Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 21/05/18 17:10, Large Hadron Collider wrote: > I would go as far as to say that Tier 1 is a derogatory designation, but > I have a beef with Cogent because they're expecting otherwise Tier 1 > IPv6 ISP Hurricane Electric to bow to the altar of Cogent. Owen, is dat yew?! -- Tom

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 18/05/18 14:55, Stephen Satchell wrote: > What happened when you sent out your last RPQ to the vendors with these > requirements? Why bother? There are so few products, with so few vendors, and their list prices & discount levels are easily researchable in less than a day. If you thought

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 19/05/18 21:51, Ben Cannon wrote: > Isn’t that the ASR9010? (And before that 7609?) I can't tell if you're taking the piss or not. -- Tom

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

* David Hubbard [2018-05-16 19:01]: > I’m curious if anyone who’s used 3356 for transit has found > shortcomings in how their peering and redundancy is configured, or >From a recent experience I can tell you that a change request to change a peering from "full

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

Yep? -Ben > On May 21, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Aaron Gould wrote: > > 9010 and 7609 Small? > > Aaron > >> On May 19, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Ben Cannon wrote: >> >> Isn’t that the ASR9010? (And before that 7609?) >> >> -Ben >> On May 18, 2018, at 4:20 AM,

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 19/May/18 22:51, Ben Cannon wrote: > Isn’t that the ASR9010? (And before that 7609?) The ASR9901 comes reasonably close - as close as the MX204 could get (although 1Gbps ports might be an issue). Mark.

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

9010 and 7609 Small? Aaron > On May 19, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Ben Cannon wrote: > > Isn’t that the ASR9010? (And before that 7609?) > > -Ben > >>> On May 18, 2018, at 4:20 AM, Tom Hill wrote: >>> >>> On 17/05/18 14:24, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> There's

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

If this is a know issue and has happened before and point to point circuits aren’t effected you always have the opportunity to diversify your own network and get private lines back to Miami, Jax, Atlanta or Dallas to create your own diversity don’t you? Robert DeVita Managing Director

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

There are some markets where diverse paths are not so > easy to acquire. > > From: Robert DeVita <radev...@mejeticks.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 5:36:23 PM > To: David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Curiosity about A

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

Isn’t that the ASR9010? (And before that 7609?) -Ben > On May 18, 2018, at 4:20 AM, Tom Hill wrote: > >> On 17/05/18 14:24, Mike Hammett wrote: >> There's some industry hard-on with having a few ginormous routers instead of >> many smaller ones. > > "Industry hard-on",

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

--- joe...@bogus.com wrote: From: joel jaeggli alcatel/nokia 7750 (L3's newer PE platform) is large but not outlandish and they've been deployed for a couple years. -- More than a couple... I was using them for MPLS over 10 years

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

I would go as far as to say that Tier 1 is a derogatory designation, but I have a beef with Cogent because they're expecting otherwise Tier 1 IPv6 ISP Hurricane Electric to bow to the altar of Cogent. On 05/20/2018 15:19, Mark Tinka wrote: On 20/May/18 09:16, Baldur Norddahl wrote: The

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

- Original Message - From: "valdis kletnieks" <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> To: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 5:43:42 PM Subject: Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On Sun, 20 May 2018 09:16:25 +0200, Baldur Norddahl said: > He is complaining about AS3356 in specific and claiming they COULD > reroute around it but choose not to. This leads me to assume there are > alternatives. Two places, Miami and Texas, are mentioned and that a > double fault, one in

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 12:33 PM Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > CenturyLink bought Level 3, which bought Global Crossing, which bought > Impsat; this makes every market unique, for the good and bad of it. > > What I have as a customer feeling is that Global Crossing was the most >

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

CenturyLink bought Level 3, which bought Global Crossing, which bought Impsat; this makes every market unique, for the good and bad of it. What I have as a customer feeling is that Global Crossing was the most quality-minded of the 4, while the other 3 is/were more "take what we give you and shut

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 5/17/18 6:24 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I often question why\how people build networks the way they do. There's some > industry hard-on with having a few ginormous routers instead of many smaller > ones. I've learned that when building Internet Exchanges, the number of > networks that don't

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 20/May/18 09:16, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > The question was if downtime on a transit provider of many hours is > unacceptable. I am offering my experience that this happens to all of > them. Some of them can have problems that last days not hours. Do not > ever assume that a so called "tier

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 19/May/18 22:28, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > What happened to do not trust anyone? Create your own resiliency by being > multihomed to as many transits you can afford. > > You need the ability to shutdown a transit that is having trouble. It > happens to all of them. Agreed. Mark.

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

Den 20/05/2018 kl. 05.43 skrev valdis.kletni...@vt.edu: On Sat, 19 May 2018 22:28:07 +0200, Baldur Norddahl said: What happened to do not trust anyone? Create your own resiliency by being multihomed to as many transits you can afford. Re-read what David Hubbard said: unacceptable period of

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On Sat, 19 May 2018 22:28:07 +0200, Baldur Norddahl said: > What happened to do not trust anyone? Create your own resiliency by being > multihomed to as many transits you can afford. Re-read what David Hubbard said: > unacceptable period of time (many hours). I’m learning that the entire >

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

dev...@mejeticks.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 5:36:23 PM To: David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general) If this is a know issue and has happened before and point to point circuits aren’t effected you always have the oppor

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

What happened to do not trust anyone? Create your own resiliency by being multihomed to as many transits you can afford. You need the ability to shutdown a transit that is having trouble. It happens to all of them. Regards Baldur ons. 16. maj 2018 19.02 skrev David Hubbard

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 05/18/2018 04:20 AM, Tom Hill wrote: On 17/05/18 14:24, Mike Hammett wrote: There's some industry hard-on with having a few ginormous routers instead of many smaller ones. "Industry hard-on", ITYM "Greedy vendors". I think this view (both versions) are a little over the top. "Never

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 17/05/18 14:24, Mike Hammett wrote: > There's some industry hard-on with having a few ginormous routers instead of > many smaller ones. "Industry hard-on", ITYM "Greedy vendors". Try finding a 'small' router with a lot of ports (1 & 10GE) for your customers, and the right features/TCAM/CP

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

I often question why\how people build networks the way they do. There's some industry hard-on with having a few ginormous routers instead of many smaller ones. I've learned that when building Internet Exchanges, the number of networks that don't have BGP edge routers in major markets where they

Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general)

On 16/May/18 18:59, David Hubbard wrote: > I’m curious if anyone who’s used 3356 for transit has found shortcomings in > how their peering and redundancy is configured, or what a normal expectation > to have is. The Tampa Bay market has been completely down for 3356 IP > services twice so