[neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Dalibor, You are doing some great work! I know a few of the sort of issues you deal with in putting in so much hard work and lots of your time into these tubes. There is no way to ever charge enough for each tube when you sell them to pay you decently for your time. I run into this same thing with my newly made recording-blank cylinders for use on Edison cylinder phonographs. You are doing for nixie tubes what I've done for brown wax Edison blanks. These blanks are for sale, but that is just for fun, the price is just a token amount. There is no way that I can ever be compensated for the sheer amount of time this has taken. Completely O.T., but here's my website for anyone interested: http://www.richardslaboratories.com Chuck Richards Original Message From: amelyena...@gmail.com To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 21:00:35 -0800 (PST) Dalibor: Have you considered adding decimal points to your tubes, or perhaps recreating a tube that has decimal points? The micros that drive clocks these days have a lot of processing power that can be used to display temperature, humidity and other measurements from a myriad of sensors that look better in a floating point format. Using neon lamps or other means of creating colons restricts the display to just time. You can be very creative in displaying conventional time is a format like 12.34.56 (for 12 hours, 34 minutes and 56 seconds) and later display something like 23.6 for twenty three point six degrees. My point is that a tube with decimal points could be very handy for someone who wants to go beyond displaying just time. Your thoughts are welcome. Regards, Jorge On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 11:41:48 AM UTC-8, Dalibor wrote: Thanks guys, I am just grateful to community for helping me with the start and so.. I want to pay back for it, and showing what I've discovered might be good idea.. Regards, Dalibor 2015-02-13 18:25 GMT+01:00 jb-electronics webm...@jb-electronics.de javascript:: Well put, Nick, I completely agree! Jens Nick ni...@desmith.net javascript: hat am 13. Februar 2015 um 16:29 geschrieben: On Friday, 13 February 2015 14:12:21 UTC, Dalibor wrote: ...As for the auction, the price exceeded my expectations and it would be good if it stays there for some time of course ;-) Hey - you deserve every last cent you can get - you've got several of us interested in the possibility of having a go, re-discovered and implemented the technology, and have produced wonderful work !! Cheers Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f71ffc1f-9dd6-4841-a169- 8beebef56ea4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/neonixie-l/9a5d2ICHZA8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/618068828.574825.1423848 348636.JavaMail.open-xchange%40oxbaltgw08.schlund.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Dalibor Farny phone: +420 724 321 571 http://www.daliborfarny.com FB: https://www.facebook.com/daliborfarnycom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/1e669e7f-0571-404d-ac12- adfd52371a7a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Hello, I know that decimal point is sometimes handy feature, however it would be difficult to add it to current tube. But I will definitely think about it when I start designing next tube. Thanks for usecases, Dalibor 2015-02-16 6:00 GMT+01:00 Jorge amelyena...@gmail.com: Dalibor: Have you considered adding decimal points to your tubes, or perhaps recreating a tube that has decimal points? The micros that drive clocks these days have a lot of processing power that can be used to display temperature, humidity and other measurements from a myriad of sensors that look better in a floating point format. Using neon lamps or other means of creating colons restricts the display to just time. You can be very creative in displaying conventional time is a format like 12.34.56 (for 12 hours, 34 minutes and 56 seconds) and later display something like 23.6 for twenty three point six degrees. My point is that a tube with decimal points could be very handy for someone who wants to go beyond displaying just time. Your thoughts are welcome. Regards, Jorge On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 11:41:48 AM UTC-8, Dalibor wrote: Thanks guys, I am just grateful to community for helping me with the start and so.. I want to pay back for it, and showing what I've discovered might be good idea.. Regards, Dalibor 2015-02-13 18:25 GMT+01:00 jb-electronics webm...@jb-electronics.de: Well put, Nick, I completely agree! Jens Nick ni...@desmith.net hat am 13. Februar 2015 um 16:29 geschrieben: On Friday, 13 February 2015 14:12:21 UTC, Dalibor wrote: ...As for the auction, the price exceeded my expectations and it would be good if it stays there for some time of course ;-) Hey - you deserve every last cent you can get - you've got several of us interested in the possibility of having a go, re-discovered and implemented the technology, and have produced wonderful work !! Cheers Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f71ffc1f-9dd6-4841-a169-8beebef56ea4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/neonixie-l/9a5d2ICHZA8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/618068828.574825.1423848348636.JavaMail.open-xchange%40oxbaltgw08.schlund.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Dalibor Farny phone: +420 724 321 571 http://www.daliborfarny.com FB: https://www.facebook.com/daliborfarnycom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/neonixie-l/9a5d2ICHZA8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/1e669e7f-0571-404d-ac12-adfd52371a7a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Dalibor Farny phone: +420 724 321 571 http://www.daliborfarny.com FB: https://www.facebook.com/daliborfarnycom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CA%2BnkT5qw4qoJhnJjjZ8tp7k_pmwj-Pfc9W9%2BZCRugU%2BEsSL7Zg%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Dalibor: Have you considered adding decimal points to your tubes, or perhaps recreating a tube that has decimal points? The micros that drive clocks these days have a lot of processing power that can be used to display temperature, humidity and other measurements from a myriad of sensors that look better in a floating point format. Using neon lamps or other means of creating colons restricts the display to just time. You can be very creative in displaying conventional time is a format like 12.34.56 (for 12 hours, 34 minutes and 56 seconds) and later display something like 23.6 for twenty three point six degrees. My point is that a tube with decimal points could be very handy for someone who wants to go beyond displaying just time. Your thoughts are welcome. Regards, Jorge On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 11:41:48 AM UTC-8, Dalibor wrote: Thanks guys, I am just grateful to community for helping me with the start and so.. I want to pay back for it, and showing what I've discovered might be good idea.. Regards, Dalibor 2015-02-13 18:25 GMT+01:00 jb-electronics webm...@jb-electronics.de javascript:: Well put, Nick, I completely agree! Jens Nick ni...@desmith.net javascript: hat am 13. Februar 2015 um 16:29 geschrieben: On Friday, 13 February 2015 14:12:21 UTC, Dalibor wrote: ...As for the auction, the price exceeded my expectations and it would be good if it stays there for some time of course ;-) Hey - you deserve every last cent you can get - you've got several of us interested in the possibility of having a go, re-discovered and implemented the technology, and have produced wonderful work !! Cheers Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f71ffc1f-9dd6-4841-a169-8beebef56ea4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/neonixie-l/9a5d2ICHZA8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/618068828.574825.1423848348636.JavaMail.open-xchange%40oxbaltgw08.schlund.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Dalibor Farny phone: +420 724 321 571 http://www.daliborfarny.com FB: https://www.facebook.com/daliborfarnycom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/1e669e7f-0571-404d-ac12-adfd52371a7a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Hi Matt, thanks for your time with such a long message, especially for overview of the crowdfunding platforms. First, I am going to make a low-cost documentary, no special effects, just simple, calm video. I have more reasons to make it - I also expect it to spread around the tube lovers (nixie tubes, hifi tubes and so..). It will also show the amount of work and skills needed to make working tubes and justify why few pieces of glass with bent metal sheet cost $1k. It can be said that I consider it a marketing instrument. I want to cover it from my pocket, I dont think it would be right to ask people either for donation or crowdfunding - it is commercial project. I will also make a DVD with more stuff on it then online, so if someone wants to support the work, he will have possibility to buy the DVD. It is your money, but I feel like you might be limiting your future willingness to continue making nixie tubes for others by continuing to subsidize the costs (parts + labor) using your gratefulness to the community. Well, I am not sure if I understand meaning of this sentence. But dont be afraid about this project from the financial point of view, I learned to be cost effective and I know where to set the price so that I can survive and save means for future development. About the money I already spent on it.. Well, I would be satisfied if I am allowed to do this work that I really love, I dont need them immediately back. However, I believe that this is promising project that will enable me to build a small viable company around it. About the crowdfunding in general, I know that it is great help how to sell a lots of products in short time and start the business. However, it is also very demanding to manage the campaign and manufacture this big amount of products in short time. Most of the funded projects ships with significant delay, that brings stress and I dont work much well under stress. If I want to stay motivated and creative, I cant work under stress, deadlines and so.. Best regards! Dalibor 2015-02-14 4:30 GMT+01:00 Matt mc10...@matthewc.net: It is your money, but I feel like you might be limiting your future willingness to continue making nixie tubes for others by continuing to subsidize the costs (parts + labor) using your gratefulness to the community. Granted, you may never be able to cover all of your labor costs, so this will likely remain a hobby, but if other people are willing to throw money towards a nixie tube documentary, then they should be able to. Then, hopefully, you will let the community enjoy the fruits of your hobby for a little bit longer. If you have the money for the video, then spending it as you see fit is going to be a lot easier than dealing with the general public via a crowd funding campaign. Putting up a donation page after a person watches the video is the least time consuming way to get compensated if all you count is the time spent on potential obligations and refunds. But asking for it beforehand might motivate people more and take advantage of the wide audience that some of these crowd funding sites have. In other words, there might be an opportunity to get more people interested in this viscerally gratifying display technology. To keep this technology alive, it would be advantageous to keep the community size stable or growing. My intention is not to convince you to do anything, but just to put this information out there. Kickstarter would be perfect for raising funds for a documentary. It focuses more on the arts than any other crowd funding site that I know of. The audience there generally expects entertainment, but a howto video might work there. The only problem with it is that it only offers all or nothing funding with an unlimited donation total and a strict deadline for when those donations have to be made. Indiegogo is a little better in that it offers extensions to deadlines when it makes sense to extend the deadline. It also offers flexible funding, which is useful if your project will go ahead regardless of the amount donated. Just to contrast the use of crowd funding: For hardware with multiple quantities, Kickstarter is the worst. Indiegogo is okay, but there are other crowd funding sites that specialize in hardware projects that plan on being sold after the fundraising period ends. crowdsupply.com allows pre-orders after the fundraising period ends and can become a regular store when items are in stock. This is great for ensuring cash flow between the different stages of product development and keeps you from getting distracted from running your own store front. Tindie does not deal with funding, but it is a store for hobbyists. People sell kits, finished products, and excess inventory of component parts. There are already a few people selling nixie stuff there, which many of you may already be familiar with. Although eBay does reach a wider audience. I am generally less hesitant
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Hi Dalibor, Sounds great. I know enough about materials and manufacturing to appreciate what you are building and the prices involved, but for people growing up in today's world of cheap semi-disposable durable goods, that appreciation usually takes a bit of education. Your response sounds like you understood the meaning of that sentence. Basically, I prefer not to see you build a few things under budget, get burnout, and loose interest. I am glad that you are making this project sustainable. For the most part, the DVD option sounds good, but as the music industry has discovered, and the movie industry is discovering, people prefer the instant gratification that only Internet downloads can provide. Besides, 480p (assuming that you meant DVD video instead of DVD data) is awful for video resolution these days. I would think that most people would prefer to view this type of information on their laptop so that they can follow along in their shop. Not all of them have DVD drives these days. 1080p should be the minimum that you distribute. And you are right about crowdfunding being stressful. Most of the time, you need at least one person dedicated towards mangaging the campaign and social aspects of it. And that is not counting the contemptible contributors who take your best guesses for what can get done and when as some kind of pseudo legal commitment. The things I avoid doing just to avoid these type of people... Anyway... Best regards! On 02/14/2015 06:43 AM, Dalibor Farný wrote: Hi Matt, thanks for your time with such a long message, especially for overview of the crowdfunding platforms. First, I am going to make a low-cost documentary, no special effects, just simple, calm video. I have more reasons to make it - I also expect it to spread around the tube lovers (nixie tubes, hifi tubes and so..). It will also show the amount of work and skills needed to make working tubes and justify why few pieces of glass with bent metal sheet cost $1k. It can be said that I consider it a marketing instrument. I want to cover it from my pocket, I dont think it would be right to ask people either for donation or crowdfunding - it is commercial project. I will also make a DVD with more stuff on it then online, so if someone wants to support the work, he will have possibility to buy the DVD. It is your money, but I feel like you might be limiting your future willingness to continue making nixie tubes for others by continuing to subsidize the costs (parts + labor) using your gratefulness to the community. Well, I am not sure if I understand meaning of this sentence. But dont be afraid about this project from the financial point of view, I learned to be cost effective and I know where to set the price so that I can survive and save means for future development. About the money I already spent on it.. Well, I would be satisfied if I am allowed to do this work that I really love, I dont need them immediately back. However, I believe that this is promising project that will enable me to build a small viable company around it. About the crowdfunding in general, I know that it is great help how to sell a lots of products in short time and start the business. However, it is also very demanding to manage the campaign and manufacture this big amount of products in short time. Most of the funded projects ships with significant delay, that brings stress and I dont work much well under stress. If I want to stay motivated and creative, I cant work under stress, deadlines and so.. Best regards! Dalibor -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/54DFD089.8010003%40matthewc.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Hello, from my experience, when I stop pumping before achieving 10E-6 torr range, the tube will have too high striking voltage and will not work well because of impurities. This pressure is on the gauge, not actuall pressure in the tube which may be an order higher. It is also specific for my pumping system, it might be different on other systems. Impurities actually have big impact on striking voltage, 10E-3 torr pressure before filling is not enough. Nick described it pretty well, no need to write more.. Just one thing - there is HUGE amount of moisture in the glass envelope which will stay here until You heat it over 150C, there is also a lot of trapped air in stainless steel, some organic stuff and so.. But the moisture makes 95% of all the impurities.. As for the auction, the price exceeded my expectations and it would be good if it stays there for some time of course ;-) But not because of my wallet.. I plan to make a documentary about how are the tubes made. I wanted to shoot it myself, but I have no time to do it.. So, I will hire a freelancer to shoot the documentary and cover the expenses from income from the tubes. Thank You! Dalibor 2015-02-12 17:49 GMT+01:00 gregebert gregeb...@hotmail.com: Ebay auction for 6 of Dalibor's tubes closed at $1397 (US) so supply/demand market forces are going to keep these beauties out of reach from the rest of us for awhile, and hopefully long enough that he can recover the time and money he's invested getting this far. Congratulations are definitely in-order and well-deserved, Dalibor. Someday I will bid on 4 of them.I just need to figure out how much I'm willing to shell-out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/neonixie-l/9a5d2ICHZA8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/ab7d5f89-7669-4423-9814-b65dd464d3b1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Dalibor Farny phone: +420 724 321 571 http://www.daliborfarny.com FB: https://www.facebook.com/daliborfarnycom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CA%2BnkT5rNVRmVEwEzfuzzVhJGzuxYqwbLkaFBh%3D9sEnnASWL%3DUQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
On Friday, 13 February 2015 14:12:21 UTC, Dalibor wrote: ...As for the auction, the price exceeded my expectations and it would be good if it stays there for some time of course ;-) Hey - you deserve every last cent you can get - you've got several of us interested in the possibility of having a go, re-discovered and implemented the technology, and have produced wonderful work !! Cheers Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f71ffc1f-9dd6-4841-a169-8beebef56ea4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Thanks guys, I am just grateful to community for helping me with the start and so.. I want to pay back for it, and showing what I've discovered might be good idea.. Regards, Dalibor 2015-02-13 18:25 GMT+01:00 jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de: Well put, Nick, I completely agree! Jens Nick n...@desmith.net hat am 13. Februar 2015 um 16:29 geschrieben: On Friday, 13 February 2015 14:12:21 UTC, Dalibor wrote: ...As for the auction, the price exceeded my expectations and it would be good if it stays there for some time of course ;-) Hey - you deserve every last cent you can get - you've got several of us interested in the possibility of having a go, re-discovered and implemented the technology, and have produced wonderful work !! Cheers Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f71ffc1f-9dd6-4841-a169-8beebef56ea4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/neonixie-l/9a5d2ICHZA8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/618068828.574825.1423848348636.JavaMail.open-xchange%40oxbaltgw08.schlund.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Dalibor Farny phone: +420 724 321 571 http://www.daliborfarny.com FB: https://www.facebook.com/daliborfarnycom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CA%2BnkT5pHyDsA2ugUMtxwKORdmiEES0XT43arTq2Quad_5XWptw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
It is your money, but I feel like you might be limiting your future willingness to continue making nixie tubes for others by continuing to subsidize the costs (parts + labor) using your gratefulness to the community. Granted, you may never be able to cover all of your labor costs, so this will likely remain a hobby, but if other people are willing to throw money towards a nixie tube documentary, then they should be able to. Then, hopefully, you will let the community enjoy the fruits of your hobby for a little bit longer. If you have the money for the video, then spending it as you see fit is going to be a lot easier than dealing with the general public via a crowd funding campaign. Putting up a donation page after a person watches the video is the least time consuming way to get compensated if all you count is the time spent on potential obligations and refunds. But asking for it beforehand might motivate people more and take advantage of the wide audience that some of these crowd funding sites have. In other words, there might be an opportunity to get more people interested in this viscerally gratifying display technology. To keep this technology alive, it would be advantageous to keep the community size stable or growing. My intention is not to convince you to do anything, but just to put this information out there. Kickstarter would be perfect for raising funds for a documentary. It focuses more on the arts than any other crowd funding site that I know of. The audience there generally expects entertainment, but a howto video might work there. The only problem with it is that it only offers all or nothing funding with an unlimited donation total and a strict deadline for when those donations have to be made. Indiegogo is a little better in that it offers extensions to deadlines when it makes sense to extend the deadline. It also offers flexible funding, which is useful if your project will go ahead regardless of the amount donated. Just to contrast the use of crowd funding: For hardware with multiple quantities, Kickstarter is the worst. Indiegogo is okay, but there are other crowd funding sites that specialize in hardware projects that plan on being sold after the fundraising period ends. crowdsupply.com allows pre-orders after the fundraising period ends and can become a regular store when items are in stock. This is great for ensuring cash flow between the different stages of product development and keeps you from getting distracted from running your own store front. Tindie does not deal with funding, but it is a store for hobbyists. People sell kits, finished products, and excess inventory of component parts. There are already a few people selling nixie stuff there, which many of you may already be familiar with. Although eBay does reach a wider audience. I am generally less hesitant to order from places like eBay and Amazon than small e-commerce sites unless I am more familiar with the company. Etsy has a good homemade crafts audience, which seems like a good fit for selling unique homemade nixie crafts. Anyway, I apologize for the lengthy e-mail. Congratulations on the auction! I was hoping that it would exceed the prices of the Z568M tubes given that these a fresh tubes with a warranty. Of course, the Z568M market may be a little saturated at the moment. Maybe after you get your video out and people start discussing it, you may do even better in your auctions! On 02/13/2015 02:41 PM, Dalibor Farný wrote: Thanks guys, I am just grateful to community for helping me with the start and so.. I want to pay back for it, and showing what I've discovered might be good idea.. Regards, Dalibor 2015-02-13 18:25 GMT+01:00 jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de: Well put, Nick, I completely agree! Jens Nick n...@desmith.net hat am 13. Februar 2015 um 16:29 geschrieben: On Friday, 13 February 2015 14:12:21 UTC, Dalibor wrote: ...As for the auction, the price exceeded my expectations and it would be good if it stays there for some time of course ;-) Hey - you deserve every last cent you can get - you've got several of us interested in the possibility of having a go, re-discovered and implemented the technology, and have produced wonderful work !! Cheers Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f71ffc1f-9dd6-4841-a169-8beebef56ea4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Maybe I am missing something when it comes to the way this works, but, when it is not a vacuum as is required for a valve/tube then what about the idea of pump a bit, add some of the eventual gas, pump again etc. The original impurities would distribute 'evenly' through the added gas and when it was pumped out a percentage of that older pollutant would be removed again. Thus it seems to me that a quite 'feeble' pump can do the job when the eventual fill is a gas [even if at a lowish pressure]. John K Australia - Original Message - From: Nick To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M None of this seems really necessary - the research I've been doing implies that 1 micron (10-3 Torr) is enough for a pump-down and that should be achieved in just a few minutes. I can see the need, just maybe, for a TM pump if working on an industrial scale (or if someone gives you one!), but assuming at best I need 10-4 to 10-5 Torr, I'll stick with a fairly normal molecular diffusion pump and suitable multi-stage backing. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/167d94e8-fdc6-4a2b-ad2d-116490dbc1b3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/8134E1BA08664F5C967A42639C806DFE%40compunet4f9da9. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
On Thursday, 12 February 2015 14:20:39 UTC, johnk wrote: Maybe I am missing something when it comes to the way this works, but, when it is not a vacuum as is required for a valve/tube then what about the idea of pump a bit, add some of the eventual gas, pump again etc. The original impurities would distribute 'evenly' through the added gas and when it was pumped out a percentage of that older pollutant would be removed again. Thus it seems to me that a quite 'feeble' pump can do the job when the eventual fill is a gas [even if at a lowish pressure] There are many issues involved in making tubes, and getting the right pressure and gas mix is just a small part. The glass, and all the other mechanical components, contain impurities that have to be removed during manufacture else they will taint the behaviour and life-span of the finished tube. Impurities are found in all components, - moisture and other organic and non-organic contaminants will even embed in the glass walls and survive the initial chemical cleaning phases - these contaminants have to be baked out under a decent vacuum, typically around 1 micron (10-3 Torr) which is about 1/750,000 of an atmosphere. Whilst this sounds like a high vacuum, its actually pretty easy to obtain with straight-forward kit. A TM pump is distinctly over-kill (several orders of magnitude better), but, hey, if you have one, then flaunt it baby! (slight paraphrase there from Zero Mostel!). Even small levels of contaminants will cause quality problems.To avoid this, the tube is baked (various techniques exist for this) to release the contaminants whilst being pumped to about 10-3 Torr - the pumps remove almost all the cr*p. Then the pumps are sealed off and an amount of the highly pure nobel gas being used is let back in - in the case of nixies, this will be about 99% neon and 1% argon at a pressure of about 30 Torr - about 1/25th of atmospheric pressure - and the tubulation is sealed. The above is a very simple explanation - it does not explain about induction heating or Bombardment or how mercury is introduced etc. but the principles are the same. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/2ca373d4-057b-4fe8-a743-986d7af21c6e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
In theory that would work if impurities were only gases, but many impurities are not gaseous and require heat to be released from the glass and metal surfaces. I've seen methods described where neon tubes are heated and gas is passed from one end to the other to remove impurities with bombarding. The reason I never got into neon art was the bombarding process (cooking-out impurities with high-voltage @ lethal current) is too dangerous for my taste. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/c65428ac-4f74-4979-a528-602d1347b9e3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Ebay auction for 6 of Dalibor's tubes closed at $1397 (US) so supply/demand market forces are going to keep these beauties out of reach from the rest of us for awhile, and hopefully long enough that he can recover the time and money he's invested getting this far. Congratulations are definitely in-order and well-deserved, Dalibor. Someday I will bid on 4 of them.I just need to figure out how much I'm willing to shell-out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/ab7d5f89-7669-4423-9814-b65dd464d3b1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Nick: Hi, I use TM because I was lucky to get few for reasonable price from local bancrupted research company, together with all the accessories. Diff pump are much cheaper, they need practically no maintenance (when used right way), but they it takes much longer time to start it up and also the cool down. TM is more flexible in this way and saves a lot of time, especially during development. And TM pump also provides oil-free operation, which is good, but essential matter in nixie tube making. TM pumps are noisy beasts, but they really do manage excellent volume at low pressure. Maintenance is pretty simple, just lube the gears every few months I think. Their monstrous capacity (I used to work with a small one that could manage 1200 liters per second) lets you get 10E-6 torr fairly quickly with a small enclosure and not a lot of special effort. With a little effort, some time, and maybe an ion pump or two to help, you can get 10E-8 torr. I got tired of the constant noise, so I built a box to cover ours out of acoustical tile. It helped a lot. The thing was quieter after it got lubricated too, so I'd do it 3-4x a year instead of 2. - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/587DBF56-5A4A-4592-A90C-1003A902C1B4%40mac.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
None of this seems really necessary - the research I've been doing implies that 1 micron (10-3 Torr) is enough for a pump-down and that should be achieved in just a few minutes. I can see the need, just maybe, for a TM pump if working on an industrial scale (or if someone gives you one!), but assuming at best I need 10-4 to 10-5 Torr, I'll stick with a fairly normal molecular diffusion pump and suitable multi-stage backing. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/167d94e8-fdc6-4a2b-ad2d-116490dbc1b3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[neonixie-l] Dalibor's Nixie tube: R|Z568M
Hi folks, find some pictures and details on Dalibor's R|Z568M on my website: http://www.jb-electronics.de/html/elektronik/nixies/n_rz568m.htm?lang=en It is an amazing tube, and it is of remarkable quality. Currently, Dalibor has listed an auction for six of them (with brushed aluminum base) on Ebay #271765099601, 4 days left and at $495. Let's see... Enjoy Jens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/54D6610E.6020104%40jb-electronics.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
