of it.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM
> To: Luke Guillory
> Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list
> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
> 
> Bench test of the system, with the muxes...
> 
> sorry for the large pictures :)
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Luke Guillory" 
>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" , "Colton Conor"
>> 
>> Cc: "nanog list" 
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
> 
>> Faisal,
>> 
>> How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is 
>> currently on a single LC cable?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Luke Guillory
>> Network Operations Manager
>> 
>> Tel:985.536.1212
>> Fax:985.536.0300
>> Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com
>> 
>> Reserve Telecommunications
>> 100 RTC Dr
>> Reserve, LA 70084
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal 
>> Imtiaz
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM
>> To: Colton Conor
>> Cc: nanog list
>> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
>> 
>> Answers in-line below.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you  look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a 
>> common configuration of
>> 
>>Upgrade Port (expansion port)  + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
>> 
>>in the DWDM muxes you will see  them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru
>>channel.
>> 
> > These are exactly what you are looking for . :)

RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

[Luke Guillory]

And how would he pass his current 40g through that mux? Unless I'm misreading 
your email which I took as he can use his current setup along with a 40g 1310, 
though I'm thinking you're saying he can use 1310 40g with colored up 10gs 
alongside of it. 



-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:27 PM
To: Luke Guillory
Cc: Colton Conor; nanog list
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

Bench test of the system, with the muxes... 

sorry for the large pictures :)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Luke Guillory" 
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" , "Colton Conor" 
> 
> Cc: "nanog list" 
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:13:10 PM
> Subject: RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

> Faisal,
> 
> How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is 
> currently on a single LC cable?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Luke Guillory
> Network Operations Manager
> 
> Tel:985.536.1212
> Fax:985.536.0300
> Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com
> 
> Reserve Telecommunications
> 100 RTC Dr
> Reserve, LA 70084
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal 
> Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM
> To: Colton Conor
> Cc: nanog list
> Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics
> 
> Answers in-line below.
> 
> 
> 
> If you  look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a 
> common configuration of
> 
>Upgrade Port (expansion port)  + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm
> 
>in the DWDM muxes you will see  them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru
>channel.
> 
> These are exactly what you are looking for . :)

RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

[Luke Guillory]

Faisal,

How would he inject his current 4x10 40g into the mux which is currently on a 
single LC cable?





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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:02 PM
To: Colton Conor
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

Answers in-line below.



If you  look at the CWDM Muxes (8 or 9 channel) you will notice a common 
configuration of

Upgrade Port (expansion port)  + 1450 or 1470 to 1610nm

in the DWDM muxes you will see  them listed as # of Port + 1310 pass thru 
channel.

These are exactly what you are looking for . :)

RE: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

[Luke Guillory]

The issue is that once you get above 10g things start to get expensive since 
you don't have options for straight 40g optics in different colors. At least 
not what I see, 4x10g like you have or a single 1310 40g with no way that I see 
to mux them. I guess the only way this might work would be to use optics that 
go from MTP to LCs for the 4x10 40s which you could then inject into a mux, for 
those colors along with a 1310 port for the other 40.

This is same thing you run into when talking 100g, active DWDM with 
transponders is how that's done with local gear SFPs being 850nm being fed into 
the DWDM gear for transport.






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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Tony Wicks
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:43 PM
To: Colton Conor; NANOG
Subject: Re: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

The guys at fibrestore will point you in the right direction on all this if you 
ask them these questions. They are actually very helpful and will assign you a 
specialist to assist.

 Original message 
From: Colton Conor 
Date: 20/06/17  6:26 AM  (GMT+12:00)
To: NANOG 
Subject: DWDM Mux/Demux using 40G Optics

We are building a 40G metro ring using 40-Gigabit Ethernet QSFP+ Transceivers. 
Specifically, we are using Juniper JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4. This is a QSFP+ 
Transceiver with a LC duplex head. We only have one pair of single mode dark 
fibers around the ring.  Our distance between nodes around the ring are all 
less than 10KM, so we can use standard optics.

We go out of one JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4 and into another JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4. There are 
no passive muxes involved. This is working great for 40G.

My understanding is a JNP-QSFP-40G-LR4 is really a transceiver with a CWDM mux 
built into it. The spec sheet shows it sends 4 10G channels:

https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics/reference/specifications/optical-interface-qfx-support.html

Lane wavelength
Lane 0–1264.5 nm through 1277.5 nm
Lane 1–1284.5 nm through 1297.5 nm
Lane 2–1304.5 nm through 1317.5 nm
Lane 3–1324.5 nm through 1337.5  nm


This setup is working fine, but now we want to do more than 40G around the 
ring. To my knowledge there are no other 40G QSFP+ transceivers that use four 
other channel/lanes than the ones already being used, so they only way to go 
higher than 40G is to stack 10G or 100G channels ontop of the fiber pair using 
a passive mux.

100G is too expensive for the time being, so we are looking to add 10G channels 
to a ring that already have one 40G channel using the QSFP+.

I was reading this tutorial, and it mentions "there is a 1310 nm port 
integrated in a 40 channels DWDM Mux/Demux system. The 1310nm added port is a 
Wide Band Optic port (WBO) added to other specific DWDM wavelengths in a 
module. When we run out of all channels in a DWDM Mux/Demux system, we can add 
the extra optics via this 1310nm port."
http://www.fs.com/upgrade-to-500g-with-40ch-dwdm-mux-demux-system-aid-493.html

What I can't seem to understand is they are mentioning that this 1310 port can 
pass QSFP+ signals, so it sounds like its really a 1270nm through 1330nm port? 
Is this what they mean by   Wide Band Optic port (WBO)?

We don't need 40 10G channels plus a 40G for a total of 440G. More than likely 
we are looking at a 8 channel mux/demux, and 1 40G port for a total of 120G.

I don't care if we do CWDM vs DWDM, but I assume it will be hard to find a CWDM 
mux that has one LC dupluex input for  1270nm through 1330nm channels?

Maybe I should just ditch the 40G QSFP+ optics and use all 10G optics, but the 
switches I am using have 48 10G SFP+ ports and 6 QSFP+ ports built in.
I know there are 40G breakout cables, but the whole point of 40G is to 
aggregate VLAN/circuits.

Has anyone done this before?

RE: Leasing /22 blocks

[Luke Guillory]

While that is true, it does still require ARIN approval in the US and will need 
to be justified.





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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Gould
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:25 AM
To: 'Josh Luthman'
Cc: 'NANOG list'
Subject: RE: Leasing /22 blocks

Yeah, I was looking at ipv4auctions.com a while back and recall seeing $10/per 
ip… now it seems that $12.50/per ip is the lowest



-Aaron

RE: Leasing /22 blocks

[Luke Guillory]

LogicWeb leases IPs, their pricing is below.

/21 -1600$
/22 - 800$
/23 - 400$
/24 - 200$




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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Gould
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 8:53 AM
To: 'Security Admin (NetSec)'; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Leasing /22 blocks

Someone recently reached out to me and asked me about this same thing... to 
which I responded by asking them how much they would pay me to lease my address 
space... here was their response...I'm pretty sure they are U.S.-based company. 
 I'd rather not say who they are... since I'm not sure I'm at liberty to do so.

**
Please see below pricing (per month with 6 months commitment) :

/19 - 2000$
/20 - 1200$
/21 - 600$
/22 - 400$
/23 - 200$
/24 - 100$
**

- Aaron

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Security Admin
(NetSec)
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:45 AM
To: 'nanog@nanog.org' 
Subject: Leasing /22 blocks

Recently had someone offer to lease some IPv4 address space from me.  Have 
never done that before.

I thought I would ask the group what a reasonable monthly rate for a /22 in the 
United States might be.

Thanks in advance!

Ed(ward) Ray

RE: Facebook more specific via Level3 ?

[Luke Guillory]

Are they replying with that subnet via dns when requests are being made?





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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jürgen Jaritsch
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:24 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Facebook more specific via Level3 ?

Hi,

> This specific, and many others, are only announced to peers in the
> metro they originate in.  To receive this prefix directly you'll need
> to peer with us in Los Angeles.

the point is: Level3 is exporting this prefix to the EU since ~1 week … Telia 
is learning it from Level3 and they also started to re-export it:

Telia Looking Glass
(http://lg.telia.net/?query=bgp&protocol=IPv4&addr=31.13.71.0/24+exact&route
r=Vienna)

Command: show route protocol bgp 31.13.71.36 table inet.0
31.13.71.0/24  *[BGP/170] 18w5d 16:40:16, MED 0, localpref 150
  AS path: 3356 32934 I, validation-state: unverified
> to 80.239.128.178 via ae9.0


This is causing >120ms latency to Austrian (and some German ...) networks 
towards Facebook - current traceroute from source network 188.172.239.0/24:

  Packets Pings
 Host   Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg
Best  Wrst StDev
 1. router   0.0% 40.5   0.5
0.5   0.6   0.0
 2. 192.168.8.3  0.0% 40.6   0.7
0.6   0.8   0.1
 3. 37.252.236.880.0% 4   37.3  34.2
30.6  37.3   2.9
 4. er-03.00-09-23.anx04.vie.at.anexia-it.com0.0% 4   21.1  31.9
21.1  50.9  13.3
 5. cr-02.0v-08-72.anx03.vie.at.anexia-it.com0.0% 4   23.2  25.9
20.4  31.6   5.1
 6. win-b4-link.telia.net0.0% 4   22.1  25.0
22.1  30.1   3.5
 7. level-ic-1573273-wien-b4.c.telia.net 0.0% 3   22.4  22.3
21.1  23.3   1.1
 8. ae-3-3611.edge2.dallas1.level3.net   0.0% 3  150.5 150.6
150.4 150.8   0.2
 9. facebook-in.edge2.dallas1.level3.net 0.0% 3  156.6 152.9
151.0 156.6   3.2
10. po102.psw02.dft4.tfbnw.net   0.0% 3  151.4 151.6
151.4 152.0   0.4
11. 173.252.67.570.0% 3  151.6 152.3
151.6 153.4   0.9
12. edge-star-mini-shv-01-dft4.facebook.com  0.0% 3  159.3 158.4
152.5 163.6   5.6

The admins of AS42473 started to drop the more specific from Level3 and now 
they get it from Telia (which is the Level3 re-export they learned).

I guess you guys should talk to Level3 and ask them what the hell they are 
doing? :).


Thanks & best regards
Jürgen

Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Luke Guillory]

For sure

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 14, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Todd Grand  wrote:
> 
> I still believe the onus is on them to justify the extension of these costs,
> regardless of what was in the agreement.
> 
> Todd Grand
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:39 AM
> To: Todd Grand 
> Cc: NANOG 
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
> 
> I just went back over my email string with one of our transit providers
> since I recalled submitting an exempt form for something. 
> 
> They added the Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge to our transit link,
> odd since this isn't a voice related circuit. This also wasn't on the quote
> or anything else, sales tax is assumed but this wasn't. I'm sure it's buried
> in an agreement somewhere. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Todd Grand  wrote:
>> 
>> In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke.
>> 
>> 
>> This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these
> costs.
>> In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to
> extend said costs.
>> One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be
> construed as fraudulent charges.
>> 
>> Todd Grand
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM
>> To: Todd Grand 
>> Cc: Eric Dugas ; Graham Johnston 
>> ; NANOG 
>> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>> 
>> On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well
> though not on service outside of telephone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Luke Guillory
>> Network Operations Manager
>> 
>> Tel:985.536.1212
>> Fax:985.536.0300
>> Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com
>> 
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>> 100 RTC Dr
>> Reserve, LA 70084
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal 
>>> mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, 
>>> spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to 
>>> help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These 
>>> costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers 
>>> to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the 
>>> fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
>>> 
>>> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they 
>>> have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is 
>>> a form of fraud.
>>> 
>>> Todd Grand
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Eric Dugas
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
>>> To: Graham Johnston 
>>> Cc: NANOG 
>>> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>>> 
>>> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are 
>>> either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from 
>>> Vancouver, BC and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to 
>>> follow up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO 
>>>

Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Luke Guillory]

I just went back over my email string with one of our transit providers since I 
recalled submitting an exempt form for something. 

They added the Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge to our transit link, 
odd since this isn't a voice related circuit. This also wasn't on the quote or 
anything else, sales tax is assumed but this wasn't. I'm sure it's buried in an 
agreement somewhere. 

 



Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 14, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Todd Grand  wrote:
> 
> In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke.
> 
> 
> This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these costs.
> In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to extend 
> said costs.
> One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be 
> construed as fraudulent charges.
> 
> Todd Grand
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM
> To: Todd Grand 
> Cc: Eric Dugas ; Graham Johnston 
> ; NANOG 
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
> 
> On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well though 
> not on service outside of telephone.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> 
> 
> Luke Guillory
> Network Operations Manager
> 
> Tel:985.536.1212
> Fax:985.536.0300
> Email:  lguill...@reservetele.com
> 
> Reserve Telecommunications
> 100 RTC Dr
> Reserve, LA 70084
> 
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>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal 
>> mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, 
>> spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to 
>> help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These 
>> costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers 
>> to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the 
>> fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
>> 
>> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they 
>> have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a 
>> form of fraud.
>> 
>> Todd Grand
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Eric Dugas
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
>> To: Graham Johnston 
>> Cc: NANOG 
>> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>> 
>> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are 
>> either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from 
>> Vancouver, BC and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to 
>> follow up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO 
>> and suggested two scenarios.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth 
>>> we
>> purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it 
>> is built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of 
>> such a thing.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Graham Johnston
>> Network Planner
>> Westman Communications Group
>> 204.717.2829
>> johnst...@westmancom.com
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> \-Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM
>> To: NANOG
>> Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in 
>>> Canada
>> and
>> just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of 
>> 10% the MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my 
>> Canadian fellows on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing
>> department
>> are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in 
>> the MSA or in the contract.
>> 
> 

Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations

[Luke Guillory]

On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well though 
not on service outside of telephone.



Sent from my iPad

>

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On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand  wrote:
>
>
> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal mandates,
> programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, spectrum
> acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to help subsidize
> telephone service in rural and remote areas. These costs are not taxes or
> amounts that the government requires carriers to collect. The specific
> amount of these costs can vary as the fees/costs of government
> mandates/programs change.
>
> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they have to
> justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a form of
> fraud.
>
> Todd Grand
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand@nanog.org] On Behalf Of
> Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
> To: Graham Johnston 
> Cc: NANOG 
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>
> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are either
> invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from Vancouver, BC
> and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
>
>
>
> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to follow
> up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO and suggested
> two scenarios.
>
>
> On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston 
> wrote:
>
>> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth
>> we
> purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it is
> built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of such a
> thing.
>
>>
>
>> Graham Johnston
> Network Planner
> Westman Communications Group
> 204.717.2829
> johnst...@westmancom.com
>
>>
>
>> \-Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>
>>
>
>> I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in
>> Canada
> and
> just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of 10% the
> MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my Canadian
> fellows on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing
> department
> are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in the MSA
> or in the contract.
>

Re: Verizon wireless to stop issuing static IPv4

[Luke Guillory]

My customer got the email and the only service they have is wireless. Also 
notice the email address.

From: Verizon Wireless 
mailto:verizonwirele...@email.vzwshop.com>>




Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Keith Stokes 
mailto:kei...@neilltech.com>> wrote:

You said the e-mail was from VZ wireless but the e-mail text says Verizon. Is 
it really all of Verizon, VZ Wireless, home, business or some combination?

On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Hubbard 
mailto:dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com><mailto:dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com>>
 wrote:

Thought the list would find this interesting.  Just received an email from VZ 
wireless that they’re going to stop selling static IPv4 for wireless 
subscribers in June.  That should make for some interesting support calls on 
the broadband/fios side; one half of the company is forcing ipv6, the other 
can’t provide it.  At least now we have a big name forcing the issue though.

David

Here’s complete text:

On June 30, 2017, Verizon will stop issuing new Public Static IPv4 addresses 
due to a shortage of available addresses. Customers that currently have active 
Public Static IPv4 addresses will retain those addresses, and Verizon will 
continue to fully support existing Public Static IPv4 addresses. In order to 
reserve new IP addresses, your company will need to convert to the Persistent 
Prefix IPv6 requirements and implement new Verizon-certified IPv6 devices.





Why should you make the move to Persistent Prefix IPv6?





•

Unlike IPv4, which is limited to a 32-bit prefix, Persistent Prefix IPv6 has 
128-bit addressing scheme, which aligns to current international agreements and 
standards.



•

Persistent Prefix IPv6 will provide the device with an IP address unique to 
that device that will remain with that device until the address is relinquished 
by the user (i.e., when the user moves the device off the Verizon Wireless 
network).



•

IPv4-only devices are not compatible with Persistent Prefix IPv6 addresses.









---

Keith Stokes







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RE: DWDM Optics cheaper than CWDM Optics?

[Luke Guillory]

Karl,

I've bought at least 20k in optics from them in the last 2 years, from QSFP 
DAC, QSFP to 10g breakouts and everything in between and the only thing to fail 
was 1 QSFP breakout cable.  A partner of ours uses their DWDM optics and 
passive MUXs while I've used their CWDM with no issues.






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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Karl Gerhard
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:17 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: DWDM Optics cheaper than CWDM Optics?

Hello,

fs.com offers DWDM optics that are cheaper than CWDM optics:
CWDM 80km 10G for 600$ http://www.fs.com/c/cisco-cwdm-sfp-plus-2425?70-80km
DWDM 80km 10G for 420$ http://www.fs.com/c/cisco-dwdm-sfp-plus-2485?70-80km

This is significant.
Is this for real? Has anybody bought their DWDM optics?

Going with DWDM and passive Mux/Demux seems to be cheaper nowadays than going 
with CWDM.

Regards
Karl

Re: Common Reliable Out Of Band Management Options at Carrier Hotels

[Luke Guillory]

Cell site has one network in and out, that being the providers own network.

This data center has many transit providers blended into their DIA while I 
might only have two at the location.

While cell sites in larger cities might be in better shape than down here in 
the south, I've seen way to many go down around here from storms.

What's makes ATT LTE network different from the ATT transit network that sits 
in the datacenter? While it gives me access to a network outside the datacenter 
it seems to limit me to only one network.






Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore 
mailto:patr...@ianai.net>> wrote:

That is a good price, and a nice service from the provider.

However, why is that more diverse than LTE? If the colo provider uses the same 
transit and/or transit provider(s) you do, it sounds very not-diverse.

--
TTFN,
patrick

On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Luke Guillory 
mailto:lguill...@reservetele.com>> wrote:

We were quoted sub $200 for 10M DIA from the datacenter which included a copper 
handoff which would be more diverse than the cell option.



Luke





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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Patrick W. Gilmore
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:13 AM
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Common Reliable Out Of Band Management Options at Carrier Hotels

+1 for OpenGear + LTE / cell.

Obviously POTS works and is available in any carrier hotel and not insanely 
expensive.

Also, lots (not all) colocation providers will give you very cheap ethernet 
OOB. (E.g. Our colo gives you GigE for the cost of the xconn + 2 Mbps 95/5 
free.) I would ask before looking at getting a 3G/4G modem. Assuming, of 
course, you are comfortable with the colo provider’s network being diverse 
enough from your own.

--
TTFN,
patrick

On Jan 18, 2017, at 8:55 AM, David Hubbard 
mailto:dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com>> wrote:

Provided you can get a cell signal, we’ve been very happy with Opengear boxes.  
We’d been using their ACM5508 which is eight serial ports, two Ethernet, cell.  
It runs linux, you can ssh into it, do fancy things like keep the cell side 
down and use text messages to bring it up if you need to get in, does VPN, 
PPTP, monitors environmental things if needed, etc.  They replaced that model 
with the 7004 and 7008 (4 or 8 serial).  They have console servers if you need 
more ports; we have a 32-port daisy chained to a 5508 in a location we had 
serial growth, but their 7200-series is cell plus high density serial in one.

In a data center with particularly bad cell reception, Opengear recommended 
getting a high gain antenna from wpsantennas.com<http://wpsantennas.com>.  I 
contacted them and the recommendation for my specific use case was a Panorama 
WMMG-7-27.  We had it mounted above the overhead infrastructure on top of our 
cage and it dramatically impr

RE: Common Reliable Out Of Band Management Options at Carrier Hotels

[Luke Guillory]

We were quoted sub $200 for 10M DIA from the datacenter which included a copper 
handoff which would be more diverse than the cell option.



Luke





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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Patrick W. Gilmore
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:13 AM
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Common Reliable Out Of Band Management Options at Carrier Hotels

+1 for OpenGear + LTE / cell.

Obviously POTS works and is available in any carrier hotel and not insanely 
expensive.

Also, lots (not all) colocation providers will give you very cheap ethernet 
OOB. (E.g. Our colo gives you GigE for the cost of the xconn + 2 Mbps 95/5 
free.) I would ask before looking at getting a 3G/4G modem. Assuming, of 
course, you are comfortable with the colo provider’s network being diverse 
enough from your own.

--
TTFN,
patrick

> On Jan 18, 2017, at 8:55 AM, David Hubbard  
> wrote:
>
> Provided you can get a cell signal, we’ve been very happy with Opengear 
> boxes.  We’d been using their ACM5508 which is eight serial ports, two 
> Ethernet, cell.  It runs linux, you can ssh into it, do fancy things like 
> keep the cell side down and use text messages to bring it up if you need to 
> get in, does VPN, PPTP, monitors environmental things if needed, etc.  They 
> replaced that model with the 7004 and 7008 (4 or 8 serial).  They have 
> console servers if you need more ports; we have a 32-port daisy chained to a 
> 5508 in a location we had serial growth, but their 7200-series is cell plus 
> high density serial in one.
>
> In a data center with particularly bad cell reception, Opengear recommended 
> getting a high gain antenna from wpsantennas.com.  I contacted them and the 
> recommendation for my specific use case was a Panorama WMMG-7-27.  We had it 
> mounted above the overhead infrastructure on top of our cage and it 
> dramatically improved the signal to make it a non-issue.
>
> David
>
> On 1/17/17, 4:59 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Darin Herteen" 
>  wrote:
>
>Greetings list,
>
>
>We are exploring standardizing our Out Of Band options across our network 
> and various off-net locations and the question was brought up "What about 
> carrier hotels? What constraints might present themselves at those locations?"
>
>
>Assuming each hotel we are located in can provide either Ethernet or DSL 
> I'm guessing that is going to come a cost (cross-connects, rack space etc..) 
> that might end up being cost prohibitive.
>
>
>So my inquiry is... What does the list find to be a reasonably priced yet 
> reliable solution in carrier hotels for OOB? Or is that contradictory :)
>
>
>Thoughts on Cellular?
>
>
>Any experience/insight would be appreciated.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Darin
>
>

Re: Apple Caching Server question

[Luke Guillory]

They sell transparent caching, works great and we've been using it for a few 
years. Not cheap on the CAPX side but it sure does work.

I deliver 50% of all Netflix traffic while never hitting my transit links, 
Apple is even higher and windows updates is are near the 97% number. The great 
thing outside of cutting down on transit traffic is the increase speeds from 
serving it from within my network.

The support folks rock and take care of everything, we haven't touched it since 
we racked it up. Simple 1u Dell server with 10g nics, we currently just port 
mirror to it and let it do its thing.

I can share more if needed as well.

Luke


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On Jan 13, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Cody Grosskopf  wrote:
>
> Maybe you can help.sell the product because that website doesn't do much in
> terms of selling the product. What does it do and why would we use it?
>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017, 8:29 PM Fred Hicks  wrote:
>>
>> We have been using this:
>>
>> http://qwilt.com/
>>
>> It does all the Apple and IOS caching and is built for the ISP level and
>> then some.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Blake Hudson  wrote:
>>>
>>> lane.pow...@swat.coop wrote on 1/13/2017 7:43 AM:
>>>
>>>> I saw the apple caching server mentioned on an earlier thread. Is this
>>>> appropriate/functional/scaleable enough to implement as an ISP? It is an
>>>> intriguing idea. From the docs I could find, I couldn't tell if it was
>> only
>>>> geared towards home / small business or if it could scale up to handle
>> ISP
>>>> level traffic.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Lane
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have no experience with the Apple caching service specifically, but I
>>> have used Apple products (including some of their server software) for
>>> decades. Apple used to make mac mini models exclusively for server use.
>>> Their low power draw and relatively high density makes them an
>> interesting
>>> choice for those that don't mind using "desktop grade" hardware for a
>>> project. There are some folks that even make rack-mount solutions for the
>>> Mac mini and Mac pro (search for RackMac). That said, my experience with
>>> several mac minis is that you will have at least one fault that will put
>>> them out of production (dead PSU, faulty HDD, dead mainboard) in a 2-3
>> year
>>> period when ran 24/7.
>>>
>>> With Unix OS, a gigabit ethernet port, SSD, and i5 or i7, I would expect
>> a
>>> mac mini to be as fast or faster than most other network appliances one
>>> might purchase. If one wanted something beefier, a mac pro would probably
>>> offer some expandability (on board dual 1gbps NICs + six 20Gbps
>> thunderbolt
>>> 2 ports).
>>>
>>> I would see why one might be curious, especially if this could cache the
>>> IOS updates used for all those tablets and other iDevices folks purchase
>>> from Apple.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> *Fred Hicks*
>> Director of Network Communications
>> Information Technology
>> hi...@adelphi.edu
>> T 516.877.3338
>>

RE: Bandwidth Savings

[Luke Guillory]

Netflix won’t even begin talks for their cache if you're not doing a minimum of 
5Gbps. They also require massive uploads to the cache often, these are things 
are 200TB now if I recall and they send everything unlike the transparent who 
only grab what's already being consumed.






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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of 
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 12:59 PM
To: Keenan Singh
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Bandwidth Savings

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:08:45 -0500, Keenan Singh said:

> do have a Layer 2 Circuit between the Island and Miami, I am seeing
> there are WAN Accelerators where they would put a Server on either end
> and sort of Compress and decompress the Traffic before it goes over
> the Layer 2, I have never used this before, has any one here used
> anything like this, what

Those will probably not help a lot with https: data, as a properly encrypted 
stream is very close to random bits and thus not very compressible.

As others have noted, your best chances are getting content providers to give 
you a local cache of their most popular content.

RE: Bandwidth Savings

[Luke Guillory]

I reached out to my vendor and got back the following. Also what services have 
you seen move to HTTPS that you're not able to cache?


Hi Luke,

Regarding HTTPS Streaming and Netflix...

Netflix announced in the spring of 2015 that it would move to HTTPS delivery by 
April of 2016.  At the time of that first announcement, some concluded Netflix 
might not be able to afford the capital investment required to enable HTTPS 
delivery.

Given Netflix did not complete the HTTPS project by their first deadline, we 
believe they have been focused on other priorities such as their global 
expansion, So, given this history, it's not clear just when or if Netflix will 
make the move to majority HTTPS for delivery.  Furthermore, Netflix is under 
considerable pressure from investors to improve subscriber growth, revenue 
growth and profitability. The HTTPS project does not support any of these 
goals. In fact, Netflix reported net income is marginal and a move to full 
HTTPS delivery would likely consume all profits for the year.

Along with the rest of the industry, we recognize the need for Open Caching 
systems to support HTTPS streaming from upstream content providers.  This is 
one of the reasons why we were a Founding Member, along with 16 other streaming 
companies, in the Streaming Video Alliance in the fall of 2014.  The SVA now 
includes almost 50 member companies from across the streaming ecosystem and 
around the world.  More importantly, the Open Caching Working Group has issued 
functional requirements, unanimously approved by SVA members, which include 
support for HTTPS streams.

The SVA Board has invited Netflix to join the Alliance and, in doing so, 
endorse the Open Caching work underway. This would open up a path in the short 
run to ensure any open cache can continue to support Netflix content even if 
Netflix moves to HTTPS delivery. We expect to see Netflix become more active in 
the SVA soon given other major streaming providers, such as Hulu and Amazon, 
are joining now.

In conclusion, the SVA has developed a solution for Open Cache support of HTTPS 
streaming and we expect all streaming providers, including Netflix, will align 
with the SVA's direction.

http://www.streamingvideoalliance.org/

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Regards,



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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Keenan Singh
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:09 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Bandwidth Savings

Hi Guys

We are an ISP in the Caribbean, and are faced with extremely high Bandwidth 
costs, compared to the US, we currently use Peer App for Caching however with 
most services now moving to HTTPS the cache is proving to be less and less 
effective. We are currently looking at any way we can save on Bandwidth or to 
be more Efficient with the Bandwidth we currently have. We do have a Layer 2 
Circuit between the Island and Miami, I am seeing there are WAN Accelerators 
where they would put a Server on either end and sort of Compress and decompress 
the Traffic before it goes over the Layer 2, I have never used this before, has 
any one here used anything like this, what results would I be able to expect 
for ISP Traffic?

If not any ideas on Bandwidth Savings, or being more Efficient with want we 
currently.

Many thanks for any Help

Keenan

RE: SoCal FIOS outage(?) / static IP readdressing

[Luke Guillory]

Our model is 15k a mile all in, this is  for aerial  not underground for our 
HFC/Coax builds. A partner of ours models their underground fiber builds at 30k 
a mile.

This is in south Louisiana so your market may vary as always.






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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jared Mauch
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:37 AM
To: Baldur Norddahl
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: SoCal FIOS outage(?) / static IP readdressing


> On Jan 4, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Baldur Norddahl  wrote:
>
> I solved this issue by making my own ISP.

I’ve been thinking of the same in my underserved area.  Labor is $5/foot here 
and despite friends and colleagues telling me to move, it seems I have a sub-60 
month ROI (and sub-year for some areas I’ve modeled with modest uptake rates of 
15-20% where the other options are fixed wireless, Cellular data or dial).

Hope is to do a presentation in the fall or next year with progress.  We have 
areas around here where Comcast, (AT&T or Frontier) don’t even serve.  The 
municipality is off getting bids to build due to market failure by the 
incumbents to invest. municipal fiber is nigh on illegal here in Michigan but 
with no incumbent it is feasible and my hope is will lock out people who are 
unwilling to invest despite their market cap.

- Jared

Re: Multicast IPTV on DOCSIS

[Luke Guillory]

Yes it works over docsis, you assigned downstreams to part of a multicast group 
and the CMTS will use those when a device asks to join.

X1 is both traditional HFC and also full on IPTV which is where everyone is 
going including HFC plants.


Mediaroom is the least popular middleware when looking at the major ones, 
Minerva has much more market share.

Cox licensed the X1 platform for their Contor product after ditching Cisco for 
some reason.



Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei 
mailto:jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca>> wrote:


Today, Rogers (in Canada) announced it was ditching it long running
project to move to an IPTV platform it had been developping and will
adopt Comcast X1.  (some $500 million writeoff).

Telco IPTV systems use multicasting all the way to the customer's LAN
and generally use the Microsoft/Ericcson MediaRoom product suite and
compatible STBs.

Could a cableco have deployed Mediaroom on a DOCSIS system? Does docsis
support multicasting ? I assume it would run on a separate DOCSIS group
of NTSC channels on the coax and likely require 2 modems in the home.

I am curious on why Rogers would have spent so much time trying to
develop its own system.

With regards to Comcast X1, is this a very conventional TV on coax
system, with a bunch of switched video channels to cater to on-demand
services to invividual homes ?

Or does X1 use some form of IP connection to deliver "data" for the
on-demand content ? (while linear TV still provided in traditional
digital channels bundled into an NTSC channel ?

BTW, one of the original arguments for Rogers is that cable STBs had
proprietary software that was slow to evolve and get new features
approved/tested, so they lagged behind the IPTV STB software which
didn't require certificatioN/approval by the STB hardware vendors (cisco
etc).

Has any Cable system converted to IPTV ?










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RE: 10G switch drops traffic for a split second

[Luke Guillory]

Here is the video from Facebook on Monitoring, managing and troubleshooting 
large scale networks they did last year on the subject as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRY9xwg5nAU







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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Peter Beckman
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 5:10 PM
To: TJ Trout
Cc: nanog
Subject: Re: 10G switch drops traffic for a split second


On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, TJ Trout wrote:

> I plan on disabling FC on everything tonight, I've done that before
> but I want to be sure.
>
> Anything that can be done about the 2 x 1G peers trunking to the 10G
> router transition that can be fixed? should I be rate limiting the
> vlan for the peers at 1G so the 10G router isn't trying to send more than 1G?

  This thread reminded me of a blog post that struck me as useful 5 years
  ago, and again today. Measuring throughput, when dealing with buffers and
  troubleshooting errors and packet loss, must be done at a sub-one-second
  sampling rate.

  http://blog.serverfault.com/2011/06/27/per-second-measurements-dont-cut-it/

Beckman
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