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2012-02-10 Thread Tomislav Kordaso
Jumping into Hg wagon, here's my story. During my apprenticeship I noticed the small glass jar of mercury salvaged from old manometers. Marveling metal properties, my mentor took the soldering iron and molt a drop of solder with mercury. Resulting lump of metal had interesting properties: dull

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2012-02-09 Thread dr pepper
They still put mercury in glass envelopes, there are several hundred here where I work. In the light fittings, 2 types high pressure and low pressure mercury. and HID and metal halide. Mercury is also present in reasonable quantity in fluorescent tubes, of which there are millions all around us.

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2012-02-09 Thread jb-electronics
During my Nixie tube project mercury will be a good solution for prolonging the tubes' lives. When I merely mentioned the possibility while talking to our facility manager, he wouldn't want to listen to me anymore, and I had to assure that I would not tinker with mercury in their rooms...

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2012-02-09 Thread marcin
Personally I think that the whole mercury craziness is plain stupid. But well, people were made to believe that some plants are evil. What if you tried to do it as The Ancient Nixie Makers would do: Use a tiny mercury giver tube. Maybe it would be possible to find them in the 'former USSR'? Or

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2012-02-09 Thread marcin
You mean that if they were 1mx1mx1m with 1m3 of mercury it would be fine? World is weirder than I thought... I would just use them not telling anybody what's in those tiny, tiny tubes. Or tell them it's getter. Then you crack those tubes open in some other location. And you are not exposing

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2012-02-09 Thread jb-electronics
Sure, 1m^3 would be fine ;-) Don't worry, in that case other rules will kick in... Jens You mean that if they were 1mx1mx1m with 1m3 of mercury it would be fine? World is weirder than I thought... I would just use them not telling anybody what's in those tiny, tiny tubes. Or tell them it's

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2012-02-09 Thread Lucky
So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling Hate to admit it, I was one of those boys. I was 'hero' of the class for a short term when I showed them that trick lol, our class was banned from having

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2012-02-09 Thread Nick
On Feb 9, 1:05 pm, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote: So lots of schoolboys would break open a thermometer and coat the ha'penny with the mercury to make it silver and pass it off as a shilling Hate to admit it, I was one of those boys. I was 'hero' of the class for a short term when I

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2012-02-09 Thread Nicholas Stock
Nick, we used to do the same with the trainssmall pennies or pieces of granite from the sidings...fun times. As a practicing chemist, I understand the hazards with dealing with toxic substances, but some of this has got out of hand. Mercury salts are the ones to truly be worried about, and

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2012-02-09 Thread Nick
On Feb 9, 4:02 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, we used to do the same with the trainssmall pennies or pieces of granite from the sidings...fun times. As a practicing chemist, I understand the hazards with dealing with toxic substances, but some of this has got out of

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2012-02-09 Thread Adam Jacobs
That's what I was thinking, it was my understanding that elemental mercury is not all _that_ readily absorbable by the body. The kind that you need to worry about is the sort that has already been absorbed by a body (like a fish) and so is in a form that your body will happily accept.. and

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2012-02-09 Thread chuck richards
nothing. Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb

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2012-02-09 Thread Michail1
That explains a lot about you Chuck. JK. I remember when I was a kid (much like now), I used to work at Radio Shack. I remember the mercury filled switches being sold. Strangely, the same as the switches in your old house thermostat. I thought they were very cool because you also saw

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2012-02-09 Thread Adam Jacobs
There is no way he'll get anywhere with this in court. I think that his legal representation is counting on the small time electronics dealers to settle out of court to avoid the legal costs. It's sad, the threat of suing someone in this country is almost like extortion to most people. -Adam

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2012-02-09 Thread Bill van Dijk
talking about again?? J Bill From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of micha...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 3:29 PM To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... That explains a lot about you

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2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry

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2012-02-09 Thread Dan Hollis
are freaking out about nothing.   Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012

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2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
¿½ Such is the case though about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012

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2012-02-09 Thread Adam Jacobs
about lots of things now, so it's no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I

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2012-02-09 Thread Dan Hollis
Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar

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2012-02-09 Thread Instrument Resources of America
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run

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2012-02-09 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 12-02-09 11:02 AM, Nicholas Stock wrote: We used benzene at school, made aspirin on the bench, threw lumps of sodium in water (with one classroom evacuation as a result...got a bit frisky that one...)I imagine /none/ of that would be allowed these days Grade 9, about 1968, the

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2012-02-09 Thread Instrument Resources of America
no real big surprise. Chuck Original Message From: nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Class action lawsuit... Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:42:06 + On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each

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2012-02-09 Thread Cobra007
Nice one Lucky. A couple of years we visited Old Mogo Town http://www.oldmogotown.com.au/ The gold was extracted from the rocks exactly how you describe it. I also raised the question there about the mercury used. According to the guide, they did know at that time already that mercury wasn't good

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2012-02-09 Thread Lucky
Visited a place just like that but in Victoria in the 70's, remember we went panning for opals, I found one and has a ring made from it and gave it to a girlfriend. Good ol days lol.(Back over in march for 6 weeks, Perth and Brisbane) Back on topic I wonder if any of those workers suffered ill

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2012-02-08 Thread Nick
On Feb 8, 6:29 pm, Adam Jacobs a...@jacobs.us wrote: A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone,

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2012-02-08 Thread Jeff Thomas
On Feb 8, 11:11 am, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote: There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves, specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are mentioned. No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of

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2012-02-08 Thread Nicholas Stock
What's his basis for the exposure? He's breaking all the tubes and inhaling the vapour? Does the US have any vexatious litigation laws? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 8, 11:11 am, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote: There's a class action law suit

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2012-02-08 Thread Jeff Thomas
On Feb 8, 4:15 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: What's his basis for the exposure? He's breaking all the tubes and inhaling the vapour? Does the US have any vexatious litigation laws? That has been the primary question circulating on the forums. He's an tech, and worked with

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2012-02-08 Thread Adam Jacobs
Honestly, this sounds to me like the guy's managed to find an ambulance-chasing law firm that will do the job for a percentage of the inevitable settlement. The thinking being that if you shake the whole tree, some apples will fall down. You're welcome to sue anybody you like in this country

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2012-02-08 Thread Adam Jacobs
Holy cow, I just clicked that link. If he's 21 and his resting pulse is 150, his problem isn't mercury poisoning... It's probably chronic refusal to exercise! He talks about high horsepower blood pressure meds and beta blockers, that is not normal stuff for someone so young. I think he should

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2012-02-08 Thread figureloop
On Feb 8, 10:11 am, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote: There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves, specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are mentioned. No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of

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2012-02-08 Thread Cobra007
Very interesting. They used to use bucket loads of mercury for gold mining, I can imagine that being over the legal limit, but a few vacuum tubes? If you still use PbSn based solder, can you sue the seller for lead poisoning? Wonder how this will end. Michel On Feb 9, 2:06 pm, figureloop

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2012-02-08 Thread Terry Kennedy
On Feb 8, 10:31 pm, Cobra007 mic...@xiac.com wrote: Very interesting. They used to use bucket loads of mercury for gold mining, I can imagine that being over the legal limit, but a few vacuum tubes? If you still use PbSn based solder, can you sue the seller for lead poisoning? When I was a

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2012-02-08 Thread dr pepper
About the comments further up about what people 'should' be able to do. Its my opinion that at least here in the uk, there is a rot, esp for younger people. To be honest I dont think they could even change a diaper, everyone thinks that everyone else 'ows' them something and gets all screwed up

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2012-02-08 Thread Cobra007
I was just thinking, if anyone ever got mercury poisoning from vacuum tubes, it should have been Jimi Hendrix :-) Or was there no mercury in those old tubes? Michel On Feb 9, 4:04 pm, Terry Kennedy terry+googleb...@tmk.com wrote: On Feb 8, 10:31 pm, Cobra007 mic...@xiac.com wrote: Very

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2012-02-08 Thread Quixotic Nixotic
On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:04, Terry Kennedy wrote: When I was a kid in elementary school, each year the science teacher would pull out the jar of mercury and pour it into a shallow pan, and we'd all run our fingers through it and marvel at how something so heavy could be a liquid. In the UK,