Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-26 Thread Paolo Cravero
Hello. On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 9:22 AM 'Ian Vine' via neonixie-l < neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Any chance the documentation could be shared to all? > > Thanks Ian > Aliexpress proposed me the kit today even if it is sold out. At the bottom of the description (https://bit.ly/3yNgelV)

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-23 Thread gregebert
UPDATE 2: Both boards are complete, everything connected together. I was unable to get a visible trace on the CRT. Voltages seem correct, but for some reason the fuse protecting the filament blew out. Filament did not blow as confirmed by continuity. I need to investigate further, and will

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-22 Thread Paolo Cravero
Hello. My boards take about 10W input, that is ~800mA at 13V. Without a CRT connected the current drops to ~470mA. A word of caution to current builders. Q6, Q9, Q12 and Q15 (all MPSA44) on the PSU board get pretty hot. I measure 60°C on the top of their plastic case! Even without a CRT

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-22 Thread gregebert
For copyright reasons I wont post them; the seller emailed them to me within 24 hours so if you dont have them in your kit, be sure to contact them so they know about the problem. On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 12:22:17 AM UTC-7 iavine wrote: > Any chance the documentation could be shared to

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-22 Thread 'Ian Vine' via neonixie-l
Any chance the documentation could be shared to all? Thanks Ian > On 22 May 2021, at 04:14, Bill Stanley wrote: > >  > OK, that was quick. Opened the box, all parts appeared to be in good shape, > but no documentation of any kind. If I could prevail on the other builders > for a copy of

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-21 Thread Bill Stanley
OK, that was quick. Opened the box, all parts appeared to be in good shape, but no documentation of any kind. If I could prevail on the other builders for a copy of the instructions/schematics, it would speed up my build. Thanks; -Bill- On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 6:23:56 PM UTC-7 Bill

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-21 Thread Bill Stanley
Toss another kit on the barbie My kit arrived today so I will be building it over the weekend. Watching the comments closely. -Bill- On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 5:14:24 PM UTC-7 gregebert wrote: > I have an Aneng UT61e; cheap but quite good. One of my scopes has a pair > of 100x probes

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-21 Thread gregebert
I have an Aneng UT61e; cheap but quite good. One of my scopes has a pair of 100x probes that lets me look at a few kV, but I was too lazy to bring it up today. If I run into problems I'll post some screenshots. After installing the diff-amp transistors and Q1, current-drain increased to 360mA.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-21 Thread John Snow
Paying full attention - what model DMM do you have if you can't directly connect it? I have an 87V I'm happy to connect as it's rated for 1KV. On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 11:38:27 PM UTC+1 gregebert wrote: > UPDATE 1: I built the power supply/driver board and completed some basic > testing. I

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-21 Thread gregebert
UPDATE 1: I built the power supply/driver board and completed some basic testing. I installed all components EXCEPT the transistors for the diff-amp that drives the CRT. The standby current at 12V is zero. The HV supply can be enabled by grounding the POWER_ON signal; that causes the inverter

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-20 Thread John Snow
I've been checking over solderjoints, hoping to find a Q or U with a solderbridge, no luck. Ah, I hadn't made the connection - I found your build guide before, it's what made me decide to order one. It's been useful for making A or B comparions for anything standing out. I've also been

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-20 Thread Paolo Cravero
John, pictures of my build are here: https://ik1zyw.blogspot.com/2020/10/kit-oscilloscope-clock-8sj31j-review-3.html The code on the HV board is the same. I think I reversed a 79Lxx, but the smell of it burning was too obvious and I cannot tell what the effect was on the CRT. I do get

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-19 Thread gregebert
60V on the indicator bulb (NL1) indicates the transformer is being driven, but you cant tell if the HV is high enough; can you measure VCC_300 to see if it's in the ballpark ? Can you scope-out pins 1 & 2 of the transformer to see what kind of waveform is present for the filament supply ?

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-19 Thread Paolo Cravero
Hello. Is the filament glowing visibly after one minute of power on? Is the filament fuse still good? Can you confirm current flows there? If all above check positive, in dark room do you see the green shade of the beam out of the screen? My kit draws less than 2A, I am quite sure. 650 mA go

[neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-19 Thread John Snow
Tried it with a 12V 3A and 12V 4A power supply, can't get either 8SJ31J tube I have to light up from turning R21 Intensity. Both power board orange bulb and control's red led light up though, I've ordered a 12V 5A power supply hoping that'll sort it. On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 21:31:08 UTC+1

[neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-19 Thread John Snow
Forwarded the documentation on, rotary control board turned up, I'm on to calibration On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 20:01:19 UTC+1 gregebert wrote: > My kit arrived today WITHOUT instructions. Damn! If anyone has an > electronic copy, please let me know. I'm contacting the seller. Nothing I

[neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-19 Thread gregebert
My kit arrived today WITHOUT instructions. Damn! If anyone has an electronic copy, please let me know. I'm contacting the seller. Nothing I could find on their website. But at least I dont have to worry about the CRT connections because they prewired it for me. On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at

[neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-18 Thread John Snow
Assembled all of it & somehow managed to misplace the rotary control board. They've made a few near-substitutions in the parts list, notably the XYZ board part #46 - 1 piece 510K is now a 1M resistor, this was the last one I soldered, presuming uprated intentionally. There's a few more with

[neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-18 Thread Pruttel
Replying to myself: since I couldn't attach, I've put two photos online: https://possob.xs4all.nl/sylvania/ Any help is appreciated! Iwan On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:14:56 PM UTC+2 Pruttel wrote: > Since this is a CRT topic, I thought I'd ask it here: I got a rectangular > Sylvania CRT at

[neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-18 Thread Pruttel
Since this is a CRT topic, I thought I'd ask it here: I got a rectangular Sylvania CRT at a HAM flea market quite some time ago, but I cannot find any info on it. I wanted to attach a photo of the tube + label, but the google website won't let me? The type is SC3015P1B, serial 2391113.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-16 Thread John Snow
Ahh, my mistake - the filiment pins 14 and 1 are next to each other - the other diagram above showed a gap between 14 and 1. The pin numbers are nicely moulded in the base if you remove the socket.[image: Tube End.PNG] The tube has pins 6 and 13 absent from the tube, and the wired-up socket

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-16 Thread John Snow
When you get your kit can I check the socket wiring with you? Mine doesn't match the wiring for the 8SJ31J in the seller's datasheet, but is pre-soldered & heatshunk and already on the tube. I'm worried they made an off-by-one error wiring it up. On Saturday, 15 May 2021 at 05:53:11 UTC+1

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-14 Thread gregebert
Most likely, the error is in the text description in the instruction manual. From the datasheet, pin 9 is the multi-anode connection, and pin 5 is the single anode. I am more likely to follow the connections to specific pin numbers in the instructions, rather than the text-description. Pin 9 is

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-05-14 Thread John Snow
I'm trying to figure out how it's put together before I start soldering. As Paolo mentioned the only mystery part is the transformer T-SC-1 on the parts list - it looks like a custom order. I don't know how to characterise it without destructively pulling it apart, and unfortunately they don't

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-04-28 Thread John Snow
Huh, ebay auction says 12V 5A, a previous aliexpress page gives much lower values for amperage: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001142939399.html I'm assuming it's the same design from the pictures On Wednesday, 28 April 2021 at 20:18:53 UTC+1 John Snow wrote: > The kit was previously

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-04-28 Thread John Snow
The kit was previously 'avalible' from aliexpress for £56.44, but it was from a seller that held no stock - got refunded as unable to ship. That was minus the tube though, the current ebay link includes the 8SJ31J but lacks a power supply (12V 5A centre+) Unsure on lifespan of tube. On

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-04-28 Thread Paul Andrews
They actually seem very cheap to me... On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 12:56:00 PM UTC-4 John Snow wrote: > There's another 4 of the 8SJ31J kits listed at > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265139148431 , I've ordered one on the > offchance they have them in stock, also the seller has feedback for

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-04-28 Thread 'Gelu Burla' via neonixie-l
What is the life expectance for this tube? ___ On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 08:23:17 PM GMT+3, John Snow wrote: There's another 4 of the 8SJ31J kits listed at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265139148431 , I've ordered one

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-04-28 Thread gregebert
Thanks for the tip; I just bought one. I'll post an update + video after I get it and build it. On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:56:00 AM UTC-7 John Snow wrote: > There's another 4 of the 8SJ31J kits listed at > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265139148431 , I've ordered one on the > offchance

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2021-04-28 Thread John Snow
There's another 4 of the 8SJ31J kits listed at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265139148431 , I've ordered one on the offchance they have them in stock, also the seller has feedback for selling them previously. Bit of a premium tho, and only avalible with tube. On Wednesday, 16 December 2020 at

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2020-12-16 Thread loknar28
Have you looked at these kits? https://oscilloscopeclocknixiecrt.com/Kit.htm Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2020, at 00:17, John Snow wrote: > > I've tried to get that one from Aliexpress previously, but they later > refunded me saying they weren't getting any more stock. > >> On

[neonixie-l] Re: CRT clock kit instructions

2020-12-15 Thread John Snow
I've tried to get that one from Aliexpress previously, but they later refunded me saying they weren't getting any more stock. On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 21:42:35 UTC Pramanicin wrote: > Did anyone else on the list buy one of those recent CRT clock kits that > was listed on eBay? > > like