Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-21 Thread Ryo ONODERA
Hi, From: Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org, Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 22:31:13 +0530 On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 08:47:53PM +0900, Ryo ONODERA wrote: Have you tried mlterm-fb and sixel format? Of course you cannot directly display JPEG/PNG format files... That is interesting. What tools do you use to

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-21 Thread Ryo ONODERA
From: David Brownlee a...@absd.org, Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:41:39 + On 17 February 2015 at 13:24, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 01:29:11PM +0100, Stephan wrote: Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop? I use NetBSD on desktops and

Re: Why don't I get vesa command at boot prompt [Was NetBSD for the dekstop]

2015-02-21 Thread Mayuresh
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 09:50:00PM +0530, Mayuresh wrote: On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 07:57:19PM +0530, Mayuresh wrote: Is the /boot a right version? I am not sure which set it belongs to. I have not done full install for years and if /boot is not in one of the sets I install it might be older.

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-21 Thread Mayuresh
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 08:47:53PM +0900, Ryo ONODERA wrote: Have you tried mlterm-fb and sixel format? Of course you cannot directly display JPEG/PNG format files... That is interesting. What tools do you use to convert to sixel? Also wonder, w3m that can render graphics on X terminal can

Re: Why don't I get vesa command at boot prompt [Was NetBSD for the dekstop]

2015-02-21 Thread Mayuresh
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:14:13AM +, atomicules wrote: I'd like to try out framebuffer. I went to boot prompt to list vesa modes, though vesa list doesn't work there. Help menu does not show vesa command. This is 6.1 GENERIC kernel on i386. Tried this on a fairly recent Dell laptop.

Re: Why don't I get vesa command at boot prompt [Was NetBSD for the dekstop]

2015-02-21 Thread Mayuresh
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 04:36:22PM +0530, Mayuresh wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 01:35:38PM +, atomicules wrote: bothering with X and just using the framebuffer thanks to mlterm-fb; I'd like to try out framebuffer. I went to boot prompt to list vesa modes, though vesa list doesn't work

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Stephan wrote: I´m not the first one with this idea and there was a project called cosmoe which had the goal of porting the Haiku userland to a Posix kernel (well, actually, Linux). BeOS/Haiku has some own IPC primitives (ports and messages for instance) which are unknown to Posix. Cosmoe

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-19 Thread Stephan
Hi folks I´m not sure if everybody has gotten my point I described in mail #9 to this discussion. What I certainly will not do is anything with one of the X based desktop environments. These are the problem and not the solution. I performed some experimentation and I decided to focus on Haiku

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-19 Thread Jukka Marin
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 08:33:56AM +0100, Stephan wrote: I´m not sure if everybody has gotten my point I described in mail #9 to this discussion. What I certainly will not do is anything with one of the X based desktop environments. These are the problem and not the solution. I performed

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-18 Thread Jaap Boender
On 18/02/2015 17:42, Dave Tyson wrote: Hi Jaap, thanks for the info. Guess its time to have another go! What video card are you using? Under 7, it's an Intel Ivy Bridge, which works all right (if you use AccelMethod SNA - see the 7.0_BETA on Ivy Bridge thread on tech-x11 about a month ago);

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-18 Thread Anthony Aicardi
If you installed Debian stable Wheezy then you won't have systemd. Testing Jessie systmd is installed by default. -- anthony aicardi Mobile: 469 688 3495 http://aicardi.net On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:29:54PM +0100, Christoph

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Jukka Marin wrote: I was never able to get any browser running on NetBSD to properly run flash and other hideous things which are required these days. The browsers were pretty old versions, too. Maybe things have got better now, don't know. true. No Flash. But to be honest, I had such

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Stephan wrote: Hi! Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop? Why still? I use it as a desktop. I have it running on two laptops, sparcstations, mini-pcs, etc I use for everything GNUstep applications (GWorkspace, GSPdf, Zipper, Ink, LaternaMagica... etc etc)

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-18 Thread Francisco Valladolid H.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Stephan stephan...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi! Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop? NetBSD work fine for Desktop use, example: LibreOffice, Firefox, KDE, Gnome, dwm, fluxbox, openbox, mplayer, etc. Some things maybe don't work

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-18 Thread Michael van Elst
thor0...@comcast.net (William D. Jones) writes: 2a. Does driver support exist so I'm not using 1024x768 on a 1600x900 screen? Can anyone else verify that NetBSD 7 passes all two (three) criteria? That obviously depends on what driver is needed to support your hardware. If the hardware is

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Andy Ball
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Stephan wrote: Hello Stephan, Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop? Are you able to be more specific? I'm typing this on my primary work desktop, which runs NetBSD/i386 6.1.5. I also have a desktop PC at home that runs NetBSD/amd64

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
Stephan wrote: Hi! Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop? By NetBSD on desktop I understand to have: 1. A choice of using full featured main modern DE: KDE4, Gnome3 and their relatives like MATE. 2. Stable DRM (X Window), slacking USB cable not panicking the

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Mayuresh
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:14:34PM +0200, Jukka Marin wrote: I was never able to get any browser running on NetBSD to properly run flash and other hideous things which are required these days. The browsers were pretty old versions, too. Maybe things have got better now, don't know. Yes, the

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Andy Ruhl
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Stephan stephan...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi! Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop? It's already there, but I think I get your point. My lightweight desktop OS of choice on older hardware is grudgingly Lubuntu. I'm not a fan of

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Jimmy Johansson
On 02/17/15 04:46 PM, BERTRAND Joël wrote: Mayuresh a écrit : On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:29:54PM +0100, Christoph Kaegi wrote: I've been a happy camper since then, although the anouncement of the switch to systemd makes me shiver! What :-(? Recently installed debian and it did not have

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Jukka Marin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 06:54:22PM +0530, Mayuresh wrote: I use NetBSD on desktops and laptops. What specific characteristics do you think NetBSD needs to bring it to desktop? (Also, I didn't get still part of it.) Lack of modern, working web browsers was the main reason for me to switch to

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Mayuresh
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 03:45:42PM +0200, Jukka Marin wrote: What specific characteristics do you think NetBSD needs to bring it to desktop? (Also, I didn't get still part of it.) Lack of modern, working web browsers was the main reason for me to switch to an other os in desktop use.

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread BERTRAND Joël
Mayuresh a écrit : On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:29:54PM +0100, Christoph Kaegi wrote: I've been a happy camper since then, although the anouncement of the switch to systemd makes me shiver! What :-(? Recently installed debian and it did not have default systemd. May be this is very recent

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread atomicules
To join in, I also use NetBSD on the desktop. I've had about a year using the dwm window manager, but I'm now spending most of my time not even bothering with X and just using the framebuffer thanks to mlterm-fb; however, I guess this probably no longer counts as desktop as far as most are

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Mayuresh
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 01:29:11PM +0100, Stephan wrote: Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop? I use NetBSD on desktops and laptops. What specific characteristics do you think NetBSD needs to bring it to desktop? (Also, I didn't get still part of it.) Mayuresh

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Mayuresh
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 01:35:38PM +, atomicules wrote: To join in, I also use NetBSD on the desktop. I've had about a year using the dwm window manager, but I'm now spending most of my time not even bothering with X and just using the framebuffer thanks to mlterm-fb; however, I guess this

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread herbert langhans
I use NetBSD since many years on my servers and laptops. It works especially well on the older Thinkpads. NetBSD compensates the slow processor and little RAM I have in these Thinkpads. NetBSD 5.1.2 with X11 and Fluxbox works great and takes only few ressources. Though I am not happy with the

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Stephan
I think there are basically 2 types of open source OSses, those that are designed for the desktop and those that are not. The first case is for example Syllable and Haiku OS. Syllable is not actively maintained anymore and it is far from stable. Haiku is in a pretty good shape but but it is not

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Jukka Marin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 07:33:14PM +0530, Mayuresh wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 03:45:42PM +0200, Jukka Marin wrote: What specific characteristics do you think NetBSD needs to bring it to desktop? (Also, I didn't get still part of it.) Lack of modern, working web browsers was the

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Christoph Kaegi
On 17.02-15:45, Jukka Marin wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 06:54:22PM +0530, Mayuresh wrote: I use NetBSD on desktops and laptops. What specific characteristics do you think NetBSD needs to bring it to desktop? (Also, I didn't get still part of it.) Lack of

NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread Stephan
Hi! Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop?

Re: NetBSD for the dekstop

2015-02-17 Thread BERTRAND Joël
Stephan a écrit : Hi! Is there anyone still interested in bringing NetBSD to the desktop? Hello, I run NetBSD on desktop also (mainly sparc/sparc64 and AXP). Regards, JKB