company is doing well, has the money, and the executives just
>> want the numbers to look good for wall street analysts, then it's time to
>> pause the miracle working, and help them understand that they cannot simply
>> expect you to pull a miracle out of your backside
ves just
>> want the numbers to look good for wall street analysts, then it's time to
>> pause the miracle working, and help them understand that they cannot simply
>> expect you to pull a miracle out of your backside every time, just so they
>> can look good.
>>
>
ot simply
> expect you to pull a miracle out of your backside every time, just so they
> can look good.
>
> If we continue to pull off miracles after telling executives that
> additional resources are required, it's no wonder they don't take the
> requests as seriously as t
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> *From: *"Mark Tinka"
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 19, 2023 10:28:26 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Zayo woes
>
>
>
> On 9/19/23 16:48, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> As someone that has been planning to be in the ac
On 9/19/23 18:05, Mike Hammett wrote:
Some of it is scale-related. Someone's operating just fine at the size
they are, but the next order of magnitude larger enjoys many benefits
from that size, but it takes either A) luck or B) the right skills to
be able to move up to get those benefits.
On 9/19/23 17:54, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well sure, and I would like to think (probably mistakenly) that just
no one important enough (to the money people) made the money people
that these other things are *REQUIRED* to make the deal work.
Obviously, people lower on the ladder say it all of
uot;nanog" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:53:13 AMSubject: Re: Zayo woes
Recently reached out to Zayo and found out we have a new account manager, and also discovered they were acquired by a company called ENA...
Bill
From: NANOG on behalf of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesd
It can be even less customer-facing and more entrenched than that…
A uses ISIS and MPLS, B uses OSPF and native circuits.
Putting (e)BGP sessions across the border between those two is pretty quick and
easy.
Integration would essentially require shifting one system onto the other
methodology
On 2023-09-19 09:41, Matthew Petach wrote:
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:19AM Mike Hammett wrote:
[...]
I've never understood companies that acquire and don't completely
integrate as quickly as they can.
Ah, spoken with the voice of someone who's never been in the position
of:
a) acquiring
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Delong.com"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "Matthew Petach" , "nanog"
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 1:22:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
You’ve got the blame right, but the fact that the cost savings don’t
m
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Matthew Petach"
> To: "Bill Murphy"
> Cc: "Mike Hammett" , "Randy Carpenter"
> , "nanog&quo
11:39:49 AM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
Well sure, but what started this tangent is that to me, anyway, it seemed like
ENA had just as much ISP as it had ISP, if not more. It would be like buying a
farm to get farm-fresh eggs in your kitchen.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solution
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Matt Erculiani"
To: "Anne Mitchell"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 11:06:57 AM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
> they are left with having to run something that they never really wanted
> until they
> they are left with having to run something that they never really wanted
until they can figure out what to do with it
Buy enough Dark Fiber providers, you'll eventually acquire an ISP
Buy enough ISPs, you'll eventually acquire a Colo
Buy enough Colos, you'll eventually acquire a small Cloud
;Mark Tinka"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 10:51:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
On 9/19/23 17:40, Anne Mitchell wrote:
And sometimes the acquisition is really just about acquiring the assets, such
as the customer list*, and then they are left with hav
0:28:26 AM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
On 9/19/23 16:48, Mike Hammett wrote:
As someone that has been planning to be in the acquiring seat for a while (but
yet to do one), I've consistently passed to the money people that there's the
purchase price and then there's the % on top of that for
On 9/19/23 17:40, Anne Mitchell wrote:
And sometimes the acquisition is really just about acquiring the assets, such
as the customer list*, and then they are left with having to run something that
they never really wanted until they can figure out what to do with it.
Right, buying the
> On Sep 19, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
> Sometimes it does not add any material value to either network. Sometimes it
> takes too long.
And sometimes the acquisition is really just about acquiring the assets, such
as the customer list*, and then they are left with having to run
On 9/19/23 16:48, Mike Hammett wrote:
As someone that has been planning to be in the acquiring seat for a
while (but yet to do one), I've consistently passed to the money
people that there's the purchase price and then there's the % on top
of that for equipment, contractors, etc. to
On 9/19/23 16:41, Matthew Petach wrote:
c) your executives have promised there will be cost savings after the
merger due to "synergies" between the two companies.
Couldn't have said the exact same words any better myself - "cost
savings from synergies" :-).
Always interesting when a year
On 9/19/23 14:19, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've never understood companies that acquire and don't completely
integrate as quickly as they can.
Sometimes it does not add any material value to either network.
Sometimes it takes too long.
If the acquired company is orders of magnitude smaller
Except they've acquired A LOT of companies running C and A LOT of companies
running J, you'd think they'd at least have the same process for the
similar setups, but they don't.
Shane
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 10:42 AM Matthew Petach
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:19AM Mike Hammett
;Randy Carpenter"
, "nanog"
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:41:35 AM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:19AM Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote:
[...]
I've never understood companies that acquire and don't completely integrate as
quickly a
- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Petach"
To: "Bill Murphy"
Cc: "Mike Hammett" , "Randy Carpenter"
, "nanog"
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:41:35 AM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:19AM Mike Hammett &l
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:19AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> [...]
> I've never understood companies that acquire and don't completely
> integrate as quickly as they can.
>
Ah, spoken with the voice of someone who's never been in the position of:
a) acquiring a company not-much-smaller-than-you that
Message -
From: "Bill Murphy"
To: "Mike Hammett" , "Randy Carpenter"
Cc: "nanog"
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:53:13 AM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
Recently reached out to Zayo and found out we have a new account manager, and
also discovered th
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
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I've never understood companies that acquire and don't completely integrate as
quickly as they can.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/
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Cc: "nanog"
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 7:01:03 PM
Subject: Re: Zayo woes
The problem we have run into is that there does not appear to be a "Zayo."
There are dozens of acquisitions of regional providers with completely
different infrastructure and teams and
The problem we have run into is that there does not appear to be a "Zayo."
There are dozens of acquisitions of regional providers with completely
different infrastructure and teams and they have done a very poor job at gluing
it all together. I have seen service orders that have gone *years*
Does anyone know what’s happening at Zayo? Tickets are taking weeks and months
to get resolved, much less get a tech assigned to them.
The folks answering the noc phone are mere order takers and are only reading
from a script, manager on duty/escalation lines go to voicemail.
If anyone can
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