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On 3/7/18 9:00 AM, Ian Mock wrote: Everything is negotiable. NRC on a cross-connect is ridiculous. The cost to run should be made up with the amount they're charging monthly. I wouldn't pay more than $200/mo for copper. Actually, as a reflection of the provider's cost, NRC for a cross-connect makes more sense than a recurring cost. After all, there's labor involved in setting up the cross-connect, but once it's in, it pretty much just sits there. The fallacy here, though, is assuming that rational pricing bears some relation to the vendor's cost to provide the good or service. Actual price is based on what the market will bear. Sharing pricing information on NANOG likely helps consumers by increasing market transparency (which is why vendors love to block such sharing via NDA). Much as I sympathize with the sentiment, though, "ridiculous" is meaningless in this context. It may even be construed as positive, as in: "Awesome, we're making ridiculous profits on all these copper cross-connects." :-) Jim
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Everything is negotiable. NRC on a cross-connect is ridiculous. The cost to run should be made up with the amount they're charging monthly. I wouldn't pay more than $200/mo for copper. Ian Mock On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, James Laszko wrote: > One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I > requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I > received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying > for existing xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any > experience with this kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average > copper xcon, single floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier > circuit costs? (This xcon is approx 30 feet..) > > Thanks! > > James > > Sent from my iPad
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Well the Westin POP and Netrality POPs model is the best in my opinion. You take your bundle to one central location and do the x-connects there. No need to pull single cables in the trays -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:32 PM Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing Sure, but that's just a cost of doing business. There's not a line-item for cleaning the bathroom. Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work being done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 12:17:01 PM Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing On 3/7/18 10:02 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: > Ohh no NRC. > Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off) > > You mean you're not supposed to let cables pile up indefinitely until they become an immovable tangled mass?
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On 3/7/18 11:35 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: Because it's a capital outlay up front, instead of a build-as-you-need-it with the capital investment spread over time. There's no cost if the customer is charged for it when they need it.
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On 03/07/2018 10:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work being done. Because it's a capital outlay up front, instead of a build-as-you-need-it with the capital investment spread over time. Ran into the money bug-a-boo when building a rack room -- the boss just didn't like the up-front cost. "We will use cable trays and run wire when we need it. Feh.
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Perhaps so, but if it's not charged at the end it would just be built into the MRC. Longer-term customers would end up paying substantially more. In some cases, it is more cost effective to install an entrance facility as you describe, but it's much more expensive than running individual x-conns as needed. Plus not everyone wants to go to the same place. The cost of an EF would be passed-through, making it far more expensive for the guy or gal who just needs a hand-full of x-conns. -Matt On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Sure, but that's just a cost of doing business. There's not a line-item for > cleaning the bathroom. > > Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead > of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another > patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work being done. > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > - Original Message - > > From: "Seth Mattinen" > To: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 12:17:01 PM > Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > On 3/7/18 10:02 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: >> Ohh no NRC. >> Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off) >> >> > > > You mean you're not supposed to let cables pile up indefinitely until > they become an immovable tangled mass? >
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Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work being done. I have seen this in one facility. They just run 24 strand or whatever to patch panel in each customer cage. Then patch are done to those at the meet me room. When you exceed capacity they add another 24 strand. Seems smart (depending on cable cost and average utilization of the strands I suppose.) And of course you can get multiple feeds / entrances from them. -Ethan O'Toole
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Sure, but that's just a cost of doing business. There's not a line-item for cleaning the bathroom. Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work being done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 12:17:01 PM Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing On 3/7/18 10:02 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: > Ohh no NRC. > Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off) > > You mean you're not supposed to let cables pile up indefinitely until they become an immovable tangled mass?
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On 3/7/18 10:02 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: Ohh no NRC. Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off) You mean you're not supposed to let cables pile up indefinitely until they become an immovable tangled mass?
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Ohh no NRC. Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off) -Original Message- From: Mel Beckman [mailto:m...@beckman.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:56 AM To: Romeo Czumbil Cc: James Laszko ; nanog Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is written this way, but why? It doesn’t seem fair at all, and as a service provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the provider. To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an “auto-renew” clause in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, and BOOM, you’re on the hook for another two years! I’ve been burned by this more than once. -mel > On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: > > Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM > To: nanog > Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested > a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote > from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing > xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this > kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single > floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon > is approx 30 feet..) > > Thanks! > > James > > Sent from my iPad
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Those days are alive and well. And of course, it hasn't improved any. On 03/07/2018 12:25 PM, chris wrote: reminds me of the days when you were forced to colo gear in the phone company's CO to get access to their cable plant and got gouged on power and the interconnection between the CO and then you had to buy your upstream connectivity from the ILEC a insane markup or for ptp to your closest pop :) not only did you pay a fortune for the privilege but then you had to wait 60-90 for the ILEC to "build" the circuit On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:18 PM, James Laszko wrote: NRC = non-recurring fee - the setup fee. They are charging setup fee and monthly fees to run a piece of ethernet. The xcon fee monthly is 25% of the price of the ethernet service we're getting from the telco James -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:09 AM Cc: nanog Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing I'm sure he means what he says. The cost to remove the cross connect when you're done with it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mel Beckman" To: "Romeo Czumbil" Cc: "nanog" Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:55:32 AM Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is written this way, but why? It doesn’t seem fair at all, and as a service provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the provider. To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an “auto-renew” clause in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, and BOOM, you’re on the hook for another two years! I’ve been burned by this more than once. -mel On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM To: nanog Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon is approx 30 feet..) Thanks! James Sent from my iPad
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reminds me of the days when you were forced to colo gear in the phone company's CO to get access to their cable plant and got gouged on power and the interconnection between the CO and then you had to buy your upstream connectivity from the ILEC a insane markup or for ptp to your closest pop :) not only did you pay a fortune for the privilege but then you had to wait 60-90 for the ILEC to "build" the circuit On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:18 PM, James Laszko wrote: > NRC = non-recurring fee - the setup fee. They are charging setup fee and > monthly fees to run a piece of ethernet. The xcon fee monthly is 25% of > the price of the ethernet service we're getting from the telco > > > James > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:09 AM > Cc: nanog > Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > I'm sure he means what he says. The cost to remove the cross connect when > you're done with it. > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mel Beckman" > To: "Romeo Czumbil" > Cc: "nanog" > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:55:32 AM > Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? > > This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or > two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the > installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand > full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is > written this way, but why? It doesn’t seem fair at all, and as a service > provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the > provider. > > To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an “auto-renew” clause > in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, > and BOOM, you’re on the hook for another two years! > > I’ve been burned by this more than once. > > -mel > > > On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil > wrote: > > > > Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty > NRC > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko > > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM > > To: nanog > > Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > > > One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I > requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I > received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying > for existing xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any > experience with this kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average > copper xcon, single floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier > circuit costs? (This xcon is approx 30 feet..) > > > > Thanks! > > > > James > > > > Sent from my iPad > > >
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In a previous life when I was on the other side of writing contracts and my boss demanded auto-renewals, I always told my customers to write me a cancellation letter when they signed the contract. The amazing thing was how few actually did it. On Mar 7, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is written this way, but why? It doesn’t seem fair at all, and as a service provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the provider. To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an “auto-renew” clause in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, and BOOM, you’re on the hook for another two years! I’ve been burned by this more than once. -mel On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil mailto:romeo.czum...@tierpoint.com>> wrote: Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM To: nanog mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon is approx 30 feet..) Thanks! James Sent from my iPad --- Keith Stokes [cid:71D8C5C8-00C4-4DF2-8EA2-9D534D8EB9A6@neilltech.com]
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NRC = non-recurring fee - the setup fee. They are charging setup fee and monthly fees to run a piece of ethernet. The xcon fee monthly is 25% of the price of the ethernet service we're getting from the telco James -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:09 AM Cc: nanog Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing I'm sure he means what he says. The cost to remove the cross connect when you're done with it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mel Beckman" To: "Romeo Czumbil" Cc: "nanog" Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:55:32 AM Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is written this way, but why? It doesn’t seem fair at all, and as a service provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the provider. To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an “auto-renew” clause in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, and BOOM, you’re on the hook for another two years! I’ve been burned by this more than once. -mel > On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil > wrote: > > Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM > To: nanog > Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested > a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote > from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing > xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this > kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single > floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon > is approx 30 feet..) > > Thanks! > > James > > Sent from my iPad
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I'm sure he means what he says. The cost to remove the cross connect when you're done with it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mel Beckman" To: "Romeo Czumbil" Cc: "nanog" Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:55:32 AM Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is written this way, but why? It doesn’t seem fair at all, and as a service provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the provider. To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an “auto-renew” clause in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, and BOOM, you’re on the hook for another two years! I’ve been burned by this more than once. -mel > On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil > wrote: > > Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM > To: nanog > Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested > a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote > from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing > xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this > kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single > floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon > is approx 30 feet..) > > Thanks! > > James > > Sent from my iPad
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There are a couple reasons. You order service from me. It costs me $X to build out that service. I balance that against the value of your contract. If you cancel early then my numbers may not work or I may lose money on the deal, or if I had to borrow money to do your build, then my bank is going to be angry when the value I told them I was getting for the build doesn't come through. Smaller providers may end up factoring your contract. If that contract doesn't pay what they said it would they're liable for the balance of the factoring deal. On 3/7/2018 10:55 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is written this way, but why? It doesn’t seem fair at all, and as a service provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the provider. To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an “auto-renew” clause in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, and BOOM, you’re on the hook for another two years! I’ve been burned by this more than once. -mel On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM To: nanog Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon is approx 30 feet..) Thanks! James Sent from my iPad -- Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
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Or the services you can only cancel once a year, may not give early notice of cancellation, and if you miss the window, you're on the hook another year. Any contract we do with our customers is always MCP - Minimum Contract Period with automatic month to month renewals at the end - unless we're buying the facility from another carrier, then we mirror their terms. Colo providers try to set it up so that the terms for all your different services with them expire on different intervals to try to make it impossible for you to ever cancel without lots of pain. At 11:55 AM 07/03/2018, Mel Beckman wrote: NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is written this way, but why? It doesnât seem fair at all, and as a service provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the provider. To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an âauto-renewâ clause in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, and BOOM, youâre on the hook for another two years! Iâve been burned by this more than once. -mel > On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: > > Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM > To: nanog > Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > One of our coloâs in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what Iâm currently paying for existing xconâs as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon is approx 30 feet..) > > Thanks! > > James > > Sent from my iPad -- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409
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NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all the remaining months! I realize that the contract is written this way, but why? It doesn’t seem fair at all, and as a service provider myself, I know this is actually a huge unearned windfall for the provider. To make things worse, many providers subtly plant an “auto-renew” clause in their contracts. You miss canceling but the end of the contract date, and BOOM, you’re on the hook for another two years! I’ve been burned by this more than once. -mel > On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote: > > Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM > To: nanog > Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing > > One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested > a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote > from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing > xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this > kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single > floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon > is approx 30 feet..) > > Thanks! > > James > > Sent from my iPad
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Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM To: nanog Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon is approx 30 feet..) Thanks! James Sent from my iPad
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Depending on the location (x-conns carrier hotels are typically more expensive) I'd expect to pay anywhere from $100-$200 per month for copper. -Matt On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, James Laszko wrote: > One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested > a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote > from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing > xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this > kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single > floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon > is approx 30 feet..) > > Thanks! > > James > > Sent from my iPad
Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing
Too much, whatever it is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "James Laszko" To: "nanog" Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:10:45 AM Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested a new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing xcon’s as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Anyone care to share what an average copper xcon, single floor, meet-me-room to cage, Ethernet from carrier circuit costs? (This xcon is approx 30 feet..) Thanks! James Sent from my iPad
