I have lived in France and now Hungary. I have never seen power lines above
ground, but I have heard there are some in rural France.
I disagree with your conclusion - essential infrastructure should be buried if
possible. The US makes too many excuses for second rate performance. Level3
buried
And by the way, your 41% figure is misleading because it is an average over a
continent where Western Europe has twice the standard of living as the East.
Rich side of the tracks, poor side of the tracks.
In Germany about 80% of power cables are buried. Nearly 87% of low voltage
cables are
On 16 Feb 2021, at 6:50 PM, Niels Bakker wrote:
>
> * nanog@nanog.org (Mann, Jason via NANOG) [Wed 17 Feb 2021, 00:44 CET]:
>> Are their legtimate websites to go to purchase new blocks?
>
> IPv4 is not like Bitcoin, new addresses aren't being mined using gigantic
> amounts of electricity at
Hi,
This might be a little too platform/vendor specific for this group so I
apologize in advance if that is the case.
Does anyone have a working example of CoPP on NXOS which limits things like
BGP, SSH, and the NXAPI HTTPS interface to a specific remote /32 and blocks
everything else that is
The price of electricity is a major component of the decision where data
centers operators choose to build large data centers.
Total electric price to end consumer (residential). Although industrial
electric prices are usually lower, its easier to compare residential
prices across
On 2/16/21 14:14, Rod Beck wrote:
I agree. Germany spent well over 200 billion Euros on wind and solar
subsidies and over 85% of the country's energy consumption is still
non-renewable. Wind power is randomly generated. I really don't to
depend it for either personal or business needs.
John Kristoff wrote:
Friends,
I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet
operational issues, outages or implementation incompatibilities you
have seen.
Well... pre-Internet, but the great Northeast fiber cut comes to mind
(backhoe vs. fiber, backhoe won).
Miles
On 2/16/21 14:22, John Sage wrote:
You don't understand Texas politics relative to the United States at
large.
I certainly do not :-).
Which is fine, but this is a state that had deliberately prevented
interconnects (see: ERCOT, above) into any extended national grid,
principally
> I have lived in France and now Hungary. I have never seen power lines
> above ground, but I have heard there are some in rural France.
You'll find them even in Budapest:
On 16 Feb 2021, at 11:53 PM, Mann, Jason via NANOG
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote:
Any recommendations for legitimate ip brokers?
ARIN maintains a list of transfer facilitators - all of these parties have
agreed to follow our procedures, but please note that we do not otherwise
qualify or
On 2/17/21 7:15 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
The price of electricity is a major component of the decision where
data centers operators choose to build large data centers.
Total electric price to end consumer (residential). Although
industrial electric prices are usually lower, its easier to
On 2/16/21 14:23, Bret Clark wrote:
Texas doesn't generally experience this type of extreme cold. The
power grids are being overload due to people using their electric heat
or electric portable heaters.
Any shared resource will have its limits exposed when patterns spiral,
unusually.
On 2/16/21 03:05, Randy Bush wrote:
https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/
That was a good read.
Mark.
Buried high voltage lines require expensive/complex insulation (oil, etc). It's
really expensive to build and to maintain these at enormous scale like the
continental USA. Not saying it's not possible, but definitely challenging.
Repairing damage to these lines is a lot more complicated than
See also ISI's [1] ANT Evaluation of Internet Outages map:
https://outage.ant.isi.edu/?zoom=6=-98.100178=36.512017=dark=1613564040=8=ostreaming=1=0_scale=3
[1] https://ant.isi.edu/outage/
On Mon 2021-02-15 18:04:07-0800 Eric wrote:
> See also, regional maps here. Thanks to CAIDA and the IODA
Humm sorry, there are a lot of power lines which are not buried in France and
in Europe.
High, medium and low voltage power lines, even if there is a willingness to
slowly bury them over the time
Ge
> Le 17 févr. 2021 à 10:17, Rod Beck a écrit :
>
> I have lived in France and now Hungary. I
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/2021/02/16/electricity-retailer-griddys-unusual-plea-to-texas-customers-leave-now-before-you-get-a-big-bill/
The power market in Texas has utterly failed.
Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
CEO
b...@6by7.net
"The only
> On Feb 17, 2021, at 9:15 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
> USA (Residential):
> Lowest Idaho: USD 9.67 cents/kWh (EU 8.3 cents/kWh)
> Highest Hawaii: USD 28.84 cents/kWh (EU 24.07 cents/kWh)
Not sure where you’re finding those numbers but I believe they are not accurate.
On 2/16/21 14:09, Rod Beck wrote:
The problems with renewables is that you can't switch on or off and
there is no good storage solution.
While solar + batteries would be good backup options, they would do
little to support electric-driven heating, as solar irradiation during
winter is too
On 2/16/21 16:28, Michael Thomas wrote:
We use propane. It's less dense energy-wise than gasoline, but it's
really easy to switch over.
Same here, for our winter. Cheaper than power, and is fast-acting.
Mark.
On 2/16/21 17:45, JASON BOTHE via NANOG wrote:
The professor has it right. Before the state privatized the grid and made
ERCOT, we never had these problems. Every few years, these private companies
complain they need a rate hike because they need a grant to ‘beef up’ the
infrastructure
On 2/16/21 18:50, John Von Essen wrote:
I just assumed most people in Texas have heat pumps- AC in the summer
and minimal heating in the winter when needed. When the entire state
gets a deep freeze, everybody is running those heat pumps non-stop,
and the generation capacity simply wasn’t
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Sabri Berisha wrote:
This (admittedly anecdotal) evidence clearly proves that the Dept of
Energy's table is cherry-picked bollocks. My rate is 163% of their
"average".
As always, you are free to collect data and produce your own table
covering electric prices for the
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 14:07:54 -0500
John Curran wrote:
> I have no idea what outages were most memorable for others, but the
> Stanford transfer switch explosion in October 1996 resulted in a much
> of the Internet in the Bay Area simply not being reachable for
> several days.
Thanks John.
Unless you have storage, you are using the utility for services. It is no
realistic to assume that they will do net metering forever, it simply does not
allow them to fund the distribution network.
I honestly think the current rates for solar in-feed at places like Hawaiian
electric are more
On 2021-02-17, at 19:36, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
> undergrounding HV transmission lines
That’s not how it works.
In Germany, the majority of rural area HV transmission is above ground, for
reasons that have been mentioned here. If we have significant power outages
(once-in-a-decade events),
- On Feb 17, 2021, at 11:21 AM, nanog wrote:
Hi,
> Using the sample bill on the GA power website you linked, I see a bottom line
> price of $76.17 for 606 kWh delivered to the customer. That is effectively
> 12.57 cents per kWh.
> Utilities (both investor owned and coops) have a
Not with Starlink, but these requests tend to have a higher success rate if
detail is provided about why direct engineering contact is needed.
You may also want to reference an unsuccessful attempt (or several) to
reach out to front-line support.
At worst, it does nothing for you and nobody is
Well, my house isn’t on GPC, but I wish it was. Mine is on a coop. My office
is on the same coop and I’m billed at a higher rate for business.
The bill arrived today. $391.26 got me 3459kwh. That is 11.3cents/kwh net for
business power from Cobb EMC, who charges a good bit more than GPC
On 2/17/21 1:23 PM, b...@uu3.net wrote:
Hold on.. Math doesnt add-up here.
Are you telling me that a gallon propane tank (3.8l) can last
24 hours for about 1000W power generation. Are you sure?
I could belive for 6 hours... maybe 8.. not 24 hours.
So either you are using up 200-300W.. or you
Hi Sean,
> On 17. Feb 2021, at 21:58, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>> That’s not how it works.
>
> https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/EN/Artikel/Energy/electricity-grids-of-the-future-01.html
Yes. This is fully consistent with what I said. This is
> On Feb 17, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
>> Statistics suck, until you attempt to produce your own.
>
> I don’t even know what word you replace “suck” with, when you’re doing it
> yourself. What’s suck cubed?
>
>
Second vote for NTT.
Also, second vote for GTT.
--
TTFN,
patrick
> On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David Hubbard
> wrote:
>
>
> I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to
> pick up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead. I’m slowly
> dropping
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Carsten Bormann wrote:
That’s not how it works.
https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/EN/Artikel/Energy/electricity-grids-of-the-future-01.html
Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy
English translation
[...]
The Federal Government has put the policies in place for
Hold on.. Math doesnt add-up here.
Are you telling me that a gallon propane tank (3.8l) can last
24 hours for about 1000W power generation. Are you sure?
I could belive for 6 hours... maybe 8.. not 24 hours.
So either you are using up 200-300W.. or you have superior power
generator. Can you share
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 10:46 AM John Sage wrote:
> This article is an interest description of Texas electricity pricing for
> one provider and for the market in general:
>
Ahh, war stories. I like the one where I got a wake up call that our IRC
server was on fire, together with the rest of the DC.
Not that widespread, but we reached Slashdot. :)
November 2002, University of Twente, The Netherlands. Some idiot wanted
to be a hero. He deflated peoples tires, to
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I'm referring to AS6461. They're offering IP transit from AS6461 here since
2017 (the takeover of AS15290's facilities in Montreal/rest of Canada).
Eric
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 8:32 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> In the context of Montreal, to clarify, when you say Zayo are you
> referring to Zayo
On 2/17/21 2:37 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
I actually tend to believe that buried HVDC is the future of long-distance
power transmission.
We might be able to pull off that this transitions from a niche technology to
the mainstream, like we did with photovoltaics (at the cost of 200 G€).
I second the motion for NTT.
I would never connect to GTT again.if you want to know
why.contact offlist.
joe
On 2/17/2021 1:58 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Second vote for NTT.
Also, second vote for GTT.
--
TTFN,
patrick
On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David Hubbard
wrote:
Yep, unlike 3356 who could care less if you have an outage, NTT never fails to
have a ticket opened and email to all the contact points within minutes of a
BGP session going down, asking if we need any assistance. I’ve been really
happy with their noc on debugging issues, and just proactive
(resent - to list this time)
On 16 Feb 2021, at 2:37 PM, John Kristoff mailto:j...@dataplane.org>> wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet
> operational issues, outages or implementation incompatibilities you
> have seen.
>
> Which
Second for NTT. We have found that their pricing wasn’t to far off from HE.
I can count on one hand in 10 years how many times we had issues and needed
to contact them.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 14:06 David Hubbard
wrote:
> I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve had
Stolen isn’t nearly as exciting as what happens when your (used) 6509 arrives
and
gets installed and operational before anyone realizes that the conductive
packing
peanuts that it was packed in have managed to work their way into various
midplane
connectors. Several hours later someone notices
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In the context of Montreal, to clarify, when you say Zayo are you referring
to Zayo Canada (former AT Canada/MTS-Allstream), or AS6461, the original
Abovenet AS which is Zayo USA's IP transit network?
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:17 AM Eric Dugas via NANOG
wrote:
> The details you mentioned
Cogentco still did not peer with Google and HE over IPv6 I guess.
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I remember when the big
The numbers below are not correct.
Here in GA, we pay much lower rates than those listed, somewhere around 7
cents/kwh after taxes.
https://www.georgiapower.com/residential/billing-and-rate-plans/pricing-and-
rate-plans/residential-service.html
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The details you mentioned about Cogent and HE are still right.
I'm managing an eyeball network and have Cogent in our blend but I also have
three other Tier1s and VERY extensive peering (public and private). We have
(from the cheapest to most expensive) Cogent, Telia, Zayo and Tata. I have to
On 2/17/21 9:40 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
It might not be an easy fix in the moment, but in the long run, buy a
generator and install a propane tank.
When power prices spike to insane levels like this, just flip your
transfer switch over and run off propane.
When utility power
> On Feb 17, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
> Statistics suck, until you attempt to produce your own.
I don’t even know what word you replace “suck” with, when you’re doing it
yourself. What’s suck cubed?
-Bill
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Using the sample bill on the GA power website you linked, I see a bottom
line price of $76.17 for 606 kWh delivered to the customer. That is
effectively 12.57 cents per kWh.
Utilities (both investor owned and coops) have a multitude of ways of
hiding the effective price in a variety of fixed and
On 2/16/21 19:27, Brandon Svec wrote:
Mismanagement and poor planning are primarily to blame. One can't
just blame the weather. We know weather will be bad and have extreme
variations.
You mean some like UK airports :-)?
Mark.
I remember when the big carriers de-peered with Cogent in the early 2000s. The
underestimated the amount of web-sites being hosted by people using cogent
exclusively.
Justin Wilson
j...@j2sw.com
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> On
As I mentioned I used residential pricing because its easier to find.
Getting industrial pricing is more difficult because its often viewed as
proprietary secret information with particular customers. Its more
difficult to get industrial pricing across all countries (and states in
the USA).
On 2/17/21 8:07 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
Not sure where you’re finding those numbers but I believe they are not
accurate.
U.S. Energy Information Administration (part of the Department of Energy)
It might not be an easy fix in the moment, but in the long run, buy a
generator and install a propane tank.
When power prices spike to insane levels like this, just flip your transfer
switch over and run off propane.
When utility power becomes cheaper, switch back to the grid.
Maybe some sort of
Using residential pricing for a data center is a bit odd, isn't? Remember,
European businesses can reclaim VAT and a European data center would access
much lower tariffs than a European household. And residential pricing includes
VAT. Germany is an outlier because about 50% of the 30 cents is
The he.net side is interesting as you can see who their v4 transits are but
they suppress their routes via v6, but (last I knew) lacked community support
for their customers to do similar route suppression.
I’m not a fan of it, but it makes the commercial discussions much easier each
time
On 2/17/21 20:04, Lady Benjamin PD Cannon wrote:
Other than financials limiting capacity, modern residential solar
systems do not care a wink about what sort of load their DC is
driving. The inverters also are rated for continuous duty.
Solar can drive any load. But to support heavy loads
This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that content
networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, I have
little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with any other
eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network,
GTT seems ok. TATA as well. Telia has some issues as far as I see.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 10:49 Mike Hammett wrote:
> This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that
> content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance,
> I have little to no reason
I have seen pricing as low as ten US cents on a full 100 GigE port. In other
words, $10K. Tier 1 provider for what it's worth. I think there are Tier 2
providers that can compete with Cogent and Hurricane on price.
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On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
Not sure where you’re finding those numbers but I believe they are not accurate.
U.S. Energy Information Administration (part of the Department of Energy)
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a
I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to pick
up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead. I’m slowly dropping
Cogent due to the v6 issues. I haven’t been able to try HE because they and a
frequent colo provider I use (Switch) don’t seem to get
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 10:52 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that
> content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance,
> I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with
> any other
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