I am still running with Elecrow.
Elecrow's 10 boards are fractionally cheaper at $4.90, not $5.00. Elecrow do
any profile milling and sub boards within the cost, PCBway want to charge per
sub board. PCBway load on the shipping, which for me in UK is $12.00. A total
of $17.00.
My last Elecrow
On 29 Mar 2017, at 16:50, gregebert wrote:
> My favorite: Burroughs 5092. Small (0.6" numbers), but very reliable. I've
> never had one fail on me, and I've never encountered a defective one via Ebay.
I have had a few of these used, which showed quite severe cathode poisoning,
but I was able
Just to remind people that the diagram on Dieter's website
http://www.tube-tester.com/sites/nixie/data/in18.htm for the IN-18 pinout is
wrong. I would not know how many people have fallen foul of this, but I did.
The tube needs rotating about 4.15º degrees clockwise. The IN-18 sockets Dieter
As a moderator of this group, I can only endorse what Nick de Smith has said.
This is a friendly group and long shall it remain so.
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On 10 Nov 2016, at 08:37, Paul Parry wrote:
> Many thanks for your kind words!
>
> I recon some Enigma rotors would go very well, or ( If I have spelt it
> correct ) one of those Strowger relays that they had at telephone exchanges
> before they went digital, certainly go ka-chunk and move
On 2 Nov 2016, at 06:29, Nick wrote:
> The DS323x series are simple great chips - they may be a few $ more, but it's
> not all about cost - lower component count, greater accuracy (actually,
> phenomenal accuracy).
>
> What's not to like?
>
> Nick
A few more $$$s? You can buy a - DS3231
Talking of Gerber viewers, if you are on Mac OSX, from Yosemite onwards, then
download the free community edition of Cuprum
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cuprum-community-edition/id1053217412?mt=12 and
it will add a Quicklook plugin for Gerber files, so they preview as images
right there in
I built one of these as my first clock and it was horrendous. It's almost
impossible to set the time with a magnet without overshooting. I found it was
better to split the hours and minutes, because otherwise if you overshoot the
minutes setting it clocks the hours on.
I also found the CMOS
I had an IN-17 break on me and I was surprised at how little force broke it.
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 16:12, Trumpeter wrote:
>
>
> I have a lot of my other tubes stored loose in plastic bags (20-30 in a large
> ziplock for instance) then placed inside a box with a label that indicted the
Excellent work Karl. Very interesting and its always good to get the desired
result in the end. I am following your progress with great interest.
John S
On 22 Aug 2016, at 06:11, karl welty wrote:
> With the parts order having arrived I was able to hook up the circuit
> per my idea. It works
Hi Karl and welcome to the group. It's refreshing to see a neon project that is
auditory rather than visual. I've been watching your progress with neon
oscillators over on Muffwiggler for some time.
This group has a wide range of members ranging from the highly-artistic to
technically-expert.
On 21 Jul 2016, at 16:43, Nicholas Stock wrote:
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lasermad/time-flies-levitating-nixie-clock
I've seen one or two of my nixie clocks levitate, but only when my wife has
decided to clean my work table and has moved an unhoused example. It's usually
followed
I was looking at this recently. The man needs to get out more…
John
On 5 Jul 2016, at 21:16, Nick wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71h9XZbAWY
>
> LOTS and LOTS of LEDs!
>
> Nick
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On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:50, Mike Allen wrote:
> Do you guys know about this blue dot problem?
Yes but I think it is relatively rare. I never had it.
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On 19 May 2016, at 21:15, Nick wrote:
> I wasn't getting at you at all John :) The MAX1771 is a subtle beast and
> quick to anger - if you recall I had a look at your setup and couldn't see
> what was causing it to misbehave... it took me about 6 goes (and discussions
> with Maxim) before my
On 18 May 2016, at 15:49, Nick wrote:
> The design on that page has been built many 100s of time with no problems -
> where people have had issues is where they've chosen to ignore the very
> specific guidelines on component choice and layout :)
>
> Nick
That'll be me ignoring your guidelines
I understand that Dr. Timmy's Caffeinated Nixie tubes come in Cherry,
Lemon/Lime, Fruit Punch, Watermelon, and Blue Raspberry.
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On 14 Apr 2016, at 20:14, Jonathan Peakall wrote:
> HI All,
>
> In a couple of weeks, I'm going to be helping my nephew to assemble a 3D
> printer. One of the first projects I would like to use it for is to make some
> B9012 Pixie tube sockets.
>
> I've never used a 3D printer, so it is all
On 22 Mar 2016, at 20:55, Nick wrote:
> Very nice. Small point -shouldn't R17 be connected to +12V ?
>
> Nick
In my case it doesn't seem to make any damned difference - I can never get
those Max1771s to play nicely.
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Does the fact the site states 'Kickstarter Edition' imply there will be a
different one? Mysteriously another batch of tubes will be found? I failed to
locate it on kickstarter.
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On 16 Mar 2016, at 15:10, Petro Vodopyan wrote:
> Hello,
> Wanted to share an interesting finding - IV-21
On 13 Feb 2016, at 16:51, John Rehwinkel wrote:
> Electronic Goldmine has a sale on small (10mm long, 3.8mm diameter) neon
> bulbs, fifty for US$5 until the 15th:
>
> http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G20996A
>
> - John
Well they won't ship to the UK. Who might be
The 20 accumulators that could store a ten digit signed number I suppose is
ram. When my father worked on an Eniac in the 1960s he used punched cards for
storage. I guess it was just an overblown calculator.
I attach a memo of computer usage from 1954,
John S
On 11 Feb 2016, at 22:38, David
This one?
https://github.com/hansj66/Nixie-socket-LC516--IN-1
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On 11 Feb 2016, at 01:40, 'Dave' via neonixie-l wrote:
> Does anyone have stl files or design files for any of the Nixie tube sockets?
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Prosperity will eat itself.
I just bought a JYE tech mini dig-it scope to build into something. I know it's
a pile of poo, but at about $13 USD inc. shipping, I really don't mind. I just
wanted something that will view audio waveforms - the added noise is not an
issue. But JYE tech are
On 21 Jan 2016, at 18:23, Tomislav Kordaso wrote:
> Bad Dog Designs is funny to read as written in Cyrillic.
It would also be funny in Glagolitic.
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On 20 Jan 2016, at 20:52, Tom Harris wrote:
> I did a Google search on krcka tesla and it corrected it to "cracked Tesla".
> Some people's opinion on his state of mind!
You just spelled Krka wrongly - drop the c.
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On 19 Jan 2016, at 21:35, Marcin Adamski wrote:
> Maybe it is in Serbian?
Tesla was Croatian.
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On 19 Jan 2016, at 23:22, Instrument Resources of America wrote:
> Wikipedia states that he was indeed born in Smiljan, Austrian Empire, which
> is today modern Croatia, but then states that his ethnicity was Serb. Just
> how does that work out to be that way? Seems odd or off some how to me.
On 9 Jan 2016, at 15:59, Nick wrote:
> Just got to admire those nixies...
I'll rise to the bait. Are the nipples on the top or the bottom on those tubes?
Finbarr Saunders and his double entendres
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On 30 Dec 2015, at 21:54, Andy Tefft wrote:
> Anyone been using a Raspberry pi in any nixie projects?
Did anyone manage to get one of the Pi Zeros that were free on the cover of
Magpi magazine? I tried, but they'd all sold out instantly where I live.
Crazy cheap to buy anyway at £4 or $5
I heard of a guy who is sort doing the reverse - he is taking the four levels
of neon dot intensity found on DMD displays and mapping these to different
colours on an RGB LED matrix, to get automatic pseudo-colouring. I bet he knows
how the drivers work inside out.
As the original displays get
On 27 Dec 2015, at 05:04, Golferron 54 wrote:
> I have probably gone past the fine line of excessive, to obsessive going
> through 41 pins in the last 10 years.
Oh please, this is lightweight obsessive. I can find you a number of UK
collectors who have in excess of 100 pinball machines at any
On 27 Dec 2015, at 20:55, golferron wrote:
> John S.
>
> You got an awesome line up of clocks. Very creative. I saw you did a clock
> design using a BK2000 display ... I love BK2000 and with a subwolfer it
> sounds as awesome as it looks with the Doug Watson artwork.
>
> But I digress
Sure Paul I can do that for you, no problem. You have my email.
John S
On 7 Dec 2015, at 16:26, Paul Parry wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Would there be someone here who has the necessary symbol libraries and pcb
> software to lay out a small Nixie PCB for me?
> I'm making a couple of thermometers, and
On 4 Sep 2015, at 11:54, Paolo Cravero wrote:
> Or, for a more DIY solution, referring to
> http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=109 , would a modified
> pocket plasma ball work as a tester? I found a small USB plasma ball for as
> low as 8 USD incl. shipping (banggood,
On 3 Sep 2015, at 14:12, 'Grahame Marsh' via neonixie-l wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> Interesting, how many volts does it put out? A bit like a one lead taser
> perhaps? I wonder what the cats would think of it!
>
> G
I'll poke mine at a cat next time one is around.
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On 3 Sep 2015, at 14:03, Nick wrote:
> Not my auction - I already have one of these - quite useful when you are and
> about or in the lab and want to quickly check tubes for gas (when they should
> have some, e.g. nixies) and gas when they shouldn't (like radio valves).
>
>
On 24 Aug 2015, at 19:31, NeonJohn wrote:
On 08/24/2015 11:48 AM, Quixotic Nixotic wrote:
The owner of this burger joint took it to pieces in 1997. The sign is now
for
sale for US $18,000. Sale includes the green roof tiles and white porcelain
panels.
The person selling claims
In the way that art mirrors real life (or is it the other way round?) I have
also been following the shenanigans of the revived Dreamland Amusement Park in
Margate, UK, with a modicum of bored interest. As with so many of England's
seaside resorts, when hard times hit and repair bills run high
On 12 Aug 2015, at 07:27, Dekatron42 wrote:
There is a clip of that part here:
http://www.aetv.com/storage-wars/video/daves-nixie-tube-clock
/Martin
I have a friend who runs UK auctions of coin-operated amusement machines,
circus and fairground memorabilia
Mike Harrison and his link to the GE Glow lamp manual at
http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/oldbooks.html has been mentioned in a thread
about the musical application of neon at Muffwiggler, in the music synthesiser
DIY section. Some of you might be interested, or have something to contribute.
On 21 Apr 2015, at 20:08, John Rehwinkel wrote:
That's using an op-amp as a comparator. This is generally not a good idea.
Use a comparator instead.
In what way is using an op-amp comparator not using a comparator?
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On 16 Apr 2015, at 20:48, robin bussell wrote:
Can you tell me more about Walking the tree of word association sounds
interesting ... does each word have stored with it the most likely next words
according to a literature analysis or something?
No, I think it was that old game where you
On 9 Apr 2015, at 18:04, Nick wrote:
These are Seletti letters - they are pretty much the only company doing this
- lots of places sell them - nice though.
Cheaper elsewhere too. Thanks for the heads up. Tempting...
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On 24 Mar 2015, at 23:36, Nick wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 21:36:21 UTC, Nixcited delighted wrote:
Yes, it's another Firesign Theater quote. But I am trying to work out if this
multiple Klein bottle could be filled with gas or not and if so, which parts
would glow? Answers on the back
Yes, it's another Firesign Theater quote. But I am trying to work out if this
multiple Klein bottle could be filled with gas or not and if so, which parts
would glow? Answers on the back of a banknote of your choice please.
I can't wait for Nick de Smith to make me one, now he has the skillset.
On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:29, Petro Vodopyan wrote:
Beautiful piece of art.
http://pikabu.ru/view/podoshli_k_kontsu_dva_goda_ruchnoy_rabotyi_nad_chasami_na_gazorazryadnyikh_indikatorakh_in14_rezultat_otsenivayte_sami_3153651
It's like something out of Myst.
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Looking through the Television Journal of November 1934, I came across this
advertisement.
'May be used in place of any existing Neon Lamp without alteration' caught my
eye. I guess that is in the context of a 1934 telly.
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On 8 Mar 2015, at 11:27, Tidak Ada wrote:
Never heard about the neon lamps used in early mechanical television? The
neon lamp (Neontron®) was used as a light source behind the Nipkow disc.
No, never. Is it this thing, or is this mercury vapour?
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On 6 Mar 2015, at 16:33, Michail1 via neonixie-l wrote:
Now how are you going to convince the seller that you didn't drop it?
I am surprised at how many laptop screens I replace for people and it's
always the same It was like that when I opened the box (a month or two
after
A while back I took Clock-It.net offline, as I wanted to make the site
responsive for mobile devices and also convert it to Nerdpress so that people
might comment. It rather fell by the wayside as other projects took hold, not
least of which was going into the very depths of hell and back.
A
On 4 Mar 2015, at 17:37, lai...@wcoil.com wrote:
I laughed so hard I bumped my neon the table. Fortunately I wasn't hurt, I
had thick pants on as summer days argon. These puns were a noble gas but
most people would want to barium.
The real joke is that I got those photos from Ebay years ago.
Shall we get onto Spoonerisms now or shall we solder on regardless? US people
won't get that as they call solder sarder. Do they call a soldier a sardiar
over there?
John S
When I said 'US people' I should have said 'Merkins', as in 'Ma fellow
Merkins'. If you need to look up merkin,
To which the K'niggits replied; 'Ar!'
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On 3 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Nick de Smith wrote:
Thanks John, I knew I could rely on you!
This group is a real gas.
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On 26 Dec 2014, at 19:51, Nick wrote:
Indeed. A pair of ESL-63s once owned by the recently deceased Sir Clive
Sinclair...
Accounts of Sir Clive's demise might be greatly exaggerated. Stephen had a
Christmas card from him and Clive says he's looking forward to them both
meeting up in the New
Really lovely Nick. Impressive dovetailing.
I am sure Minnie loves it and you in equal measure. I am not sure she is quite
so keen about the Quad electrostatics I dumped in your kitchen. Is there any
room left in your kitchen for food or cooking? I'd suggest with all those volts
you don't put
On 7 Dec 2014, at 17:04, 'westdave' via neonixie-l wrote:
i thought they should be called a PLEXY
Acryluminescent?
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On 28 Nov 2014, at 22:28, David Forbes wrote:
I've been working on non-nixie stuff... a bit of RF signal processing kit for
this:
http://kicphubs.uchicago.edu/depot/images/sptaerial-large_ver_1.jpg
It's at the South Pole. I'm not going, but the gizmo is shipping out this
Monday AM.
On 28 Nov 2014, at 18:00, Ron Walsh wrote:
As a matter of fact I am working on a clock for my wife. :)
Is it a fair exchange Ron? Who is offering deals like that?
I am getting a pinball machine with a good shiny gas plasma dot matrix display
very soon. Nick de Smith, you will have to come
On 28 Nov 2014, at 21:30, Nick wrote:
That's a really nice panaplex - what model is it?
Nick
I thought you were not going to buy any more stuff Nick?
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I also provide a photo of one other watch that he bought then but has been
wearing a lot.
Now you have his DNA, are you going to clone him?
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On 15 Oct 2014, at 13:24, Nick wrote:
People may or may not know that Supertex were recently bought by Microchip
(April 2014)...
Nick
Good. Free samples all round then :)
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On 11 Oct 2014, at 19:01, Grahame Marsh wrote:
Hi
The LM9022 IC which is a fairly niffty VFD driver has turned up on ebay item
171472657676
No affiliation.
Grahame
I never understood why I was still ordering and getting free samples, long
after everyone on this group was saying
On 19 Sep 2014, at 17:06, 'threeneurons' via neonixie-l wrote:
The Bob Blick one is a classic ! That one goes way back. I've seen propeller
clocks go back, maybe decades. Fry's Electronics, here in California, use to
sell them. The one that fits on your bike wheel is the best currently made
On 18 Sep 2014, at 19:09, Dman777 wrote:
Hi,
I thought I would let every know about this cool kickstarter project(not by
me)is a POV Disk. Looks cool...hope it get's its funding met:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1680424292/pov-disk
Not cool, it makes my blood boil. Does
On 27 Aug 2014, at 14:32, Nick wrote:
Nick
Re: [neonixie-l] Interesting neon sign...
Fine piece of work.
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On 24 Aug 2014, at 23:48, NeonJohn wrote:
I think this is what you're looking for
http://www.neon-john.com/Neon/Nixie_Fonts/Nixotic_index.htm
John
Enjoy. By the way I still reserve copyright on these fonts, but always free for
your own use.
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Has anybody used this outfit for PCBs? Accutrace inc, trading as pcb4u.com.
http://www.pcb4u.com/a1ad77.asp
I am asking, because they are doing a US $30 + $10 FedEx shipping deal (is this
US only?) on ten double side boards up to 20 square inches, 129 square
centimetres. This seems a very
On 10 Aug 2014, at 13:37, Arne Rossius wrote:
Hi,
Quixotic Nixotic wrote:
Has anybody used this outfit for PCBs? Accutrace inc, trading as
pcb4u.com.
[...]
I am asking, because they are doing a US $30 + $10 FedEx shipping
deal (is this US only?) on ten double side boards up to 20 square
On 10 Jul 2014, at 04:43, MichaelB wrote:
This is a truly sad day. Jeff Thomas has passed away.
May I ask how old he was and what dependants he has left? A sad affair indeed.
I condole all those who need condoling,
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On 21 Jun 2014, at 06:43, Dman777 wrote:
Since I am still new at this, I was wondering what the community opinion on
which is the biggest and prettiest side viewing nixie tubes. The only one I
am really familiar with is the Nixie 12.
I vote for GR10J
http://youtu.be/fVFsrleA3pw
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On 21 Jun 2014, at 17:45, Dman777 wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the replies but I think I might of gotten my terminology wrong. I
mean the non-top tubeslike the Nixie 12.
What is a Nixie 12?
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On 19 Jun 2014, at 15:36, Petro Vodopyan wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8fCdExID8QNR this is awful :(
Not quite as dramatic perhaps as when UK band The KLF deliberately burned GBP
£1,000,000 in an artistic statement on 23rd August 1994.
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On 12 Apr 2014, at 20:01, threeneurons wrote:
I know. Its just that it popped out, when I went to eBay, yesterday. They
want over $400, for a pair of relatively small speakers, that can't possibly
have sound to match that price !
As a designer of more years than I care to admit, I see
I often use a classic 555 nixie power supply as I find they always work for me
and are very tolerant of any PCB layout abuse I submit them to in my infinite
ignorance.
My question is: Is there a simple way of switching a 555-generated timer off
from a 5v logic gate, as I would like it to go to
I just wanted to say how pleased I am with some little I2C modules that seem to
be sold everywhere by the Chinese. They work really well.
They have a DS3231 clock, with socketed battery backup including the
rechargeable battery, an AT24C32 memory with 4096 bytes of memory, all
necessary
On 12 Apr 2014, at 23:03, Michel van der Meij wrote:
Hi John,
I use the attached circuit in my ZX81 nixie clock and works great. On J7 pin
1 is the 12V input (mine is 9V btw). Pin 2 can be pulled down to gnd with an
open collector circuit which will then power up the 555 circuit. The
On 3 Apr 2014, at 08:26, petehand wrote:
Does anyone remember these things?
Brits will deduce the era of this device from the currency. It consisted of
simple neon relaxation oscillators powered from a 90V portable tube radio
battery, the whole potted in solid plastic. I saw much nicer
On 28 Mar 2014, at 15:52, John Rehwinkel wrote:
The problem with old SRBP PCB's is that contacts that rotate on them leave a
track of dirt which will carry leakage currents.
What is SRBP?
- John
Synthetic resin bonded paper.
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I bought 1,000 of these and conditioned a whole bunch of them for a ring
counter clock. Many of them started to flicker and develop bad habits. I think
they are just not very good neons.
John S
On 1 Mar 2014, at 13:17, Spencer wrote:
Hello All!
I bought these for the nixie clocks,
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:11, micha...@aol.com wrote:
Isn't it pretty darn stupid for a scammer to email the group without
instruction on sending money directly? And, to top it off know that hitting
a reply simply goes back to the entire group?
The first one I received was to my personal email
Museum of Computing - www.tnmoc.org
On 20 November 2012 12:54, Quixotic Nixotic nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk wrote:
Hi Kevin,
While we are all happy that the Harwell Witch computer is now working again,
it seems that members of the neonixie-l@googlegroups.com group that donated
their rare tubes
On 30 Jan 2014, at 22:01, Jeff Thomas wrote:
On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:36:21 PM UTC-7, Nixcited delighted wrote:
Anyone come across Royworld before? Modern beat combo - found them by
complete accident.
Nice to see another NixiSat has surfaced. For the newer members, the NixiSat
I never met Sid, he was already dead, but I did know his mum Anne Beverley
through a mutual friend in the music business. She told me crazy stories about
Sid, like the time he came round and urinated on her television while she was
watching it. She asked him why and Sid said he was 'combatting
My feelings are best left unspoken,
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1692415722/steampunk-nixie-clock
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On 25 Jan 2014, at 06:10, Michel van der Meij wrote:
I would feel a bit anxious to leave a wooden clock switched on for say 24
hrs/day, especially if it is not my own design. Just worried it would catch
fire at a moment I am asleep or not there. Is that just me or do other people
have that
On 17 Jan 2014, at 02:53, Nicholas Stock wrote:
I remember a long time ago someone was describing how to color the glass
envelope on a nixie tube...are there any instructions out there on how to do
this?
I believe our esteemed group leader Nick de Smith had some good results and I
am sure
On 17 Jan 2014, at 17:55, John Rehwinkel wrote:
Reading a bit more about how Gottlieb used these displays, they put the
filament AC voltage on an 8v DC offset pedestal for the big displays and 5v
DC for the smaller VFDs. Is this going to be necessary if I am using a 0v-5v
AC filament that
I bought a bunch of bare bayonet bases from Goodwill sales. Chinese, but a UK
outlet. They say free shipping to US:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190959073359
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Goodwill-Leds-Sales/AUTO-LED-LAMPS-AND-ACCESSORIES-/_i.html?_fsub=352352014_sid=142199144_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
Punch
Is there something about you we should know, Morris?
John S
On 5 Jan 2014, at 00:35, Morris Odell wrote:
Hi all,
I was in New Zealand recently and visited the Clapham National Clock Museum
in a town called Whangarei. One of the items there caught my eye, it was a
German skull clock from
On 26 Dec 2013, at 13:19, JohnK wrote:
Wowsie... nice box
John K
Who are we talking about now? I'm lost.
John S
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On 26 Dec 2013, at 13:56, JohnK wrote:
ah... the picture on Nick's post.
ah… I thought you were replying to my topic subject.
Nick has many interesting boxes and inside most are other interesting boxes,
John S
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On 25 Dec 2013, at 05:04, Matthew Smith wrote:
It's the folks on lists like these that can make the difference of an
enjoyable hobby and a source of frustration. Thanks all, from me.
M
Oh I do so agree Matthew. I used to enjoy my hobby very much when I lived in
blissful ignorance, but
On 30 Sep 2013, at 07:30, Nick wrote:
On Monday, 30 September 2013 04:05:22 UTC+1, Joseph Bento wrote:
Here's a video of a guy getting really excited over the touch buttons:
Ummm. I thought that we were pretty sad liking cold-cathode stuff that much,
but I think that this guy need
Hello guys,
I think I can call this first my first nixie tube ;-)
Well done, a beautiful job.
Best wishes, John S
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On 23 Jul 2013, at 01:21, gregeb...@hotmail.com wrote:
The recent IV-11 posts have aroused my curiosity, so does anyone have
firsthand experience with long-lifetime VFD displays ?
I'd want to keep mine on all the time. Obviously the filament is a concern,
and I'd be tempted to crank down
On 18 Jun 2013, at 18:54, Dave wrote:
Any reviews or comments?
ebay in-14 clock kit
I think a bare PCB and microcontroller is stretching the kit idea a bit.
A bare pcb and a programmed chip for 29 dollars isn't a huge bargain.
Especially as you have to source the exact switches etc that
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