On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, at 22:40, Darin Steffl wrote:
> For 1G or less, ethernet
> might be cheaper with some protection already
Not to mention that 1G waves are becoming less and less comon those days. In
this part of the world waves tend to start at 10G.
Which was my point is all, while it might be an extreme case, IP can cause
issues for waves as well.
Luke
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Didn’t the Dec 2018 CL outage cause waves and even TDM circuits to go down?
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The downside to waves are that they're typically not protected. So a cut will
take you down. If you have 10G Layer 2 ethernet, they often will
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;t do that on a wave.
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Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:30 AM Aaron Gould < aar...@gvtc.com > wrote:
Do y’all like HE for Internet
Electric AS6939
Charter/Spectrum calls it an EPL - Ethernet Private Line.
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:30 AM Aaron Gould wrote:
> Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for
> 100gig in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently have
> Spectrum, Telia and Cogent.
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> -Aaron
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I find HE useful as a special kind of transit provider.
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Depending on transport costs, it may be cheaper to just use HE at a datacenter
he's already in vs going to a datacenter he's not in currently.
HE has
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To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:51:16 PM
Subject: RE: Hurricane Electric AS6939
Don’t you have to be there to join?
I’m in Austin and San Antonio
-Aaron
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:20 PM
Depending on peer traffic, it may make more sense to co-locate a switch at
a DC and then bring in some PNIs from your top usage peers. Check your
peer usage using something like AS-Stats.
Your top usage peers are going to be your most costly expense in the end...
Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
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> Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for
> 100gig in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently have
> Spectrum, Telia and Cogent.
No. Too many problems with scenic routing due to lack of BGP
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>>>> buying another 100G of transit.
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>>>> DFW has a couple and there are some more that are starting up.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 8:22 PM Seth Mattinen wrote:
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> On 10/13/20 5:10 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
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> > You would do well to add them to your mix and remove one of the other
> > ones. I'd probably remove spectrum and replace with HE. We've only had
> > 30 minutes of downtime total in 5 years so
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Yep. Get on some IXes first. You’d be able to offload a ton of traffic to free
peering, vs sending everything via the transit you pay for.
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Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:20 PM
To: Aaron Gould
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
We had horrible experiences with them a long time
ago. Inexplicable packet loss problems, route weirdness, so we dumped them.
A couple of years ago we decided to give them
another try (I was skeptical), but so far it has been just fine.
At 07:29 PM 13/10/2020, Aaron Gould wrote:
Do yâal
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Aaron Gould
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:30 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Hurricane Electric AS6939 [EXTERNAL]
Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for 100gig
in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently have Spectrum, Telia
and C
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
Yes, what you would be ordering is typically a lit L2 circuit. However,
> my experience is that certain carrier salespeople tend to call anything
> like this a 'wave'. I have had lots of discussions ov
want to do some
>> more research to determine how that might work in your situation.
>> PeeringDB is a good resource along with google searches for "peering 100
>> Taylor" or "peering austin data foundry"
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r "peering 100
> Taylor" or "peering austin data foundry"
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:20 PM
> *To:* Aaron Gould
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
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Aaron Gould wrote:
> Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them
> for 100gig in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently
> have Spectrum, Telia and Cogent.
The price is usually amongst the lowest you'll find. I've found
Don’t you have to be there to join?
I’m in Austin and San Antonio
-Aaron
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:20 PM
To: Aaron Gould
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
https://bgp.he.net/AS16527
You don't appear to be on any
I have to be in Dallas for that right?
I’m in Austin (Data Foundry) and San Antonio (100 Taylor)
-Aaron
From: Ryan Hamel
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:34 PM
To: Aaron Gould
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
You would get better peering from Equinix
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To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:29:55 PM
Subject: Hurricane Electric AS6939
Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for 100gig
in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently have Spectrum, Telia
and Cogent.
-Aaron
thers WISP
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From: "Aaron Gould"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:29:55 PM
Subject: Hurricane Electric AS6939
Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for 100gig
in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs IS
On 10/13/20 5:10 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
You would do well to add them to your mix and remove one of the other
ones. I'd probably remove spectrum and replace with HE. We've only had
30 minutes of downtime total in 5 years so they've been very reliable
for us.
I removed Spectrum (Charter) a
In Minnesota, hurricane has the lowest latency and most routes out of our
state. I can reach most destinations with lower latency than any other
carrier I've tested.
Their NOC is great and easy to reach. Billing is perfect and predictable
with no hidden fees or surcharges in the fine print. And th
On 10/13/20 7:29 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for 100gig
in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently have Spectrum, Telia
and Cogent.
They're a good bulk/budget option in a blend. A decent number of
content hosts a
sounds like he needs full routes..
On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 4:36 PM Ryan Hamel wrote:
> You would get better peering from Equinix IX, which includes free HE IPv4
> Peering + IPv6 Transit
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> Ryan
> On Oct 13 2020, at 4:29 pm, Aaron Gould wrote:
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> Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m think
You would get better peering from Equinix IX, which includes free HE IPv4
Peering + IPv6 Transit
Ryan
On Oct 13 2020, at 4:29 pm, Aaron Gould wrote:
> Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for
> 100gig in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently have Sp
Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for 100gig
in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently have Spectrum, Telia
and Cogent.
-Aaron
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